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OfflineShroomFan
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What is Enlightment?
    #5956058 - 08/12/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have my own formulation of what it could be, I dont really think there is a right or wrong answer but am curious as what input my fellow Shromerites have to give. Thanks Much LOVE to all


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: ShroomFan]
    #5956336 - 08/12/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's when you get a BJ while taking a dump........... wait no, that's a lumpkin. Haha, sorry, I couldn't help it.

I've often thought of that question myself. Reality is, most people will have a different definition of it. I think enlightenment is an understanding of how the universe functions without the predilections set in place since our birth, without human bias, essentially, without a perspective (because all perspectives are subjective). I don't think enlightenment is even possible, at least in this life. Certainly there are people who are more "enlightened" than others, but that still does not come close to enlightenment itself. I think there can be "glimpses" into the enlightened state, but no more than glimpses are acheivable in this life. I'll give this some more thought and respond again later.


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Re: What is Enlightment? *DELETED* [Re: ShroomScape]
    #5956354 - 08/12/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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InvisiblethatiAM
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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5956659 - 08/12/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No one knows what it is, not even sages. It can't be known, you can only be it. You are it.


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
    #5956871 - 08/12/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The best way I've ever heard it put:
Hindu enlightenment: You're dead, finally. Only took 472 tries.
Taoist enlightenment: You realize that a tree is not a tree. It simply is.
Buddhist enlightenment: You realize that a tree is not a tree. However, for ease of conversation with everyone else, you're going to call it a tree anyway.

Basically, enlightenment means a full release from the dualities of man. There is no longer good or evil in your mind, no up or down, no top of bottom... things simply exist. You do not devide one thing from another. Further details only muddy the waters, and are truely not that important. You see the full picture of the entire world, and how even the simplest, tiny structures play almost obviously huge roles to almost everything else.

No one can really tell you what it is though... I just regurgitated some stuff from the tao te ching and Confucian teachings. Those who know can not say, and those who say do not know.

If you want to get started in trying to reach on it, think about this... what is the sound of one hand clapping?
-or-
Master Lin was away from the monestary. While he was gone, a group of raiders seeking his advice stole into the monestary. They took the other monks, and began executing them one by one, because none could tell them what enlightenment was. Master Lin finally returned to face the corpses of his brothers, and the raiders. The raiders held a sword to his throat, and told him to explain what enlightenment was to them.

He looked at them, smiled, and said, "moo."

The raiders left.


Think about these for a good part of your life and maybe you'll hit enlightenment :smile:


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: wiggles]
    #5956880 - 08/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I couldn’t have done a better job explaining it, brother – and that’s saying a lot; I was a philosophy major!


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: drloomis82]
    #5957280 - 08/12/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What is it that knows? 
Where is this sense of a knower, when the knower itself is being known?

Besides, what is reality but a massive preconception? 
Open to what it is.  It's really easy, it's right NOW.

Just be aware man, no words can explain it to you, so you may as well just pay attention.  Not to anything in particular, just ... :sunny:



:heart: Peace :heart:

:hippie:


Edited by Quoiyaien (08/12/06 07:02 PM)


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5957580 - 08/12/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i really don't think enlightenment is that easily solved, nor do i think it's one specific thing. Everyone's idea of enlightenment may be different. To me, enlightenment is gaining knowledge as you grow older. Understanding yourself and the world around you better everyday. It's an ongoing process. Nobody will reach the end of enlightenment, its more of a living/growing process.


Edited by ArcofaJourney (08/12/06 09:00 PM)


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5957900 - 08/12/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In a nutshell, id say that enlightenment is basicaly looking at yourself in the mirror for the first time and knowing that that is you, no questions asked.


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #5958023 - 08/12/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

if you want some good reading on it read from a very enlightened person like han-shan. tho i shouldnt really say very because there arnt levels of enlightenment either your there or your not and the difference is so vast it cant be comprehended. its like being in a room with no windows and never seeing anything on the outside that room all you know is that room. i hope you understand what im saying i have a hard time explaining shit


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well [Re: thedudenj]
    #5958251 - 08/13/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I was going to chime in with my own spin on what these people are saying. But instead, I want to say:

Don't ask that silly question! Just meditate! Whatever you think enlightenment is, you can attain it for yourself! It's really not that difficult, it just requires lots of practice. Take fourty minutes every day to meditate. Honestly, just reading books, even if they were written by siddhas, won't get you very far. Meditate! Practice! Practice! Then you won't be asking this question any more, I guarantee it.

Love, ereignis


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Re: well [Re: Ereignis]
    #5958551 - 08/13/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

To me enlightenment is having full control of your reality and being able to change it whenever you like. I believe everyone and everything has it's own reality and to become the master of your reality is to be enlightened.


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Re: well [Re: TonguesInAspic]
    #5958727 - 08/13/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

raw light dances
no shadows added
like this.


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Re: well [Re: TonguesInAspic]
    #5958730 - 08/13/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps like a level 5 trip?

I can only really agree with what Ereignis is saying though.


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: Celaeno]
    #5958757 - 08/13/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

to me its when everything is going perfect and could be no more perfect and you are completely happy... much like when im with the girl friend or last night when i was in the mountains drunk and really high with my friend laughing at nothing and pissing on the tent


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: Gr33nTree73]
    #5958802 - 08/13/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I ask the question to get input from others..opinions are like a bouquet of flowers..although sometimes they smell like fish

I have my own opinion






oh and I can definately clap with one hand


I think everything is possible so what can you do to surprise me


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: ArcofaJourney]
    #5958804 - 08/13/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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ArcofaJourney said:
i really don't think enlightenment is that easily solved





Yes it is.

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nor do i think it's one specific thing. Everyone's idea of enlightenment may be different.






The idea, perhaps.  But what is aware of this idea?  What is an idea?  Where does it come from? Where does it go?  What is an idea divided by 3?

Quote:



To me, enlightenment is gaining knowledge as you grow older. Understanding yourself and the world around you better everyday. It's an ongoing process. Nobody will reach the end of enlightenment, its more of a living/growing process.




In Zen we have a saying, "The Buddha is only half way there" 

Practice is just beginning.  Always starting over with nothing.  Its like trying to describe the texture of sand to someone who has never experienced sand.  The experience itself is much more vast than any vessel of linguistics.

So I reiterate,

Just pay attention.  :laugh:

:heart: Peace :heart:

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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5958841 - 08/13/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It is something you may look for your whole life and never find.


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5958996 - 08/13/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
It is something you may look for your whole life and never find.




Anyone that does that is trying too hard, or not trying in the right places. It is already here, it's already been here and it will never go away. If someone is looking for something 'extra' then they will just become befuddled.


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Re: What is Enlightment? [Re: thatiAM]
    #5959080 - 08/13/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

thatiAM said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
It is something you may look for your whole life and never find.




Anyone that does that is trying too hard, or not trying in the right places. It is already here, it's already been here and it will never go away. If someone is looking for something 'extra' then they will just become befuddled.




"Seeking but not finding the house builder, I traveled through the round of countless births. Oh, painful is birth ever and again! House builder you have now been seen. You shall not build the house again. Your rafters have been broken down; your ridge-pole is demolished too. My mind has now attained the unformed nibbana and reached the end of every kind of craving." (Dh. 153-54.)


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