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PurpleKush
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border security
#5961953 - 08/14/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you think we need a fence? why or why not?
how do you feel about this orginization? http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/
i signed the petition, and im really considering going to volunteer for at least a week. im tired of not doing anything about this problem.
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Fractalated
There's no onehome up there...

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Re: border security [Re: PurpleKush]
#5962040 - 08/14/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes! Let's prevent those Mexicans from getting in and taking cheap and dirty jobs that we either don't want or are too lazy to do ourselves so that they can support their families and our society can become more productive.
We certainly wouldn't want any of that.
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PurpleKush
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how do they help our society become more productive when they're not even interested in becoming part of our society? all other immigrant waves have adapted to American ways of life, this wave of illegal aliens only encourages their children to speak spanish and support mexico. children who are born into a CRIMINAL lifestyle are just going to follow their parents. they're not going to respect any laws if their parents cant teach them how to function in our society.
when america's main language becomes spanish and our economy turns to shit you might change your mind, but itll be too late. they're going to take this country away just because of sheer numbers.
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delta9
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Re: border security [Re: PurpleKush]
#5962628 - 08/14/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know someone on border patrol that got shot with a beebee gun by some mexican.
Silly mexicans!
Illegal immigrants are great for grunt work, especially for putting up fences. I know there's a lot of fences in California that were built for just $20 a day in illegal labor costs... We just gotta get them to build a much bigger fence, and make sure they paint their side last.
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moosehead
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Re: border security [Re: PurpleKush]
#5962636 - 08/14/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think we need a trench.
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Hank, FTW
Looking for the Answer

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Re: border security [Re: PurpleKush]
#5962716 - 08/14/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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When the American economy starts to decline(due to in part of these illegals) you will be wishing they were not here, flooding the worker pool. Not to mention the drain they put on social services, almost no illegals pay taxes, yet receive government services and health care.
This question seems all to obvious to me.
No you don't need a fence, you need a fucking 50 foot wall, 10 feet thick, and 20 feet underground. With a guard tower every 10 miles or so.
Just my humble opinion, from Canada.
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daimyo
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Re: border security [Re: PurpleKush]
#5962727 - 08/14/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Round up the ones that are here and send them back while building guard towers every couple miles. Let the National Guard man the posts with orders to shoot on sight.
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USMCamputee
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Re: border security [Re: daimyo]
#5962783 - 08/14/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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They should have two choices once they arrive on our soil. Serve in the Army or Marines. Infantry only, no other MOS allowed. Or, they should be shot. Period, no other choice in the matter. English must become their language, taxes must be paid, and no free rides should be allowed.
How it will actually work out: BIG BUSINESS WANTS TO KEEP THEM IN THE GREY. They can continue to pay them low wages, avoid benefits and thus increase their profit margins. It will destroy our economy, and begin the seperation of the two classes. Since they have every politician bought and paid for, our voice is lost.
Having said that, this country was built on dissent. If you have a problem with our government you have EVERY RIGHT to pick up a weapon and CHANGE IT.
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blissedout


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Re: border security [Re: delta9]
#5962797 - 08/14/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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delta9 said: I know someone on border patrol that got shot with a beebee gun by some mexican.
Silly mexicans!

Delta 9!! I was thinking about you a few days ago! How are things? You still in the bay area?
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albino_shroom
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Re: border security [Re: blissedout]
#5962865 - 08/14/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think automated machine gun torrents are the way to go.
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chubbycharley
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machine gun TORRENTS ? how will they fit through your internet connection?
but seriously, we need to do away with borders. and governments for that matter.
"No you don't need a fence, you need a fucking 50 foot wall, 10 feet thick, and 20 feet underground. With a guard tower every 10 miles or so. "
"Round up the ones that are here and send them back while building guard towers every couple miles. Let the National Guard man the posts with orders to shoot on sight."
COMMUNIST SCUM!!! (that's what the Russians did in Berlin, remember? did that work out?)
damn, i thought people at the shroomery were smarter than this. those illegals are just as human as you, they come from the same energy, the same source as we do. there is only one difference between them and us. false nationality. why can't people be allowed to live where they want without having to have the permission of the fucking government if they pay for the land? without being persecuted for the place they were born (which is earth btw)?
don't you realize that tighter border security to keep them from getting in also makes it harder for us to get out?
to me, it looks like Nazi Germany and you people supporting these Nazis we "elected" look just like the people of Germany who now carry great shame for what they let happen.
to slow the flow of illegals, we don't need to try and keep them out by force, that's never good. why do they come here in the first place? people hire them. go after the employers who hire them and they will realize soon enough that there is no work for them here.
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daimyo
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People that don't support your vision = Communists America = Nazi Germany Do away with borders and government Illegals are from the same "energy" as everyone else?
You oughta take a break from drugs. You sound like some sort of liberal hippie. You know, the ones that always get poked fun at for being whacked out their skulls and coming up with cooky ideas that have no basis in reality
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chubbycharley
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Re: border security [Re: daimyo]
#5966833 - 08/15/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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-that communism thing was meant to be a little sarcastic while pointing out the fallacy of the ideas quoted.
-Nazi America is here. and it has been here ever sense we brought nazis into america to help us beat the russians in our little space/arms race (the cold war) after we dismantled the nazi empire. we may not end up rounding up the jews but our equivalent is terrorists. or so called terrorists who are "threatening national security" which, btw has a very loose definition thanks to things like the Patriot Act.
-do you deny that the universe is all energy? everything is equal, it's all made of deferent arrangements of atoms that carry the same potential. mexicans are made of atoms too. and to deny them a fair chance at life because they don't want to pay the lying, cheating, stealing, government does no good for human kind and the preservation of the species.
-cooky ideas? like going after the employers with no respect for the law who give the illegal mexicans jobs (and their reason for coming) in the first place?
ignorance really is bliss isn't it?
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ZippoZ
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Re: border security [Re: Hank, FTW]
#5966936 - 08/15/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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alpharedecho said: When the American economy starts to decline(due to in part of these illegals) you will be wishing they were not here, flooding the worker pool. Not to mention the drain they put on social services, almost no illegals pay taxes, yet receive government services and health care.
This question seems all to obvious to me.
No you don't need a fence, you need a fucking 50 foot wall, 10 feet thick, and 20 feet underground. With a guard tower every 10 miles or so.
Just my humble opinion, from Canada.
WRONG
as a matter of fact, the illegal imimigrantts are the backbone of the american economy like it or not. if we were to deport all if the illegals (13 million some) the american economy would collapse. this is because these illegals are doing work for cheap.
if we were to replace every illegal, and their low pay, with someone making as little as minimum wage, the difference in price would literally sink the american economy overnight.
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Terrapin77
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Fractalated said: Yes! Let's prevent those Mexicans from getting in and taking cheap and dirty jobs that we either don't want or are too lazy to do ourselves so that they can support their families and our society can become more productive.
We certainly wouldn't want any of that.
I think we should tkae it even one step further and put up a huge ass fence around the complete perimeter of the US and then seal us off with a hug glass top reinforced with steele so we do get no more of them dirty foreigners infiltratin our beloved country ........
BULLSHIT.
They deserve just as good a life as we do. Or atleast the chance to make a better life for their families. 
This wasn't directed at anyone on here, BTW.
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Prisoner#1
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Fractalated said: Yes! Let's prevent those Mexicans from getting in and taking cheap and dirty jobs that we either don't want or are too lazy to do ourselves so that they can support their families and our society can become more productive.
We certainly wouldn't want any of that.
there are 30 million illegals from many countries within the the US borders, only about 12 million have jobs (these figures dont include children born in the US of illegal parents), that leaves 18 million that are unemployed, of those 18 million we will just assume that only 4 million are adults, where are they recieving their income? How do they survive?
lets say half of those are dealing drugs since mosthere dont view it as a crime, we'll call drug dealing an under the table job. where are the remaining 2 million getting money? well, lets say that half of that 2 million are women being supported by thir husbands, that leaves 1,000,000 people sucking on the welfare tit, collecting SSI and otherwise sucking up the tax dollars we pay in
so lets now figure it up, 1 million people recieving an average of $400 a month thats 400,000,000 per month, thats 4800,000,000 per year that isnt going to the people in the US that need these funds to feed their kids or provide them healthcare, care they'll need due to the illegals reintroducing diseases like polio, small pox, yellow fever and chagas to this population.
you say they do the work that no one else wants to do yet theres millions of tons of produce that rot in the fields because 18million non-picking non-working illegals are not doing the jobs that americans would do if it wasnt for the wage thats stagnated for 20 years due to the influx of illegals that have been seeking amnesty, I've done the very same sort of work over the years and havent seen the labor rates rise, just the number of illegals taking the jobs for less money
I constantly hear about how they've come here to make a better life for their families, while in fact, this 'invasion' has made it harder for mine, if life is so bad in the country they love, why dont those 30 million return and make a change to make life better for everone in mexico
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Prisoner#1
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Re: border security [Re: ZippoZ]
#5967065 - 08/15/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zippoz said: WRONG as a matter of fact, the illegal imimigrantts are the backbone of the american economy like it or not. if we were to deport all if the illegals (13 million some) the american economy would collapse. this is because these illegals are doing work for cheap.
you're wrong, I live in a state with the 3rd largest hispanic population, where was our economy before the illegals influx, much better than it is now, the average family needed only one member working, if the other worked it was a choice, not a neccisity, read up on the news, those little guys dont work that cheap
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Prisoner#1
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Re: border security [Re: Terrapin77]
#5967075 - 08/15/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Terrapin77 said: They deserve just as good a life as we do. Or atleast the chance to make a better life for their families.
yes, yes they do but should the american people be pushed asside and make to live in poverty because of it? what do you think the explanation for the homeless population is attributed to, 70 million people just decided to stop working and live in the streets? illegals work for less, it cuts us out of work because we cant, we dont live 15 to a2 bedroom apartment and split it all.
if they want a better life, they should revolt and take their corrupt government back into their own hands
VIVA Le REVOLUCION!!!
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daimyo
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Re: border security [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5967252 - 08/15/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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chubbycharley said: -that communism thing was meant to be a little sarcastic while pointing out the fallacy of the ideas quoted.
How does a building a fence/wall or rounding up, and deporting, illegal immigrants have anything to do with communist ideals?
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chubbycharley said: we may not end up rounding up the jews but our equivalent is terrorists.
Why shouldn't we round up terrorists?
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chubbycharley said: or so called terrorists who are "threatening national security" which, btw has a very loose definition thanks to things like the Patriot Act.
Cite it.
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chubbycharley said: -do you deny that the universe is all energy? everything is equal, it's all made of deferent arrangements of atoms that carry the same potential.
different*
Prove that all atoms carry the same potential.
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chubbycharley said: mexicans are made of atoms too. and to deny them a fair chance at life because they don't want to pay the lying, cheating, stealing, government does no good for human kind and the preservation of the species.
I don't care about humans. I care about myself and my countrymen. If they, or you, think I/we should foot the bill for their laziness, then that's just fucked.
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chubbycharley said: -cooky ideas? like going after the employers with no respect for the law who give the illegal mexicans jobs (and their reason for coming) in the first place?
I am very much for going after employers of illegals. See my previous posts on this subject if you don't know.
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chubbycharley said: ignorance really is bliss isn't it?
Cheap shots do nothing in the way of supporting your assertions.
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zippoz said: as a matter of fact, the illegal imimigrantts are the backbone of the american economy like it or not.
Bullshit. American workers are the backbone of the American economy. When illegals work for less it does nothing for us as a country. Low prices don't mean a thing in a shithole country(to me anyhow).
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zippoz said: if we were to deport all if the illegals (13 million some) the american economy would collapse. this is because these illegals are doing work for cheap.
No, it's because America has gone from manufacturing country to a service/repair country. Americans are too lazy to make their own shit, and somehow feel entitled to low prices.
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zippoz said: if we were to replace every illegal, and their low pay, with someone making as little as minimum wage, the difference in price would literally sink the american economy overnight.
Nah, it would just make all the "middle class" people realize what they really are; useless pawns. Been working for shit money for over 20 years and now that reality is ready to bitchsmack them they wanna cry.
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Terrapin77 said: They deserve just as good a life as we do. Or atleast the chance to make a better life for their families.
Sure, in their own country.
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