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OfflineMauiGanjaMonster
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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: LedHead]
    #5965186 - 08/15/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I feel like I play my guitar better when I am stoned music just seems to flow while your stoned, and when I am tripping on acid or mushrooms I play good aswell it almost feels like I am not doing anything i just let go,and my fingers have a mind of there own.

I espically love playing while tripping because I love seeing sound waves coming out of my guitar and I love to really feel what I am playing.


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As they walk through my garden and steal my fruit, damn devils in a three piece suit.

yeah they walk through my garden and eat my fruit damn puppets, the boys in blue.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: LedHead]
    #5967733 - 08/15/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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LedHead said:
i feel when im tripping that playing my guitar is like playing god.

*snip!*

it feels like im creating a living entity when i come up with a melody. i guess its cause when you play your literally making something and creating something that wouldnot be there unless u urself made it happen. 

*snip!*

if that makes sense. 




I love your phrasing of your sentiments.  This feels really familiar to me -- musically creating something in the musical dimension, emotion, imagination, vision.  The clearer the creation, the better and clearer the music.  You make living entities?  Fascinating.  I make landscapes.  Think aerial mountains, forests, snowy woods leading to cabins and things.  We should get the two together.

Makes sense to me.  :yinyang:


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: toastandjam]
    #5967798 - 08/15/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I play mostly jazz.

I make little ornaments that I can hang on my wall, or hold in my hand.....

The music I play comes from a very weird place when tripping. SOme drugs work better than others. Mescaline for example Is one drug that makes me worse/less interesting/sloppy from a listeners point of view.

LSD is in my opinion a very musical drug. The audio-visuals lend them selves to some pretty fine works of art.

When tripping, I almost only improvise. I have found god through the guitar. And I mean that. It is sacred to me. I think something divine plays through me while tripping. I say that because its not me playing anymore, its everyone.......(Me you and all other forms of intelligent life).

I connect on a level that is so deep that it would take volumes for me to explain why every word I have said is true. Im sure some others feel the same way.

Pure metaphysics express a form of god through music....

Ya, im pretty serious when it comes to music.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: yageman]
    #5968099 - 08/15/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry for the extra post.

Seriously though........ If Im not at that point of egoless musicianship, I still love to argue with my guitar about everthing under the sun.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: yageman]
    #5971941 - 08/17/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been playing out, making music for a while, and here are my observations:

1. Playing after more than three or four beers, your shit WILL suffer. The first couple get you ready, get you in that social spot, bantering with the audience, a silly smile on your face, ten foot tall and tazer proof. Any more, you'll have fun, but your playing will probably suck.

2. Playing stoned is okay, unless you gotta sing. If you do, your voice goes to shit, trust me. Record yourself and see.
(Or if you get the FEAR when you take more than a couple hits, but this usually only happens to those of us who've eaten too much LSD).

3. For writing purposes, fire up a doob or munch some caps witcha mates. You'll make new connections, go places you hadn't planned, come up with phrasings and rhythms you normally wouldn't. You can break out of patterns easily.

4. For rehearsing and refining what your stoned ass wrote, caffeine works wonders. Everything else, you'll end up with the state-dependent learning effect, which ain't good.

Your first duty is to the audience and yourself, not to your need to be high, so know thyself, know thy instrument, and spread the love that is music.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Derelict]
    #5971942 - 08/17/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Derelict said:
I've been playing out, making music for a while, and here are my observations:

1. Playing after more than three or four beers, your shit WILL suffer. The first couple get you ready, get you in that social spot, bantering with the audience, a silly smile on your face, ten foot tall and tazer proof. Any more, you'll have fun, but your playing will probably suck.

2. Playing stoned is okay, unless you gotta sing. If you do, your voice goes to shit, trust me. Record yourself and see.
(Or if you get the FEAR when you take more than a couple hits, but this usually only happens to those of us who've eaten too much LSD).

3. For writing purposes, fire up a doob or munch some caps witcha mates. You'll make new connections, go places you hadn't planned, come up with phrasings and rhythms you normally wouldn't. You can break out of patterns easily.

4. For rehearsing and refining what your stoned ass wrote, caffeine works wonders. Everything else, you'll end up with the state-dependent learning effect, which ain't good.

Your first duty is to the audience and yourself, not to your need to be high, so know thyself, know thy instrument, and spread the love that is music.




Much of that post annoys me. That shit aint concrete man.....

Some of it makes some sense.

Its just so damn subjective. You would be hard pressed to find someone who would say, "your singing will suffer, trust me" for example.

So I like you, but your experiences are not that important when it comes to categorizing drugs in that way.



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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (08/17/06 06:28 PM)


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: yageman]
    #5972466 - 08/17/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I play for usually atleast 2 hours a day straight. Most always I'm high. I don't have an effects peddle, or a quality amp anymore so I stick to acoustic. I mostly just lay down a 1-6 chord progression then I jam out trying something new on the scale every run through. I plan on purchasing me a new amp and a GNX4 within the next month........ unless I get a banjo instead.

Any guitarists out there mess with digitech's GNX4 much? I use to have the rp6 multi-effects peddle and loved it.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: hippie_cune]
    #5972830 - 08/17/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I love to play guitar when I am altered.  It allows me to feel every single nuance of the instrument.  All the sounds you can get out of one note... It blows my mind. 

A little while back, I was working for this touring Christian band.  We recorded a couple cds, toured a lot, and I made lots of money.  Like almost too much for playing music.

We had set up a few weekends in the studio to get all the guitar and drum tracks recorded.  One of the days, I decided to take acid (without them knowing of course :tongue2:) and divided a hit of super good blotter into 4 pieces, taking a peice every 2 hours starting at 8am.  By 11am I was really high;  A lot higher than I thought I'd get, which was a nice surprise really.

We had been working about 2 hours now, but havent layed down any guitar tracks, only drums.  I am sitting in the booth with the producer and the guy who hired me, tripping quite nicely, and the producer turns to me and says "are you ready?"

I said I was, and I got set up. I remember sitting in this huge isolation box, with amazing woodgrain panels, blue sound matting and my Soldano SLO stack turned way up.  Everything was fucking beautiful. I noticed that it was approaching 12, so once I got set up, I took a smoke break (I smoked back then). I went upstairs, had a smoke, and took another quarter hit of acid. Five minutes later I was back downstairs, and everything was ready to go. 

Everything went so well.  I felt like a superhuman guitar player in my lair, creating sonic dreamscapes for all to see.  It was an amazing experience.  I could see the sound, and I could see it getting sucked into the mike, like water going down a drain.  It looked amazing.  Musical smoke I called it.

It was awesome.  I got the nickname First-Take for one of the songs.  We set up the tracks, and decided to do a testrun to get back into the groove of the song.  My job was to improvise a Pat Metheny kind of light jazz sound over this really cool progression.  We finished the testrun, they said to me "Does that tone work for you?"  And sure enough, after listening back to it, it worked perfectly. 

I took the other hit at 2pm, and recorded straight to 10pm.  It was so much fun. The CD turned out great, and we got signed to this christian label based in Toronto, and funny enough, the ones I was on acid for (the ones I got to write completely) were the only ones that made it the radio.  If the people only knew :grin:

I played some gigs with a few other bands, but the one that I was leading turned out the most amazing stories. Everybody was cool, and we all smoked weed and took mushrooms.  There are far to many stories to write about, so I will spare you the details.  Lets just say that doing acid on stage in front of 500-1000 people is the craziest goddamn thing in the world!    Gotta love Jam Band festivals!  We played a Trippy psychedelic ambient jazzrockfunk fusion.  Its kind of hard to explain.  All improvised with basic skeletons setup to give some flow to the music.  We hired a lighting crew to give us some enhancements.  Nothing fancy but they were trippy as hell, and to be entirely honest, we hired the lightning crew more for us, but everybody seemed to like it. 

Now I teach guitar.  Its fun, but I probably couldnt teach while tripping.  That would be pretty funny though :lol:

Anyways, I have typed enough. 

:heart: Peace :heart:

:hippie:


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5972847 - 08/17/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

On shrooms I can't do anything like guitar. I'm a guitarist tho, I'm an insane freestyler when Im drunk or high lol. Guitar is my passion.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5972858 - 08/17/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Edgekrusher said:
I play for usually atleast 2 hours a day straight. Most always I'm high. I don't have an effects peddle, or a quality amp anymore so I stick to acoustic. I mostly just lay down a 1-6 chord progression then I jam out trying something new on the scale every run through. I plan on purchasing me a new amp and a GNX4 within the next month........ unless I get a banjo instead.

Any guitarists out there mess with digitech's GNX4 much? I use to have the rp6 multi-effects peddle and loved it.




How long have you been playing? You mentioned not having a pedal and an amp anymore-- did you used to? What'd you have\use? If you're not familiar with effects, then yeah, the GNX pedals are great for getting into them and being experimental with your tone and sounds and things. The GNX4 has that 4track recorder built into it. That's where you'll get your kicks and paybacks if you ask me.

The GNX4 is just too much stuff and not enough of what i want for it to be useful to me. I get distracted with all the stuff, useful or not. If I were going to spend a couple hundred dollars on a pedal, I'd save a little more and get something really decent, a roland synth or something.


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PICARD: When I realized the paradox...
Q: Exactly. For that one fraction of a second, you were open to options you'd never considered. That's the exploration that awaits you...not mapping stars and studying nebulae... but charting the unknowable possibilities of existence.

To carry yourself forward and experience myriad things is delusion. That myriad things come forth and experience themselves is awakening. -Dogen Zenji


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: toastandjam]
    #5972907 - 08/17/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't have a lot of experience playing on any drugs, but a couple times I've played along to a CD when I was drunk and I felt much more connected to the music than usual. I felt like I did when I actually played live, on stage. The one time I played stoned, I was also drunk, and I actually turned out a cool version of Paranoid with my brother on drums, and an absolutely shittacular, slow, droning metal song.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: toastandjam]
    #5973399 - 08/17/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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toastandjam said:
How long have you been playing? You mentioned not having a pedal and an amp anymore-- did you used to? What'd you have\use?

If I were going to spend a couple hundred dollars on a pedal, I'd save a little more and get something really decent, a roland synth or something.




I've been playing for 6 years or so, although I've owned an electric strat for 8. Took me awhile to get into it, but I play daily now. Just for the past 2 or 3 years I have really neglected my electric. I pawned off my Digitech RP6 pedal and my amp (Marshall) a few years back since I never played with it.... Loved the damn thing though, and now that cash isn't much of a problem I'm just trying to get back into playing more electric.... as in buying the equipment to make it worth playing.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Derelict]
    #5973698 - 08/17/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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For rehearsing and refining what your stoned ass wrote, caffeine works wonders. Everything else, you'll end up with the state-dependent learning effect, which ain't good




umm wouldn't that make you state-dependent on caffiene for rehearsing and refining?  :smirk:  I love how some drugs are so socially acceptable to some.  Everyone has their own opinon and that's cool though :thumbup:

My observations:

1. Playing stoned, doesn't matter how stoned in my case, WILL make me personally play a lot better.  Drinking more than 8 beers will personally make me play much shittier.

2.  Playing while tripped out will free me of my "writer's block", so to say.  It's very very enjoyable, even if it might sound like crap to an outsider.

3. Keep everything in moderation and you aren't going to be state-dependant on anything.

Listening to music under the influence of certain drugs is amazing, creating music under the influence of certain drugs...priceless  :smirk:


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Spooge]
    #5975764 - 08/18/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yageman, you're right. I should've said "In my experience..." or "these are my personal, subjective observations."

I still stand by the business about smoking bud detracting from vocal tone quality.


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Re: guitar and drugs... [Re: Derelict]
    #5976714 - 08/18/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, I wouldn't know about how it can effect your vocal tone...Even sober...I don't have one  :tongue:

Not a singer, just a guitarist.  I could see how it would though.


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