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Melatonin
    #5958540 - 08/13/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So, if one were to take melatonin a few times a week or something, on a regular basis, would that persons body eventually produce less of its own melatonin and become dependant on the supplement?


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #5961249 - 08/14/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

A friend of mine used to take it regularly and said he built up a tolerance to it. I would imagine your melatonin levels would return to normal after taking a break as long as your not taking rediculous amounts. Follow the recommended dosage advice and you should be fine.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: Frappy]
    #5961256 - 08/14/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

pretty much

i usually use it when i need to reset my sleep system for getting ready for school or something.
and the max i do is 1 week of use then stop.

but i think the last time i did it it was more like i did it for 3 days then stopped.

and you can definitely tell the contrast between trying to sleep with melatonin, then trying to sleep while ceasing use.

it's definitely useful for just a short term recircuiting.

though i think if you just get up at the time that your new sleep cycle allows, and not care if that means if you get 1 hour of sleep in the night, or 12.... then as long as you keep getting up at the same time, you will get tired enough to go to bed at the "right" time pretty quick too, within 3-4 days probably.

but for me, i love going to bed. and don't like getting up. not that i would want to be stuck in a limbo fantasy world for long periods of time, but sleeping feels so good... can you dig it?


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Re: Melatonin [Re: leery11]
    #5963645 - 08/14/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Common symptoms and signs of melatonin deficiency:
insomnia
difficulty getting to sleep
difficulty falling back to sleep when awaken during the night
light sleeper/easy waking during the night
early morning awakening
un-refreshing sleep
lack of dreaming
family history of insomnia
personal or family history of breast cancer
personal or family history of prostate cancer
prostate enlargement
fatigue
depression
irregular menstrual cycle
unusual menstrual flow (light or heavy)
PMS
scoliosis
poor sleeping prior to menses
anxiety
sensitivity to stress
cataracts
neurodegerative disorder (MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, ALS, etc)
elevated cholesterol
high blood pressure
blood clots
heart attack
heart arrhythmias


http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho...%20and%20Sleep

published by the vanderbilt psychology dept.

Melatonin is a new discovery. It has yet to go through the extensive studies which most hormones and other dietary supplements go through. It seems to have many positive effects on the body. Distributors of the drug are making all kinds of unproved claims. Advertisements claim that melatonin enhances your sex life, helps you exhibit more energy and assists you in gaining muscle (http://home.prizim.com/ebfitness/meltr.html). Caution is recommended when taking melatonin. Dr. Wurtman says of melatonin, "These pills are being sold without certification by the Food and Drug Administration, and this worries me terribly." He goes on to say "We've purchased melatonin from some health food stores and checked the purity. These tablets are not pure. People should not take melatonin for the time being except under controlled research conditions." (http://www.vitawirse.com/melatoni.htm). Melatonin is a substance that could be very useful in many treatments once the right research has been done. Many manufacturers are making a lot of money off of people who do not know what they are taking. Melatonin is at a very experimental stage right now.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: browndustin]
    #5963649 - 08/14/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

More random melatonin shit... while I use melatonin, I abstain for at least a month here and there... I'm currently abstaining and trying to sleep naturally. I'll be taking a supplement that has 3-5mg of melatonin so I wanted to take at least a month or two off before I start using it (it's a 30 day supply).

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/73/88877.htm

A new study suggests that melatonin supplements may make asthma symptoms worse in people who already suffer from nocturnal asthma, or asthma that naturally worsens at night.


Melatonin is a hormone produced by the brain that helps regulate the body's circadian rhythms, or body clock. Levels of the hormone peak at night, and this association with sleep has lead many to use melatonin supplements as a remedy for jet lag or insomnia.


But melatonin has also been shown to increase inflammation of the airways in animal studies, which can make it harder to breathe. That prompted researchers to look at whether melatonin might play a role in worsening nocturnal asthma symptoms



http://www.webmd.com/content/Article...m?pagenumber=2

The researchers focused on what they call participants' "sleep efficiency." Sleep efficiency was calculated by dividing total sleep time by scheduled time in bed.

When participants were making their own melatonin (as shown by the blood tests), the use of melatonin supplements didn't affect sleep efficiency. But sleep efficiency improved when participants took melatonin supplements while their bodies weren't making melatonin, the study shows.

However, sleep efficiency was best with melatonin made by the body, according to the results.



http://www.webmd.com/content/article/98/104730.htm


Sleep disorders affect 50 million to 70 million people. Insomnia, the most common sleep disorder, plagues up to 12% of adults, say researchers. Children can also be affected. Up to 25% of U.S. kids have sleep problems.

Possible causes include stress, too much caffeine, and other health problems. Shift work and jet lag can also disrupt the body's natural sleep cycle.

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Klassen and colleagues found that while melatonin may be safe for short-term use (for days or weeks), it's not particularly effective.

They found no evidence that melatonin supplements help insomnia. They also found little to no effect for insomnia due to stress, caffeine or due to other health conditions, such as depression.

One exception may be delayed sleep phase syndrome.

People with that condition have a hard time falling asleep before the wee hours of the night and also have trouble waking in the morning. Short-term melatonin use could help with that particular sleep disorder, say the researchers. This is a long-term problem and different from jet lag, a similar short-term problem.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #5963844 - 08/14/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been taking 1 mg of melatonin every night for about 2 years now. I suffer from insomnia and the melatonin greatly helps me fall asleep every night. I also get far more vivid dreams while on it. I've noticed no negative effects nor tolerance.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #5964249 - 08/14/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

eligal said:
So, if one were to take melatonin a few times a week or something, on a regular basis, would that persons body eventually produce less of its own melatonin and become dependant on the supplement?





What're you using it for? a sleep aid or a way to get more sound sleep for recovery from workouts?


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Re: Melatonin [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5964535 - 08/14/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I use it every night as well and have been for about 1 year.. I usally take 3-6mg and it deff helps me get a full nights sleep.. Some times the dreams can get a little to intense though..


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Re: Melatonin [Re: i8an8th]
    #5964590 - 08/14/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Have any of you tried ZMA? it's Zinc-Magnesium-Aspartate and it is supposed to work even better. athletes use it to get a better sleep.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5970438 - 08/16/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I thought people took Melatonin because their body stopped producing it, not the other way around.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: browndustin]
    #5973604 - 08/17/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

browndustin said:
One exception may be delayed sleep phase syndrome.

People with that condition have a hard time falling asleep before the wee hours of the night and also have trouble waking in the morning. Short-term melatonin use could help with that particular sleep disorder, say the researchers. This is a long-term problem and different from jet lag, a similar short-term problem.




This sounds like what I have. Its hard to impossible sometimes to fall asleep at night. Then either I wake up refreshed, or groggy for a few hours... Normally once Im asleep and something wakes me up its easy to fall back asleep, but waking up in the mornin is a bitch.
Main problem though is just falling a sleep before 4am...

And some of that other stuff you posted sounds bad, I dont want to take too much untested stuff with doctors/researchers advicing against it... lol.


Quote:

Cracka_X said:
What're you using it for?  a sleep aid or a way to get more sound sleep for recovery from workouts?




I havent actually started taking it. I read up abit on it the other day and Im really thinkin about tryin it as a sleep aid. I just dont want my body to start producing less of its own cause its getting it from an outside source...

But yea, its near impossible to fall asleep before 4am unless I somehow break the pattern by either staying up a night and the next day and then going to bed early. But that only lasts a week and then Im back to not being able to sleep till 4am...  :frown:


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Cracka_X said:
Have any of you tried ZMA?  it's Zinc-Magnesium-Aspartate  and it is supposed to work even better.  athletes use it to get a better sleep.




I use ZMA every now and then. Since my ZMA pills also have some B vitamins though they make it even harder for me to fall asleep... But sometimes on ZMA I only need a few horus sleep (maybe four or five) and Im wide awake for the rest of the following day.


Thanks for the reply guys. Im gonna be lookin into it abit more before I try it out, and if I ever do try it Ill post up the results.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #5973793 - 08/17/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hehehe, don't let my posts scare you. I was just posting some antagonistic stuff I read on another forum. We had like a 20 page discussion about the pros and cons of melatonin supplementation because of a new supplement that's coming out soon... Black Out by Royal Supplements and Controlled Labs. It's Cissus, Longjack, Orthionine, Arginine, Melatonin and a few other ingredients. It's supposed to give you an optimal sleep, help reduce cortisol and spare muscles from catabolism when you sleep. I'm going to do a log soon at BB.com and I'll be sure to log Black Out once the fucking shit arrives in the mail.

I use melatonin though. I've been abstaining from it because of the supplements coming in the mail (has between 3-5mg) so yeha, I'll be using it sparingly. But what I found is that if you take melatonin and DON'T go to sleep.... you're fucked. You're wired. And you'll have a hard time sleeping. Set up a sleep pattern and gently and sparingly supplement with melaonin. Not enough about it is know, true, but go for it if you need to.

I love ZMA as well. The magnesium should knock you out and the zinc should help you recover and get the best of things. ZMA will give you the most recuperative sleeps ever, but won't help to promote lean mass. I think anyone who works out or punishes their body can supplement with ZMA. But because my current staple, Magnesium Creatine Chelate has so much magnesium, I can't take ZMA or my body rejects it and I end up puking and shit. Only adverse reaction I've ever had, but considering the fact that I'd be getting over a gram of magnesium, it's no fault of anyone's but mine for not noticing.

Hopefully the sleep gets better man. I seriously roll a joint, go for a walk around the block with some chill tunes and smoking sparingly. I'll let my joint burn out and just take blank drags off of it or breathe deeply with no joint. If you stop following your sleep pattern, that's when things get fucked up, imo.

Don't have any heavy thoughts and night and brother, for christ stakes don't be goin to bed at 4am!!!! Unless you're workin graveyards, ain't nothin good can come of that!!


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #5975241 - 08/18/06 06:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

eligal said:
So, if one were to take melatonin a few times a week or something, on a regular basis, would that persons body eventually produce less of its own melatonin and become dependant on the supplement?




Indeed, that might happen.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: Gomp]
    #5977079 - 08/18/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Correct. But we don't particularly know how much consitutes "too much" melatonin usage.

IME, take melatonin an hour before you plan on going to bed. Between 1.5 - 3mg will make you feel pretty darn drowsy half an hour later. You should be executing your bed time ritual at this point, taking a wizz, brushing your teeth, whatever... but you should be prepared to be in your bed, free of any important thoughts or worries and about to start sleeping. If you fight it or do something stupid, well, you might be up for a few more hours kicking yourself in the ass.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: browndustin]
    #9852292 - 02/23/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Getting to sleep is very important. If you've got something that's gonna keep you up, don't take it. I took some last night but was worried about school. I ended up feeling like I was falling into myself an hour after I took it, then stayed awake till about 5 AM. It was no bueno.


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Re: Melatonin [Re: Rollin]
    #9860848 - 02/25/09 03:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I've been taking melatonin for years, 3-6mg a day as needed (usually 3-4 days a week). I suffer from a circadian irregularity and have never needed any other medication. Never noticed any negative side effects, and I can get to sleep just fine without it if I have to. It just helps me keep with the 24 hour schedule of the rest of humanity.

Melatonin is not like prescription sleeping pills, it is only an aid and you need to turn the lights off, lay down, and relax for it to work.

Also, why did you revive this old-ass thread?


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Re: Melatonin [Re: option_paralysis]
    #9882885 - 02/28/09 08:38 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Sleep is unavoidable...

It is only the result that differs..


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Re: Melatonin [Re: eligal]
    #9892412 - 03/01/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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