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What is your defensive toolset?
#5955562 - 08/12/06 02:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have no need to worry about the JBTs or LEOs, I am a law abiding citizen, and all of my weapons are 100% legal. I plan to move to another country, however. I will obviously have to leave my firearms, I only hope I can land somewhere were I can both pursue my horticultural desires and continue to be a firearm owner. Does such a place exist?
Here is how I sleep at night..... LMT AR-15 Lower, with RRA 2 stage trigger LPK, 6 position RRA stock, Leitner Wiese piston driven upper,pic rail system included, with Surefire M910A foregrip torch, Surefire L72 also present, and let's not forget the trusty Aimpoint CompM3, and yes I have BUIS's. They happen to be Troy flip ups. Mags? I thought you would never ask, I couldn't spring for the HK M16 SA80 mags, at 50$ each, I decided to bulk buy 120 USGI Okay industries 30 rounders for 100$ shipped per 10. Yeah ONE HUNDRED TWENTY 30 round magazines, I did ditch the green followers for MagPul's "Enhanced Leveling Followers" Oh, and I rotate between 60 loaded mags. Sidearm? Glock 20, KKM Precision barrel, steel guide rod, 22lb guide rod spring, CGR electro polished 3.5 connector, extended slide release, and loaded up with Double Taps 215 WFNGC 10 mike mikes that moves to fast and hit so hard you would have to think it is the hand of God himself. Only keep 5 mags loaded on hand for this one, but it is enough to get me to my rifle, body armor, gas mask, and googles for the flash bangs. I sleep well....
How do I get around? Simple, Benchmade 9050 AFO, a HAK straight edge, a Surefire M3, and my 10 mike mike igniter, of course.. It is legal to carry a firearm here as I do have a permit.
Sorry, can't sleep and figured I would at least ask you kind warm hearted intelligent people if you have any tools for self preservation.
Thank you for your time. Carry on.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5955572 - 08/12/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use my brain to avoid situations where the use of weapons would be necessary. Granted, I cannot prevent everything, but to live in fear of every possibility would suck the joy from life.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: Seuss]
#5955589 - 08/12/06 03:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand and respect your decision. The Caribbean? I bet it is a nice place full of polite docile people who can accept folks living the good life and all of the gifts God himself blessed the earth with for good people to enjoy.
 I guess, perhaps being exposed to certain things has changed my perception of human beings and what they are capable of. I do not live in fear, for I am a Marine. I will always be, a Marine. No one will decide anything for me, what I can and can not do in my home, what I can and can not own. I see it one way, and in that one way I have two choices. Do as a please or fight to the death for the right to do so.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: dr_gonz]
#5956898 - 08/12/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So far, I've got my 308, my custom built tourney over/under twelve gauge, my mauser, my 1874 44/40 calvalry pistol, my flint lock muzzleloader, and my favorite:
An antique Korean war SKS that my grandfather found on a dead Korean in the Korean War. He was a quartermaster, and smuggled it back to the US. Its complete with the original bipod, and bayonette. Original stock, original barrel, everything is original and fully restored. He just had to clean up the wood some (blood = damage to wood - kind of sad I know). He restored everything else, including reburning in the korean writing on the side of the rifle. Its a beautiful machine.
Its fun when your grandfather was a pretty famous gunsmith Pretty much everything I own I got from him as a present.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5957867 - 08/12/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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No more posting while intoxicated. You tend to mess shit up. oops. It was $100 each per 10, via Aim Surplus for anyone else who needs to know, this was around the 4th of July. I do not know if they are still selling them this cheap, but they were.. These are NIW Okay Industries USGI mags. Aim Surplus has great deals, If you want to build an AR, you can buy a "Stag" brand lower from them for a C note. Stag Arms used to make Colt's stuff, but when the AWB sunseted, they went into business for themselves. High quality stuff at a very reasonable price. Everyone should have a black rifle. I did my first build on a Stag lower but sold it to buy a Kimber Ultra Carry II.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5958704 - 08/13/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: Here is how I sleep at night.....
heres how I sleep at night
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5958893 - 08/13/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should plant landmines all around your bed for that extra security!
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5958908 - 08/13/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You worry too much, I know bad things can happen. But life is to be lived, not feared.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: rod]
#5958936 - 08/13/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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rod said: You worry too much,
I hear that from everyone I know. It is something that has just developed and I am trying to ease up, and let the paranoia go. It is something I am going to have to work on......
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5959242 - 08/13/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ready for the revolution eh ? ;D
Yeah I don't have any weapons o_O ... pocken knife or two O_O
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
#5959594 - 08/13/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Meh, to me they're not weapons, but then again I grew up in a hunting family, with a gunsmith as a grandfather. I would never think about using a gun against another person unless it was abeslutely crucial, and even then I doubt I could pull the trigger. To me they're just beautiful pieces of machinery. For instance, check out my pistol... its a family heirloom, and the metal was originally blued. However over the past hundred years the metal has slowly anodized, giving it an abesolutely beautiful, and unique marbled finish that I've only ever come close to seeing on titanium. Its a one of a kind.


One of the greatest gifts my grandfather ever gave me. Sorry, I like showing it off
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5962565 - 08/14/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, a pocket knife is just as deadly as a firearm. Did you know most shootings occur within 7 feet and are over in 3 shots or less? FBI national statistic for you there. Within 7 feet you have a decent chance with an edged item PROVIDED you have the training to deploy it effectively. The dynamics of each individual situation will dictate whether it would be appropriate however (logistical self preservation of fight or comply with your enemies demands, whichever will most likely leave you alive)
Wiggles that is really nice. What caliber is it? I know there were some oddball calibers back in those days, few of which are produced anymore. 32? 38? 44? 45? I know some were weird and dubbed 44-40, 38-44. I don't know if they were width and length demensions of the projectiles or what. I am mainly up on modern firearms and calibers.
I totally agree with the tool philosophy. The human is the only weapon I know. The thing that always gets me is when someone uses a "gun" for a crime, it is blame the "gun" time. When someone drives drunk and kills someone its always blame the person, as it should be in every instance regardless of how it happens or what means someone lost their life by.
Back in the day, everyone owned a firearm, I grew up in the sticks, and I knew where my father's Smith & Wesson model 29 was, and that it was loaded and ready to go. I also knew where the 30-06 Remington and Browning 12 gauge were, and where the ammo was. I took the old single shot bolt action .22 out a few times a week to plink around at coffee cans, among other things. I always remember the joy of shooting as a child. I was 12, 14 years old, and I loved wandering the woods with that old .22..........
I commend you on your treasure. I got some hand me downs but I traded them off for newer production items......
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5963298 - 08/14/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its a 44-40 calvalry pistol. Not the magnum, but it still packs one hell of a kick. It doesn't have a working safety though, and the chambers don't always line up correctly because the drum doesn't spin as free as it should. It needs some work, and we rarely shoot it (except on very special occasions) - big chance of a backfire on something that old 
Its beautiful though, a simple, elegant machine which can quite literally mean the difference between life and death. There's maybe 2 moving parts on the entire thing.
I know what you mean about the back woods thing. My dad was a union worker, and when the union went on strike it meant no food, unless we went hunting. If it wasn't for my hunting rifle I probobly wouldn't be typing this message now.
(And just to make sure no one gets the wrong impression, I am not a sport hunter. I hunt when, and only when, I need food to live. I don't even kill bugs in my daily life. It is totally possible to be a 100% peaceful person and own multiple firearms. Besides, my grandfather always told me anything I shoot I have to eat, and I heard people taste kind of poopy)
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5963500 - 08/14/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, those single action wheelguns are scarey. I have a few 1911s and even having a single action with a manual safety is uncomfortable to me. I pretty much use Glocks for real world use(every day carry) I like the simplicity and proven hard use reliability the Glock platform has become well known for.
You could probably take it to a local gunsmith and have them look it over. You can get on a firearm forum and ask too. Just a thought. You might have to ship it to an out of state gunsmith via FFL(s) but a competent gunsmith should be able to render it into 100% safe working condition. Back in those days powder formulations were quiet corosive so some parts might need to be replaced. A well outfitted gunsmith should be able to mill/forge parts. You might could find a diagram from Numrich (sp?) Firearms Parts Corp. Which of course could help you identify any parts that might need to be replaced and they have parts for almost every gun ever made. I got a catalog from them once to research a gun in particular and found it very helpful. It was around 2,000 pages or so. Huge refference. They bulk buy from manufacturers and have even bought firearm companys outright when they have gone on the market.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5963526 - 08/14/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, my biggest fear with a gunsmith is that the gun is unregistered to anyone. Given that it predates registration laws (by close to a hundred years!) it should be grandfathered in, but I don't really want to gamble with having a goody-two-shoes gunsmith who refuses to give the gun back because its not registered. I'm thinking I'll have to find one who specializes in antiques, but it'll have to wait til I have a bit more money
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5963596 - 08/14/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, if you do not mind my asking, what state do you live in? Not all states have firearm registry. If you live in Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, Utah, Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Nevada, and several others you do not have to register. If you live in the UK, Australia, or Canada you might be violating several laws by possessing a handgun.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5965462 - 08/15/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i love guns, but i have always felt that a good set of locks and a dog make a better home security system than a gun. a gun is good as a last line of defense, but i wouldn't bother with one if i was growing illegal plants or fungi in the house. mere possession of drugs and guns on the same property can get you in some serious trouble. i can't imagine what kind of enhancements are on the books for manufacturing.
you've got some tricked out guns there i see. for home defense, give me a remington 870, in 12 gauge, with an 18 inch barrel and a surefire attached. being a marine, i imagine you're comfortable with the AR-15 and maybe that's the best choice for you. for most people, unless their attackers are wearing body armor or there are a dozen of them, a shotgun makes a better home defense weapon.
i wouldn't carry a weapon even if i was legally permitted, because where i live, i'm more likely to get into a brawl with some drunk kids than anything else, and the cops will be on the scene in seconds. you can't get into fist fights where you're carrying a gun. you have to shoot anyone that gets violent with you. i'd rather not have to do that. it's a moot point because i can't carry anyway.
a couple military style rifles for "SHTF" scenarios round out the citizen's armory. i'm not a fan of 5.56 NATO. i like the old 7.62 rifles. springfield armory's M1A's are good.
right now the only weapon in my home (without getting creative) is the ka-bar on the shelf next to my bed.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wilshire]
#5965667 - 08/15/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ka-Bar, I have one of those. :thumb:
 Dogs? I have 5, soon to be 6 I hope (I might adopt a dog from a friend)
I am very comfortable with the 5.56 NATO's performance, with the heavier loads in the 70 to 75gr projectile weight range you get really good temporary wound channels, slower velocity, better energy dump, less likely to overpenetrate. It allows you to carry more ammo and less weight.
I respect the 7.62, and it really shines in the FN-FAL. The M1A/M14 rifles are great, but the FN-FAL is the end all in what a 7.62 NATO rifle should be in my humble opinion. They are the AK47s of the 7.62 NATO realm, yet they are still highly accurate. The M1A still wins out on accuracy though, just a little better.......
I do own a Remington 870 Magnum with an 18" barrel and extended magazine tube. No other add ons like the AR. It is a no frills gun and I like it uncluttered.
The AR is good for me as I employ it very well and am highly accurate with it. I agree about the AR platform being too much for some people. You have to train with it. The charging handle, mag release, bolt release, and safety seems to be too much for some people, let alone focusing on accuracy.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5973447 - 08/17/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: Ka-Bar, I have one of those.
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I respect the 7.62 The M1A still wins out on accuracy though
the M24 is more accurate

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I agree about the AR platform being too much for some people. You have to train with it. The charging handle, mag release, bolt release, and safety seems to be too much for some people, let alone focusing on accuracy.
I own one that no one has had an issue with, I'd say yeah, it's a bitch if you were refering to the SKS but the AR is a pretty simple rifle to operate
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5973554 - 08/17/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The SKS is actually pretty nice to operate. It loads extremely smoothely. The ammunition is on little clips that you slide into a notch, press a tab, and push down. Thats all for loading. The downside is 99% of the ammunition for it is corrosive. After a day of shooting you need to break everything down and clean it, or else it'll be a hunk of rust within a few hours.
Accuracy wise, I love the SKS. You can tell that it's the AK's older and less fancy brother. Just using a pin sight I can get a 5 shot grouping within a dime's area. Its great. Also, out of a few thousand rounds I've yet to have it jam. It works like a dream.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5973668 - 08/17/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i've never heard anyone praise the SKS for its accuracy. it's a "people's rifle" and works very well for the job it was designed. for $250, sure, i'd get one, but i wouldn't use it for home defense. get down to physics and physiology and a shotgun definitely has a rifle beat for close range self defense.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wilshire]
#5973718 - 08/17/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well note the fact I was talking about groupings at about 75 yards Its been prefectly accurate for me, in many cases more accurate than my 308 and my mauser. Granted I'm not sure what all work my grandfather may have done when he restored it. I know some of the internals had to be replaced because the gun had been laying at the bottom of a stream in Korea when he found it.
For actual home defense I'd have to say my 12 ga. shotgun. Its your standard over-under with a double beaded sight rail, and a fully adjustable choke. My grandfather custom built it for me when I used to do trap and skeet in tourneys, plus it has light rifling in the barrels for shooting slugs. We used to use it to blow up canteloupes at the range before they got mad and made us stop 
To quote Kill Bill, I'm a surgeon with this shotgun.
Seriously though, for home defense a shotgun is the way to go if it comes down to a life or death situation.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5973966 - 08/17/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The general consensus is the 12 gauge with 00 buck for HD purposes, but in all honesty it doesn't spread enough for it to meet its requirement normally demanded by most users (spray and pray is what most people do with the 12 ga and 00 buck). Because at 10 feet your pattern out of a smoothbore 18" barrel is going to be less than 20 inches. If you are going to have that much spread you might as well use a handgun or rifle. I do not doubt the 12 gauges destructiveness, but I think I am best served with the M4gery, as that is a weapon I have alot of experience using. Most shootings occur within 7 feet and are over in 3 shots, though. That is a range best suited for a handgun or edged tool.
Having said that the 12 gauge shotgun is the only gun in the world you can use to kill an 8 ounce dove or 200lb deer
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5974085 - 08/17/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The general consensus is the 12 gauge with 00 buck for HD purposes, but in all honesty it doesn't spread enough for it to meet its requirement normally demanded by most users (spray and pray is what most people do with the 12 ga and 00 buck).
those people are being foolish, but that doesn't make a shotgun any less effective in the hands of those who know you still have to aim.
my requirements of a gun for home defense purposes are:
"does it have a higher probability of immediately stopping an intruder with one pull of the trigger than other weapons available?"
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"does it have a lower probability of penetrating walls and killing my neighbors than other weapons available?"
the answer to both questions is a resounding "yes". therefore, shotgun it is. having a pattern that kills everything in a huge cone would be a bad thing with innocents around.
the shotgun reigns supreme for home defense. take your AR-15. that 5.56 is a varmint cartridge. it's not even legal to hunt deer with in most places because it's too small. it's got less close range stopping power, but more dangerous wall penetrating power, than a shotgun. i could say that about most rifles.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wilshire]
#5974183 - 08/17/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Varmit cartridge? So, how many people have you shot with a 5.56 NATO? I would really like to know your first hand real world experience with this cartridge. You aim for the sternum and head for a reason brother. The 5.56 being underpowered is a myth, I never had an issue with it, nor any Marines I know. Army guys will be another story because they lack the riflemanship that is engrained into Marines.Seriously, if you do your part (sternum or headshots) it will do its. A copper wad running between 2,500 and 3,000 fps is going to cause an amazing wound channel and energy dump with the right projectile desing and composition. That projectile isn't USGI NATO spec stuff, none the less USGI NATO spec loads do a wonderful job.
I run 70 to 75 gr copper jacket bonded lead core projectiles, this is way better than USGI M855 OR M995 type ammo. It causes a greater temporary wound channel, deforms better and thus causes a better energy dump. Penetration with loadings in this weight range are going to be 15" or less in ballistic gelatin, which is ideal for human consumption.
I have used a rifle extensively in combat, I don't know what your experience is, but I am totally 100% positive the carbine is the end all in what a combat long are should be. For joe blow who can't hack the discipline of using a rifle in a high stress situation, the shotgun could be construed as a better choice.
The 12 gauge is good for breeching, and that was the primary use them for us in OIF. The 12 gauge does produce FAR MORE kenetic energy, but I can get 3 shots on target with two COM and one CNS and on to the next one in the time it takes you to shoot pump and begin your second shot. Will you need to further engage your previous target? Or is is safe to start your 2nd engagement? I have no doubts with the proven formula described above. That is just something that seperates an Infantryman from a civilian. I promise brother. Low recoil, high capacity. All you have to do is focus on your breathing, be calm, and keep them in the ten ring.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5974201 - 08/17/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh, memories, there is nothing like adrenaline. That "Oh my God, I am going to die" feeling.....wow, that is the greatest feeling on earth my brother! No greater rush. I almost felt a dump of it now......
The 12 gauge is a great weapon, of which in terms of kinetic energy there is no equal for it in terms of small arms, but being a rifleman I can't deploy a 12 gauge worth a fuck brother..... I dont feel secure with one. I am complacent with high capacity, low recoil, and fast follow up shots.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5976230 - 08/18/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ahhh that explains it, you were a rifleman in infantry  I always wanted to go into the coast guard when i was a little kid for closed quarters combat/ship breeching. That is pretty much all 12 gauges, and the occasional ar-15 bushmaster (at least from what I'd seen).
Plus, I've shot enough barrels, fruit, etc, to believe that the ar-15 will do its job beautifully in the right hands. however in untrained hands, the shotgun is probobly going to be just as effective. While an 18 inch coan isn't going to help THAT much, its still 9 inches in every direction that would give the lay person who has never really shot before a chance to survive where it would leave a lay person with an ar-15 a missed shot, and ringing ears.
Speaking of ringing ears... Yeah, that's the only problem I actually have ever had with AR's. The gas exhaust is right next to your ear, so you can't shoot without some kind of ear protection. That shit made my ears ring for 3 days with only 5 shots. Never in my entire life have I had that happen before, not even when I was watching my gramps work on an elephant gun for a big game hunter. Those thigns are deafening. Granted, I was holding it like a hunting rifle, and not like a combat rifle which probobly makes a marked difference ^^
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
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Yeah, being a Rifleman in the Infantry you learn the weapons well, and they instill marksmanship in you pretty profoundly at the Island. I am glad I didn't get caught up in a M249 or M240. They are problematic, high maintenance like no other, and they are not very accurate. Of course most guys had problems in the sandbox due to simply over lubricating their weapon. I ran my M4 dry, no oil at all. I still had my share of problems but nothing like the people who insisted on lubing. I feel sorry for the person using that rifle now, because no lube is very hard on a weapon.
the USCG runs a tight ship. It is hard to get in on that action. Those Coast Guard guys get all the cool jobs. USMS, FBI, DEA, ICE, they pick up USCG people like mad.
Yes, the 5.56 has a serious shockwave, very very loud like no other catridge. It is from that intense velocity. You have 30,000PSI chamber pressure pushing a glorified 22. with a full length 20" barrel NATO rounds can break 3,600 FPS. Fucking loud. I have damaged hearing in my right ear because of it. I don't know if my drum got tore or what, but it doesn't hurt very often, only when I lay on my right side and my head rubs against a pillow, I hear a sound inside my ear sometimes, it sounds like a plastic bag is ripping or something, no, like when your skin rubs against leather furniture. I hear good, just not as good as I once did.
"gas exhaust" are you talking about the tube that pushes the bolt/carrier assembly inside the upper? It does redirect the gas back towards the shooter but that won't affect the noise perception anywhere near as much as the "ballistic crack" of the projectiles shear high velocity. You do get crap blown back into your face if you are lefthanded like I am, though. Damn I hated that, my right eye would always tear up, that drove me absolutely up the wall when I had to shoot more than a few rounds at one time.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5976743 - 08/18/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought there was a gas exhaust directly behind the chamber (by the bolt assembly) where excess gas was vented after the following round had been loaded into the chamber? I'm not entirely sure, I only busted down my friend's AR-15 once, so i'm far from an expert All's I know is there was an annoying burst of gas hitting me square in the mush with each shot fired. It sucked! That coupled with the noise made me realize that I'm not a fan of the ar-15, at least not until I learn how to hold a rifle combat-style, which apparently is a good bit different from how you hold a hunting rifle/shotgun Habit always leads me to trying to tuck the butt of the stock into my shoulder and its just too close for the noise produced.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5977885 - 08/19/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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the buffer lies behind the bolt/bolt carrier assy. inside the stock. The gas port will be located above the chamber. Next time you look at it, complete safe the weapon, pull the charging handle back, hold in the rearmost position, press the bolt release button at the bottom to simulate an "empty mag" (which keeps the bolt rearward) and release the charging handle (unload, make sure its unloaded, make sure it is unloaded, keep the action open, make sure it is unloaded, and look inside the action, Above the chamber, you will see a little tube). This is the gas tube which the pressure is directed into the bolt to push it back, the buffer (a spring and aluminum tube) in the stock pushes it forward. I use a piston driven upper because they are scary reliable. Direct impingement, AKA the conventional gas operation, can be troublesome. Overall Stoner did good with the m16 family of rifles. However, piston driven is the way to go. You can get a a Leitner Weise for under 2k. The HK416 upper is supposed to hit the civilian market, but I have heard the cost could be as high as 5k. FOR JUST AN UPPER. You can buy 6 complete A2s (now that flattops are the new thing) for that kind of coin. The lower is just fine the way it is. Man, with a piston driven upper, you can shoot thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds with out ever even having to clean your rifle. I am sitting at about a 7k roundcount, and I know this rifle will go 7k more without a single hitch. You get what you pay for.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5979641 - 08/19/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Varmit cartridge?
indeed.
"The .223 Remington was developed as an enlarged and higher velocity version of the .222 Remington, which had existed in the 1950's as a varmint cartridge. The .223 Remington was developed specifically for the Armalite AR-15, which later became the U.S. military rifle M-16.
The .223 Remington is one of the most common rifle cartridges in use in the United States, being widely used in two types of rifles: (1) varmint hunting rifles, most of which are bolt action and commonly have 1-in-12 rifling twist suitable for bullets between 40 and 55 grains, and (2) semiautomatic rifles such as the AR-15 and the Ruger Mini-14, which commonly have twist rates of 1-in-9 suitable for bullets from 50 to 75 grains."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington
it's certainly deadly against humans, but throwing over an ounce of lead at a person from a shotgun will stop them more quickly.
immediately stopping a commited attacker requires disrupting either the nervous or motor-skeletal system. hitting a blood rich organ or artery will kill, but not for several minutes. the skull, spinal column, hips, or a femur need to be hit for a reliable one-shot stop. all of these are hard objects which aren't really impressed by the hydrostatic shock wave caused by a rifle bullet. it doesn't matter if they're hit by a fast moving rifle bullet or slow moving shotgun pellet, they just need to be hit. your chances are greater with a shotgun.
rifles are good when you're fighing at longer ranges or your targets are taking cover. when they're coming up the stairs of your home, a shotgun it is. so dump that gopher gun and practice up on the traditional and effective weapon for home defense - the scattergun.
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wilshire]
#5980471 - 08/19/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, if a 12 gauge held 30 rounds and had no recoil like a 5.56, I would take it over the M4 any day. .223 chamer pressure is going to be in the 12k to 15k PSI range, that is pretty weak. NATO pressure is TWICE that, which increases velocity. THE .223 and 5.56 NATO are the same in terms of catridge demensions, projectile diameter, but the NATO round is loaded to a much higher velocity. Still it has no recoil compared to the 12 gauge. The 12 gauge is the most destructive small arms catridge around. I will not deny that. However, the recoil, and low capacity make it impractical for engaging in a target rich environment. NATO FMJ 5.56 stuff isn't the best performing rifle catridge I will agree, however, a bonded jacket hollow point in the 70 to 75 grain range has a very impressive energy dump and temporary wound channel. (Our troops can not use this stuff, although I have heard SF guys do) Velocity combinded with the JHP and we are talking a TWC that is incredibly destructive to tissue and organs, even out of a carbine length barrel.
If I need something for closer range I am comfortable with the Glock model 20. It holds 16 rounds of 10mm and I use Double Taps 215gr cast lead loads. I run an aftermarket KKM barrel, since the projectiles are lead. This thing is on par with a .44 mag, and it holds 16 rounds. I would rather have either of these over the 12 gauge. The 12 gauge just doesn't have a high enough cyclic rate, too much recoil, and a 12 gauge will hold between 5 and 8 shells, depending on make, model and configuration.
With all of this love for the all mighty gauge that can level a house with one trigger pull, peel the paint off of the neighbors house and give your family a permanant orange afro, I have a 12 gauge I never use, anyone want to buy it? Practically new remington, nickel plated...
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: wiggles]
#5999707 - 08/26/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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wiggles said: The SKS is actually pretty nice to operate. It loads extremely smoothely. The ammunition is on little clips that you slide into a notch
mine takes a magazine asopposed to stripper clips, mine is also machined steel instead of stamped metal
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5999713 - 08/26/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: Oh, memories, there is nothing like adrenaline. That "Oh my God, I am going to die" feeling.....wow, that is the greatest feeling on earth my brother! No greater rush. I almost felt a dump of it now......
wow... seek help, I've been there, done that and dont want the t-shirt
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Re: What is your defensive toolset? [Re: USMCamputee]
#5999724 - 08/26/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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USMCamputee said: Hey, if a 12 gauge held 30 rounds and had no recoil like a 5.56
I can shoot a 12guage with one hand, it's recoil isnt that heavy
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