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preparing for my oil change - salvinorin
#5955897 - 08/12/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So Saturday morning, what a relief, an unplanned day, I think of my salvia – should I go rollerblading instead, or maybe after, take a bath, nahh, plenty of time later, tell wife of intent and take up book pen and pipe… glass of water half filled, fine… so easy… Last time I filled the pipe I put in a big piece I guess. Effects took hold quickly, the world seemed more filmy – deeper darks, flashier brights, I closed my eyes while I wrote in the notebook messily about red and blue – yellow tubes connecting dark heads – my own?- some turned to face me, some are me myself, some are just the backs of heads, some must be my wife who was just advised that I am taking this ride. A network of these heads with flesh-cheese-colored-plastic-struts connecting them define the new spatial cosmos where distinction fails, comprehension and panic set in – the community communes (a village?). Then my eyes fall open and I drink water from my cup, I am very hot, I am lost, I am squished, cannot think – am I even breathing? Are the stairs too close to the bedroom? In a flash I review the reality of this brief psychedelic-psychotic escapade. In a flash I am remorseful for all those who have gone too far, and I am too far. In a flash I am glad that it is fading and I am wet with perspiration – unharmed – unenlightened, dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is ready for another day.
(I must pick up the car now)
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5961389 - 08/14/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5960468/an/0/page/0 The nice thing about Salvia is the quickness of the experience, one can be a psychonaught without the outward signs or behavioural changes of pot or Lsd How do you feel about continuing your forays along the Salvia line? Do you ever consider switching to other substances?
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redgreenvines
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5961597 - 08/14/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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lsd and mushroom remain very attractive and for me are very social and very creative substances when done in moderation in public or alone respectively (eg, parties vs. personal painting sessions)
smoking salvinorin paper is something I hope I can do near-daily to keep me ready and willing to bend my mind where it has to go.
it is like a calesthenic for this jekyl and hyde thing I seem to have going (life is strange and i feel a part of it). it keeps me writing in my diary too.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5962917 - 08/14/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Answered my own question Peace
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5963827 - 08/14/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quoiyaien said: Then opened a door, and out walk these little balls of energy that begin swarming around my feet. I knew that they were friendly, as they greeted me with a smile and some kind of little elven laugh. I all of a sudden knew who they were... the guides of this realm. They took my hand and led me to this table where they told me to lie down. I did as they asked, and they proceed to tell me that they were going to heal me.
I had no idea what they were talking about, but I knew it was going to be great. They reached inside my stomach, and pulled out this brownish black lump of energy, replacing it with this light, of a colour that has no earthly counterpart. I knew something was better, but I didn't know what. I just accepted it and diffused about salvia-land. I dissolved into the air again, only to be greeted by the same elves. I remember saying to my buddy that they looked like keebler elves, but they were green, and completely different. I remember this making me laugh harder than I have probably ever laughed before.
I regained my composure, and the elves took my hand again. They said "She's ready to see you now"
"Who?"
"You know..."
"I do know..."
And then I was lead up to this castle, very similar to the Emerald City from the Wizard of Oz.
I entered this big chamber, and there she was, a beauty beyond compare. She smiled, and all of a sudden, I was bombarded by insight after insight, like a massive explosion where the insight only fueled deeper insight. Then, she bowed, and faded away into the background. Nothing was said, but I knew she had given me something.
I was wondering how one would reconcile the two experiences concerning Salvia here, the one nightmarish and the other bliss. Kinda like life. ( no response necessary)
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5963915 - 08/14/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I usually report the most stressful of my experiences in their own threads or those that have the greatest contrast between what might be expected an what actually happens.
In this report of mine, the celerity of come up goes with the dose being very high for me and it also goes with the extreme level 5 that made me leave my seat and wander, quoiyen also had some level 5- as his body was penetrated by the elves who performed a kind of abduction surgery to him. but he kept his seat and went on a great adventure.
there are other contrasts as well in composition of the psyche, yet while I did have some intense difficulty, there is no question I would go again and so I did the following day (twice actually - this one was posted to help illustrate talking to inanimate objects, my realization in it was that the mind material is all responsive whether it appears as one or many animate or not, so there is no harm in talking to inanimate objects or elves)
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redgreenvines said: In a pair of back to back salvia sessions this morning, one wet and one after the bath, a theme emerged that I think is related to the matter of matter taking on personality.
The salvia sessions went back to back because my lighter died in the midst of consuming a larger amount than usual. During the first session, most of my attention was directed to wards letting go of tension in back and hips – for healing (I guess with a summer cold I am getting a bit sore).
The closed eye world was an instant trip into a familiar array of color and form – a garden world. Having recently posted about my appreciation for Derrida’s term “undecideability” I made an effort not to close in with my mind around the definitions or attempt to make capture of these forms and color arrangements. Letting them continue to disobey my inner 3-d laws of placement and action encouraged the vision to be sustained.
Later while drying in the bedroom, I noted that there was plenty of salvinorin (on cig paper) still in the pipe, so I found another lighter and cleaned it out the best way I know.
This was a more complete lurch into what was already there, than earlier. Both intense closed eye visuals and milder opened eye visuals were sustained for 5 minutes.
What they seem to be is multidimensional, or nonconstrained repetitive forms/motifs that interweave with ideation, sensation and vision. It is almost as if what we call reality, i.e. resolved 3-d vision, were a derived form of ordered motifs from this 4-d mind-world, i.e. as if we are in some “imagination-powered” interface between processed sensation and engrammatic motifs sifting in nonconstrained (4-d) space.
So in this one, I was also going to have too much but my lighter malfunctioned and saved me the embarrasment. I like going to an impossible world. I just need to use less. it's just how it is I guess.
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i'm a wimp, if I use too much I is stressfull.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5964905 - 08/15/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then my eyes fall open and I drink water from my cup, I am very hot, I am lost, I am squished, cannot think – am I even breathing? Are the stairs too close to the bedroom?
that last random spark about the stairs brings back that pull feeling.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5965267 - 08/15/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok let say Salvia has its resident Deity and that Peyote has another and perhaps LSD another. I wonder if one could draw similarities between the Deity's of Religion and the personification of a substance. The stressful result of alcohol consumed with heroin then being an example of stressed relations between the Deity of one substance and another. Do you drink a beer occaisionaly?
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5965363 - 08/15/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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all the deities are welcome, heaven accommodates anything and everything:
in heaven, everything you can think of is true.
however, and this is where superstition kicks in, there are no exclusives in heaven, jealousy is just a mirror, and this becomes a looking glass world where engineering ideas are loops and moebius reversals.
(you may exchange the term salvia space for heaven or dreams, or mind...)
yes a couple of beers per week. no heroin tho. sorry.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5965435 - 08/15/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for what?
I was questioning if beer affects the Salvia experience. I wonder if Quoiyaien avoids alcohol completely.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5966636 - 08/15/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i feel that salvia removes the ego while leaving sensation and awareness crisply intact. suddenly, the air is as solid as the rocks and it is all one with you, no real separation, rocks and air have a bitter feel in your surroundings, which are no different than your own body.
i feel that the loss of sense of physicl boundry distorts physical self image to that of the somatosensory homunculus, a grapic example showing, in size ratios, the human form in relation to the subjective ratio each respective part occupies on the cerebral cortex.
you get the sensation that you are mostly hands and some face, experiencing yourself subjectively as your brain preceives you.
heres what we look like to our brain withought the conditioned image of self.
get a feel for the imagery, try to understand it the next time you travel down salvia way.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Mitchnast]
#5966889 - 08/15/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes mitch, you found my monkey, uncle homunulus
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5967078 - 08/15/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Booby said: Sorry for what?
I was questioning if beer affects the Salvia experience. I wonder if Quoiyaien avoids alcohol completely.
No I do not. I quite enjoy wine. In fact, I love wine. So many subtle flavours in a glass. I probably have a bottle every 2 weeks, though I never do salvia if I am already innebriated (except when I smoke pot, they seem to get along rather nicely ).
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Mitchnast]
#5967096 - 08/15/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said:
heres what we look like to our brain withought the conditioned image of self.
get a feel for the imagery, try to understand it the next time you travel down salvia way.
That picture is great! Though i'm surprised the penis isnt bigger.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5967180 - 08/15/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pot gets along with Salvia? Well that blows my train of thought then.
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after my oil change - salvinorin afterglow [Re: Booby]
#5968636 - 08/16/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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they get along fine together as long as they don't start biting eachother on the neck. that's when you have to send one of them into the house.
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working with the afterglow.
I don't know how many here notice the afterglow, I find for more than a day afterwards there is a subtle softness to everything and a sense of increased wellbeing that pervades the body, maybe a flushed warm feeling.
anyway
we had a large meal at a restaurant yesterday and went to bed early, and my wife was tossing and could not get comfortable - overfull I guess.
I lay face down and pushed the pillow away to the top of the bed. the afterglow made me feel suspended or floating.
I am pretty sure I was having CEV's from the previous day's salvinorin. I was beginning to enter a dreamstate but not falling asleep since my wife kept tossing around uncomfortably. fractal forms, animated outlined cartoons, general interest in peripheral activity...
This went on for hours, and I found it quite interesting. An afterglow enhanced near sleep.
almost dreaming but not quite asleep is a pretty rich state to be in. Like a level 3 (Light visual on the SALVIA scale) without smoking.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5968638 - 08/16/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then again beer is generally a male substance so maybe there isa conflict of sorts by using beer while experimenting with the Salvia experience, if you see what I'm getting at.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5968642 - 08/16/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Booby, you are approaching a symbolic reality, this is fair at a distance, but it is very appolonian too.
a more dyonisian impulse rises with a cup of wine or brew and falls into flesh with a splash.
the only excess is immersion in what's happenning - it's ok to mix a bit
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: redgreenvines]
#5968654 - 08/16/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Apollonian- "In the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, of or embodying the power of critical reason as opposed to the creative-intuitive."
I apologize to you if you find intuitive remarks offensive in response to your posts on a public message board.
Maybe you need a blog?
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5968681 - 08/16/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd like to rephrase that but I can't find the words suitable.
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Re: preparing for my oil change - salvinorin [Re: Booby]
#5969121 - 08/16/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd like to help, but first I thought you were being constrained by male/female dichotomy logic, but now it seems you are on my side with the dionysian intuitives.
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