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OfflineDarkSideMoon
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Amanita Muscaria
    #5957791 - 08/12/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Im coming down from a trip right now so excuse any typing or grammar mistakes I make. Anyway, so I have been really interested in Amanitas (muscaria) for awhile. They seem so mysterious - there unpredictable trips, amazing appearance, and the fact they could've been the source of all religion sounds amazing to me. Anyone else feel this way? What are they like? It's to the point where I basically dream about them but make no attempts to get them  :eek:. WEIRD.

Thats my rant sorry.

Also, can anyone answer this?

While tripping I came up with a mind blowing question: If the Universe means everything that is (basically), and it's a relatively accepted scientific theory that the universe is expanding then wtf is is EVERYTHING THAT IS expanding into? W/e its expanding into IS the universe. WTF! Any ideas?


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5957817 - 08/12/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm also interested in them... i don't know jack about em.


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Re: !! [Re: sysD]
    #5957818 - 08/12/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

answer the universe question im going insane


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Re: !! [Re: sysD]
    #5957821 - 08/12/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

However... they do look somewhat like Fly Argaic IMO, so be careful.


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Re: !! [Re: sysD]
    #5957947 - 08/12/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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sysD said:
However... they do look somewhat like Fly Argaic IMO, so be careful.




Hehe...Amanita muscaria IS fly agaric.

Maybe the universe never expanded, maybe spacetime has just been shrinking and coalescing into localized points of density.

Maybe the universe has always been infinite, and the expanding theory is just a way to explain what we can observe in our localized piece of infinitum.

Either way, it's the dream of a butterfly.  So who cares  :ooo:


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Re: !! [Re: thatiAM]
    #5957968 - 08/12/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

no, its the mole on a mules ass!


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5957973 - 08/12/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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DarkSideMoon said:
While tripping I came up with a mind blowing question: If the Universe means everything that is (basically), and it's a relatively accepted scientific theory that the universe is expanding then wtf is is EVERYTHING THAT IS expanding into? W/e its expanding into IS the universe. WTF! Any ideas?




technically, rather than expanding it could be said that we percieve that it is expanding. There is a set speed that information can travel at and it is the speed of light. There are various theories and models that allow for the breaking of this rule but so far, no percievable proof that it can be broken. given this, if the universe cam into existence at a certain point in time. the distance we can percieve is the amount of time that has passed multiplied by the speed of light. Hence, as time passes, more of the universe is able to be percieved. This causes the effect of a perceived expansion. This is a very simple explanation of this and there is other evidence that the amount of space in the shape that is the universe is increasing but to a degree, I feel that this accounts for a lot of this idea of the universe expanding.


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Re: !! [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5958082 - 08/13/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The universe is endless. What is there without the universe?

Nothing? Who knows.


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5958144 - 08/13/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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DarkSideMoon said:
answer the universe question im going insane




It is expanding into nothing dude its space like there is space between your face and the computer monitor. There is just air there but in outerspace there would be just space there.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958348 - 08/13/06 02:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Mike, he's stating that the SPACE it's expanding into is already the universe (the defintion of universe is "everything that is everywhere"). Therefore the only explaination is that since the perceivable border of the universe (as far as humans can see into the stars) is increasing every day with the advance of technology, and the fact that it takes more and more time for a beam of light travelling at the speed of light to get from the so-called "edge" of the "known" universe, that what we know of it is ever-expanding with each passing second... every time we search further, it takes more time for the light from the edge of the universe to reach out telescopes and minds...

all science aside, I think all of our thoughts come from the fringe of the universe... modest mouse puts it the best...

The stars are projectors, yeah, projecting our thoughts down to this planet earth.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958823 - 08/13/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well Iamtheloser since everything in the universe was once one peace cause we do know for a fact that everything in this universe is spreading appart AKA expanding!!!!!! Then the light has already been here since the begining of the expansion meaning we can see everything already because it was all one clump.....


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958829 - 08/13/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It was all in one clump?


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958862 - 08/13/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You have never learned about the big bang theory


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958864 - 08/13/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

who hasn't?


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958879 - 08/13/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently you lol if you know about it then why did you say one clump? That is what the hole big bang theory is about. It was one unstable peace of matter and then it Finlay lost control and blew up kinda like our suns.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958881 - 08/13/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

mikeownow said:
Apparently you lol if you know about it then why did you say one clump? That is what the hole big bang theory is about. It was one unstable peace of matter and then it Finlay lost control and blew up kinda like our suns.




I'm sorry, what was disturbing to me was that you admitted that this "big bang" idea, is a "theory" yet you speak of it as though it is proven fact....


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958883 - 08/13/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It is the most logical choice and lead to go on.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958890 - 08/13/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You answered your own question. The universe is everything there is. Outside the universe is nothing. The universe is expanding into the nothing.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958891 - 08/13/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

How do you know that there are not other "clumps" beyond our vastly limited vision? How do we know that was we are seeing is the "universe" and not just a tiny piece of it?


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Re: !! [Re: DrGeek]
    #5958892 - 08/13/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Very close and easier to understand Dr Geek but it isnt isnt just expanding into the nothing it also has a whole lot of nothing inbetween.


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958896 - 08/13/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It very well could be just a tiny peace but if you want to get more deep maybe our universe is just a nutron of a small atom and we are part of some really big ass things toe nail.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958902 - 08/13/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Since we can only work with what we can see and we can see that everything is getting farther apart from everything then there is only one thing we know of that makes everything get farther away from everything and that is an explosion.

Sure there are other possibilities like you stated and that is what is keeping this a theory, but everyones random ideas are based upon possibilities and if you like possibilities you may as well believe in god.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958904 - 08/13/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, as the creature grows, our universe expands... "big bang" LOL


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958911 - 08/13/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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mikeownow said:
Since we can only work with what we can see and we can see that everything is getting farther apart from everything then there is only one thing we know of that makes everything get farther away from everything and that is an explosion.

Sure there are other possibilities like you stated and that is what is keeping this a theory, but everyones random ideas are based upon possibilities and if you like possibilities you may as well believe in god.




What if something is pulling them out, the "big magnet ring" theory ?


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958917 - 08/13/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That one is new to me, that would have to be one tremendously powerful magnet but how would a magnet pull a sun and gaseous planets and then again since planets are formed by particles getting caught in the suns gravity and getting pressed together the magnetic field pulling the universe apart would disrupt the planet development possess.


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5958921 - 08/13/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Please title this thread. Thank you.

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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958922 - 08/13/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know, I just made it up.

How would an explosion be big enough to expand the universe for billions of years?


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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958927 - 08/13/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well considering that if the sun blew up it would blow every planet and even reach Pluto in just its very beginning stages of supernova a huge huge huge every planet sun etc all into one peace that is one powerful explosion.

And as for how it has continued to expand for ever, If I went to space and threw a marble by hand and there was nothing in space to get in its way, then I hopp in a time machine and travel 2 billion years in the future and found the marble it would still be traveling across space, because there is no gravity and nothing to ever stop it from moving because it technically isn't moving.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5958944 - 08/13/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: !! [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5959227 - 08/13/06 01:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the expansion of the universe may be an artifact as part of it radiates and rages through another part of it:
the totality of it may be contracting and expanding at the same time, allowing for a complementary aspect that receives the expansion, probably this involves dimensions that we are unable to detect at this time.
our minds are much more limited than the universe


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Re: !! [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5959380 - 08/13/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

We know the universe is expanding because of the blue shifts and red shifts. It's actually pretty concrete evidence that it is indeed taking place. Wow, I'm glad I got over that trip. It was just a very confusing and dark experience.

I ate 1 1/2 grams of Golden Teachers (the night before I had taken 2 grams) and felt nothing because of tolerance so I called my buddy and asked him to spot me a few caps. I ate two more Costa Rican Cubensis (about another gram). I tripped for about 10 mins, and then I started to wonder about life. I felt no euphoria, I began feeling lonely. My good friend called and told me she had run over her dog with her car and she was hysterically crying and it sent me into a even darker place. I told her couldn't handle hearing the story or talking anymore and she was even more upset. I couldn't even re-center or calm myself. Then I began finding flaws in everyday theories (ie. the universe question) and although it didn't effect me I couldn't get past it. That was not fun.


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5959406 - 08/13/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Back in the 1920s, when Einstein was developing his general theory of relativity, he introduced a constant, known as the cosmological constant, to explain his idea of a static Universe.

Einstein's equations predicted a Universe collapsing under its own gravitational force, whereas observation showed it clearly was not contracting.

The cosmological constant represented an inherent pressure or force associated with free space, which would be resisting the gravity-drive contraction.

The concept was later abandoned when observations showed the Universe to be expanding - causing Einstein to label the cosmological constant as "the greatest blunder of my career".

In 1998, a form of the constant was re-habilitated when it was found that the Universe's expansion was actually speeding up. "


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Re: !! [Re: thatiAM]
    #5959520 - 08/13/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

thatiAM said:
Quote:

sysD said:
However... they do look somewhat like Fly Argaic IMO, so be careful.




Hehe...Amanita muscaria IS fly agaric.

Maybe the universe never expanded, maybe spacetime has just been shrinking and coalescing into localized points of density.

Maybe the universe has always been infinite, and the expanding theory is just a way to explain what we can observe in our localized piece of infinitum.

Either way, it's the dream of a butterfly.  So who cares  :ooo:




Heh, I meant death caps.


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Re: !! [Re: mikeownow]
    #5959536 - 08/13/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Very close and easier to understand Dr Geek but it isnt isnt just expanding into the nothing it also has a whole lot of nothing inbetween.




Oh, that's true. The vast majority of the universe is composed of nothing.


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Re: !! [Re: DrGeek]
    #5961028 - 08/13/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



Edited by StickyWater (05/03/08 02:24 AM)


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #5961088 - 08/13/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

sounds like someone needs to watch from atom to cosmos... :rolleyes:


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Re: !! [Re: Phishe]
    #6879066 - 05/06/07 01:48 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I never thought of that! You are exactly correct!! You couldn't have put it any better!


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Re: !! [Re: DarkSideMoon]
    #6881149 - 05/06/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

to me that's a pretty easy question with an obvious answer. When you get bigger from child to adult where do you expand into? Obviously empty space is infinite and only noticed once occuppied with matter.
if questions like that drive you insane be careful with amanitas they can surely put you in the depths of many others quetsions that are far more intense and insane.


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