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thatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959099 - 08/13/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, but it is very possible to attain in one birth for anyone, no matter how big of a scoundrel. It doesn't have to take birth upon birth upon birth.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5959123 - 08/13/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you think that you are enlightened?
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avapxia
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959126 - 08/13/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Close your eyes and see the silence
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Lysergic_Milkman
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: avapxia]
#5959386 - 08/13/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You people are elaborating on the concept way too much (stating what enlightenment leads to, rather than what it is). Enlightenment is not a process or a characteristic or a life-philosophy, and it becomes confusing when you try to describe it as such. Enlightenment is when you see something as it really is for the first time, like lighting a match in a dark room.
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EquilibriuM
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Quote:
Lysergic_Milkman said: You people are elaborating on the concept way too much (stating what enlightenment leads to, rather than what it is). Enlightenment is not a process or a characteristic or a life-philosophy, and it becomes confusing when you try to describe it as such. Enlightenment is when you see something as it really is for the first time, like lighting a match in a dark room.
Then the match blows out and your left again, in the dark, with nothing more then a faint memory of what once was - is... the forgotten truth.
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thatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959491 - 08/13/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: Do you think that you are enlightened?
How can enlightenment be enlightened? Would it care? Does it matter?
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EquilibriuM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5959505 - 08/13/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you *ARE* enlightenment ?
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thatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959627 - 08/13/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not that I specifically am enlightenment, everything (and everyone) is. Enlightenment is the nature of the universe and all its subtle energies.
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wiggles
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5959652 - 08/13/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt anyone here is truly enlightened - moksha (the reaching of enlightenment) is supposed to be fatal. That is why the great teachers are considered to be so great.
They had their moksha, and chose to stay and guide others.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5959688 - 08/13/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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thatiAM said: It's not that I specifically am enlightenment, everything (and everyone) is. Enlightenment is the nature of the universe and all its subtle energies.
I view enlightenment as a level of the self at which a true understanding of the universe is attained. The universe IS. Enlightenment is about the self, the universe doesn't reach enlightenment, people do.
Definitions of enlightenment on the Web:
education that results in understanding and the spread of knowledge
Nirvana: (Hinduism and Buddhism) the beatitude that transcends the cycle of reincarnation; characterized by the extinction of desire and suffering and individual consciousness
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thatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959744 - 08/13/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Self sees Self.
Notice the light bulb was already on, it never turns on. It is a light bulb without an on/off switch.
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EquilibriuM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
#5959846 - 08/13/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are good at avoiding questions.
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thatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5959947 - 08/13/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: You are good at avoiding questions.
Would it help if I said I was majoring in pre-law? 
(I'm not...but still )
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soulcircus
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Re: What is Enlightment? *DELETED* [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5959987 - 08/13/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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thedudenj
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: soulcircus]
#5960345 - 08/13/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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time is an illusion
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redgreenvines
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thedudenj]
#5961612 - 08/14/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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it is said if you see the face of god you will go mad. it is said that the boddhisattvas forego nibbana (not enlightenment nibbanna - different terms) in favor of returning to help on this plane of existence.
many of us are mad and it works quit well for us and we also are being helpful instead of blissed out (in nibbanna?) which is another possibility.
go figgure.
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MOTH
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Yeah, as long as you're KIND, it doesn't matter if you're "crazy!"
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soulcircus
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Re: What is Enlightment? *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines]
#5961939 - 08/14/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: soulcircus]
#5962071 - 08/14/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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difficult to be good
 kurtz -"the horror, the horror" (from apocalypse now) what face did he see?
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beatnicknick
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Someone asked:
"The idea, perhaps. But what is aware of this idea? What is an idea? Where does it come from? Where does it go? What is an idea divided by 3?"
1) We are aware this idea. 2) An idea is an original thought 3) It comes from your brain 4) It goes wherever you take it, to change the world, or to put an extra ingredient in pizza 5) An idea divided by 3 is something like 14
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Lysergic_Milkman said: You people are elaborating on the concept way too much (stating what enlightenment leads to, rather than what it is). Enlightenment is not a process or a characteristic or a life-philosophy, and it becomes confusing when you try to describe it as such. Enlightenment is when you see something as it really is for the first time, like lighting a match in a dark room.
This sort of just opened up a can of worms for me.
I was looking at different things in my room in this view, and got a sense of nowness, it was different-strange/beautiful. This will be wonderful to go off on in my head while tripping. (go off on in- that's a lot of pro...something. fuck i forget the name describing these word types. HELP!)
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Edited by beatnicknick (08/14/06 09:32 AM)
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