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Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison
#5955785 - 08/12/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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FORT SMITH, Ark. (Reuters) -- Tom Coughlin, the former Wal-Mart Stores Inc. vice chairman who admitted to stealing thousands of dollars from the company, was sentenced on Friday to 27 months of home confinement.
His doctor, Joel Carver, had testified earlier on Friday that the 57-year-old was too "fragile" for prison, suffering from diabetes, cardiac disease, sleep apnea, arterial blockage, and other ailments. Coughlin was treated for arterial blockage in 2003.
Prosecutors countered that prisons had good medical facilities to care for him, but Judge Robert Dawson decided on home confinement, five years of probation, and restitution of about $411,000. Roughly three quarters of that sum will go to Wal-Mart, and the remainder to the Internal Revenue Service.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/11/news/newsmakers/walmart.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5955829 - 08/12/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone seems to be too fragile. This dickhead, Pinochet, Reagan, etc. The same excuses will be applied to Bush and Blair in a few decades.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: bukkake]
#5955845 - 08/12/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Na they'll have faked there deaths like the Enron guy. Right before jail, he dies of a convinient heart attack, aka he has a lot of money and he can do what he wants, hes in his mansion in east who knows where the fuck probably bowling with his pals in the basement.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: beatnicknick]
#5956323 - 08/12/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually, the Enron guy did "die" but it didn't matter. With his money and connections to big government, he was able to clone himself through research with embryonic stem cells.
The clone died prematurely of a heart attack brought on by the altitude of Aspen and lots of partying.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5957190 - 08/12/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tom Coughlin, the former Wal-Mart Stores Inc. vice chairman who admitted to stealing thousands of dollars from the company, was sentenced on Friday to 27 months of home confinement.
they would have given me 24-48 months in the state pen for selling $35 worth of mushrooms if i didn't take their plea offer. this guy stole thousands (and he bought celine dion cds).
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: wilshire]
#5957263 - 08/12/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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wilshire said: they would have given me 24-48 months in the state pen for selling $35 worth of mushrooms if i didn't take their plea offer.
Just take a lesson from this guy and slip the judge a cool million.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: HighGuy]
#5958382 - 08/13/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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And this is the justice system that we should apparantly trust to enforce "labor laws" to protect workers from the whims of execs like this guy. Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5958505 - 08/13/06 06:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in humanity if workers would continue to work in a place wherein labor rights were being violated.
As in, "hey dumbfuck, if it is a hostile work environment, then quit, duh". 
Of course, I work at Wal*Mart, and have never seen any labor rights being violated, so
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5958787 - 08/13/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: And this is the justice system that we should apparantly trust to enforce "labor laws" to protect workers from the whims of execs like this guy. Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it.
What possible connection could your febrile mind draw between this guy embezzling about 500K from the company and labor law enforcement? We now have our first diagnosed case of WDS.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5958939 - 08/13/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Alex213 said: And this is the justice system that we should apparantly trust to enforce "labor laws" to protect workers from the whims of execs like this guy. Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence does it.
What possible connection could your febrile mind draw between this guy embezzling about 500K from the company and labor law enforcement? We now have our first diagnosed case of WDS.
Concentrate your mind and think real hard. If that doesn't help, ask a friend to help you.
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5959040 - 08/13/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought I was, pal
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5959296 - 08/13/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you're paying attention then tell us how has the justice system treated a Walmart exec who has broken the law?
We'll get there eventually...
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5959358 - 08/13/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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About the same way they have ever treated white collar criminals. Disgracefully leniently. What's your point about labor laws? Which, by the way, are outside of the criminal justice system. You do know that, don't you?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5960186 - 08/13/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Duh, zappa, the anti-Wal*Mart propaganda never covered that much. 
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5961491 - 08/14/06 01:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: About the same way they have ever treated white collar criminals. Disgracefully leniently. What's your point about labor laws? Which, by the way, are outside of the criminal justice system. You do know that, don't you?
So you believe the justice system fails constantly when treating exec criminals but works when treating execs in labor law cases?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: fireworks_god]
#5961497 - 08/14/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: Duh, zappa, the anti-Wal*Mart propaganda never covered that much. 
 Peace.
Except that it's the most obvious reason why Wal-mart are so keen on labor laws and have such a dread of unions
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5962019 - 08/14/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: About the same way they have ever treated white collar criminals. Disgracefully leniently. What's your point about labor laws? Which, by the way, are outside of the criminal justice system. You do know that, don't you?
So you believe the justice system fails constantly when treating exec criminals but works when treating execs in labor law cases?
What mystical "justice system" are you referring to? Nor is disgustingly lenient equivalent to failure. Labor law violations are not criminal. They are tortious. Do you know what that means? Do you know anything at all about law?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5962056 - 08/14/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You still don't seem to get the point.
Why do you believe judges will be disgustingly lenient to execs in one area of law and strict in another?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5962255 - 08/14/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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YOU still don't get the point. It's not the execs on trial in a labor dispute and there is only money being discussed not prison time. Judges are quite willing to hand over oodles of company cash. As are juries. You have no clue whatsoever about American law, do you?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5962277 - 08/14/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could replace "American law" with almost any phrase or word in the English language and the answer would still, always, be an emphatic "no".
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: zappaisgod]
#5962447 - 08/14/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: YOU still don't get the point. It's not the execs on trial in a labor dispute and there is only money being discussed not prison time. Judges are quite willing to hand over oodles of company cash. As are juries. You have no clue whatsoever about American law, do you?
So you're saying judges are biased in favour of execs but biased against companies? Have you any idea how ludicrous you sound?
And if you think judges are so against rich companies why do rich companies always prefer labor laws to unions? Think about it. (Unless thinking makes your brain sore)
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5962473 - 08/14/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: Except that it's the most obvious reason why Wal-mart are so keen on labor laws and have such a dread of unions
I think it actually has a lot more to do with the fact that, if labor laws are in effect, then it is all but ensured that Wal*Mart, or any other company, will abide by them, as the legal consequences from not doing so would not be worth the extra work, the less pay, or whatever specific example that is applicable.
If labor laws are in effect and abided by, then there will be less potential for the formation of a labor union amongst the companies workers. The reasons why Wal*Mart would not favor a labor union within its company are numerous, obvious, and certainly costly.
It is difficult enough to ensure that tasks are completed appropriately by associates without another hierarchy in place to play a role in the management of associates. I am not aware of how widespread this is, but Wal*Mart has problems with execution of its operations on the store level, which, from my observations, based in my experience, is mostly a combination of being short-staffed (which applies to retail in general), and the lack of engagement in Wal*Mart associates.
In my opinion, as an associate, a union would effectively destroy any amount of proper execution that exists at the store level. Having a workforce become unionized typically diminishes the productivity and competitiveness of the company - this would occur at the store level - the store level already has opportunities with this.
A company has its success at stake, which is exactly why it would work towards ensuring its success.
If you want my personal opinion on the matter, most workers want everything for barely anything. I recently frequented a Wal*Mart forum hosted by a union website, and a great number of participants would constantly bitch and complain about how much they hate working for Wal*Mart, how much it sucks, etc. etc. etc., and then they would turn around and say that they deserve this benefit, this wage, this and this and this and that. Well, you've already demonstrated your attitude as it pertains to work, which directly demonstrates that you aren't engaged, and that you are almost assuredly completely fucking worthless at work - you don't deserve shit, shut your fucking mouth, you shouldn't have birthed five fucking kids without a proper means of supporting them! No, I am sorry, if you work part-time as a shitty ass cashier who probably pisses off customers (and, of course, studies demonstrate that the customer remembers the cashier most) with your worthless attitude and ugly, redneck face, you don't deserve to be paid enough to support yourself, five children, and your fucking alcohol dependancy. 

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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: fireworks_god]
#5963759 - 08/14/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of course, I work at Wal*Mart
 This is in direct opposition to What Jesus Would Do!
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: leery11]
#5964044 - 08/14/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you kidding me? Jesus would certainly use his Christ Consciousness in an organziation that has had a lot of success, but now faces some continued focus on improving its operations on the salesfloor, directly with customer service and the customer shopping experience. He would bring awareness within the system and spread it with others who share the same space. 
In my experience, most evening and weekend, salesfloor associates end up running registers half the night, and the overnight crew will have misconceptions that they need to shove more freight out onto the salesfloor than they should, and the stores have some trouble staying 100% in-stock, and certainly a lot of opportunity with maintaining a presentable salesfloor.
Target eats Wal*Mart alive when it comes to presentation, which is a big aspect of the customer experience. When I first became a department manager, I was sent with my assistant manager by the store manager to Target, to observe and take notes. 
Wal*Mart is much more based in sheer volume, but that doesn't mean it needs to be like cattle rushing through, rooting through salesfloor and leaving. 
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: fireworks_god]
#5965165 - 08/15/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it actually has a lot more to do with the fact that, if labor laws are in effect, then it is all but ensured that Wal*Mart, or any other company, will abide by them, as the legal consequences from not doing so would not be worth the extra work, the less pay, or whatever specific example that is applicable.
I don't think so. First off how many low paid workers have the time or money to launch court cases against their employer? 10% of them? Less? Not to mention their chances of finding furthur work are practically nill if other companies find out they've launched court cases against their previous employer.
Secondly what kind of "punishment" does Wal-mart receive even if an employee is successful? A few thousand dollars in fines? Do you think a multi-billion dollar company gives fuck one about being fined?
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Re: Wal-mart exec too "fragile" for prison [Re: Alex213]
#5969075 - 08/16/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: I don't think so. First off how many low paid workers have the time or money to launch court cases against their employer? 10% of them? Less? Not to mention their chances of finding furthur work are practically nill if other companies find out they've launched court cases against their previous employer.
Which is why they can and do rally together in order to launch massive lawsuits with millions of pages of evidence, cases representing 1.6 million women, you know, stuff like that. Hey, its all about unionizing, so why can't they get together with the lawsuits?
Oh, that's right, because the unions don't give a shit about that, because they don't gain any money themselves that way. 
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Secondly what kind of "punishment" does Wal-mart receive even if an employee is successful? A few thousand dollars in fines? Do you think a multi-billion dollar company gives fuck one about being fined?
Yes, I do believe that a company, ultimately, has its own success to consider. Wal*Mart has a considerable, negative perspective of it and its practices that is displayed in the public spotlight. Do you think that is good for business? Do you think that is good for hiring more workers? The associates you do have aren't exactly engaged as it is. 
Obviously, there have been some bad decisions when it comes to Wal*Mart, and they have to deal with those consequences. It is an enormous fucking company, and it isn't exactly self-aware. Wal*Mart changes with its environment, but it needs to begin forecasting once more. It is starting to do so, but some of the decisions that are being made now are risky, with no assurance of what the yield will be. Target is a real competitor, and Wal*Mart is going to attempt to offer more to Target's demographic, within the same always low prices policy. I'm not so sure it will work, because they are simply two different companies. I'm not one to think that Wal*Mart's standard customers will care to see $30 candles sitting in the Action Alley. 
What I do know, however, is that there is a lot we can learn from Target (when I became the department manager of Furniture in my store - now the department manager of Toys - I was sent to Target by the store manager to observe and take notes ). Presentation and customer experience are emphasized highly at Target, and if Wal*Mart simply improved its execution within the store, and maintained the salesfloor, there would be a lot more opportunity for sales growth. People don't want to shop in a fucking trashed store that is not 100% in-stock. 
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