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OfflineLloydChristmas
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Hey you weightlifters
    #5955101 - 08/11/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Have any of you any experience with this stuff?
Endothil-CR


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #5955127 - 08/11/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Its a rip off. The ingredients are nothing special. Even if it works the stuff in it can be bought for a helluva lot less money. If you do see any considerable gains it will likely be due to changing your lifting routine which you have to do.

I wouldn't waste my money on it. There better stuff out there or you could spend an extra 5 minutes and buy all the ingredents yourself and have a lifetime supply for the same price.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: d33p]
    #5955162 - 08/11/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Endothil-CR is backed by a 100% no questions asked, money-back guarantee: if for any reason you’re not satisfied with Endothil-CR, simply return the empty container within 30 days for a full refund.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: Triad]
    #5955344 - 08/11/06 11:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Not even worth trying and taking back to the store.

You should look into something that's been tested and effective with damn near every person that's taken it. Whey protein, creatine and fish oil should be your basic stack.

If you've already dinked around with creatine, try bulk creatine ethyl ester. But remember that nothing will make you actually grow asides from hard work and a proper diet. Up your caloric intake if that's what you're after. If you're looking for something to stimulate your gym workouts, plain old caffiene does the trick too.

I regret the stupid shit that I've spent money on in the past year.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: browndustin]
    #5955356 - 08/11/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nevermind that shit ... you need something called, if I remember correctly, D-Ball. Or maybe it was windstraw.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: Terrapin77]
    #5955367 - 08/11/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

dude If ur not afraid of steroids superdrol or phera-plex are great products. Yes they are legal steroids and they work. They have been discontinued but are still available online. They are oral so they are harsh on the liver but all u need is milk thistle taken along with. If u want anymore info on this pm me. They are available online for about 30 bucks including shipping good deal.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: albino_shroom]
    #5955400 - 08/12/06 12:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I've heard of that source too. I considered Phera Plex but I really think it'd be best to hold off. I might just buy some and keep it for a year just in case. They're pretty decent designer steroids, but they're methylated and bad news bears when it comes to lipids and cholesterol.

Admittedly you can take liver supports, a PCT (like nolvadex or clomid) and shoot right into something like Arachidonic Acid or Hyperdrol to help keep the gains.

Makes me want to fucking juice so bad, but at 20 years of age and with not much training under my belt, it wouldn't make sense to fuck up my endocrine system. Plus you've gotta take wayyyyyyyy more shit than just silymarin (milk thistle). I'd probably spend a good $200 on PCT/supports alone. Plus I'd never "recommend" juice to anyone. If they choose to do it on their own free will after copious amounts of research and deep though then that's a different story.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #5955628 - 08/12/06 03:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

LloydChristmas said:
Have any of you any experience with this stuff?
Endothil-CR




so i asked my coach... and he forwarded this to a friend who's a specialist in supplements.(god bless him)

so here's what he said in the email to me...


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Have a look at http://bodybuilding.com/store/nov/end.html for info on endothil CR. When you look at the ingredients you’ll notice that it contains:



Riboflavin 6.8mg 400%

Proprietary Blend 9mg

-Green Tomato SE

-Grape Seed SE

-Grean Tea SE

-Quercetin

-Rutin





And of course there’s the famous other ingredients.



Other Ingredients:

Cane sugar, tomato powder, mono-and diglycerides, salt stearic acid, natural flavors, FD&C red #40 lake, magnesium stearate, and silica.



I can’t think of anything more anabolic than tomato powder. And what about that cane sugar?



BTW their main claim to fame is the Green Tomato as it’s supposed to contain some magical anabolic ingredient. In fact green fruit do contain plant heat shock proteins but it’s a stretch of the imagination (actually it’s pure fancy) that this does anything in humans, especially in the dosages provided – a whooping 9 mg for the whole Proprietary Blend.



These people are much worse than the snake oil salesmen ever were.





So with this said I'll point you in a better direction...

http://www.giantnutrition.net/

Get Creatine Ethyl Ester. it's Creatine in its free acid form. You'll immediately feel the effects and just take it before working out. But be warned, it tastes like complete shit! You could walk through cow patties for a week and lick the bottom of your shoe and CEE would still taste incredibly worse. I take it like a shot and if you mix it with some gatorade then it's not too bad.

Also there's Citruline Malleate, which is an element in watermelons that, in this extract form, will enable you to feel the same at the end of the work out as you were in the beginning. Or at least a significant decrease in fatigue.

Then 6-MU. good shit is all i'm gonna say.

i use these supplements and yeah I can vouch. But if anything, get the CEE(Creatine Ethyl Ester) it's dirt cheap for like ~400 servings!!


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: Cracka_X]
    #5955784 - 08/12/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
Then 6-MU.  good shit is all i'm gonna say.





interesting
:strokebeard:


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Cracka_X said:
Get Creatine Ethyl Ester.





Ever taken the Controlled Labs Green Bulge? Any better than the site you linked? or worse?
What about Universal Animal Pump? Too expensive?
Or Higher Power Creatine Ethyl Ester?


So far Ive just taken BSN creatine products, worked pretty well but they seem kinda expensive... :shrug:


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: eligal]
    #5957651 - 08/12/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Green Tomato Extract (GTE) has been proven. Although I can agree that Endocil-CR is short for CRAP.

Creatine Ethyl Ester is good, but don't let the taste scare you off. I'm going to buy a kilo from www.bulknutrition.com, as well as a half kilo of bulk L-Leucine to add to my post workout shakes. You can cap the CEE with a pill press which I'm planning on doing. It's well worth it.

Citrulline Malate is excellent as a pre-workout igniter. It's a nonessential amino acid that's found in a lot of good NO products. It's a precursor and helps with more than just NO production. Gives a great pump. I think a lot more of the popular and proven products are adding this. It's a great punch.

I have taken Green Bulge so I can vouch for that one. It's CEE and also a little bit of MCC (Magnesium-Creatine Chelate). Controlled Labs also have a MCC product called Green MAGnitude. It's more appropriate for pre workout than Green Bulge. I would take GB post workout. GM has a lot more pre workout componds. I was actually a sponsored tester (still about 40 days into my log), but I promise that I'm not being biased. I just really like their products, but stuff like MAN Cloute, Anabolic Xtreme Hyperdrol, Molecular Nutrition X-Factor (Arachidonic Acid) are all probably the BEST products out there right now, imo.

Tons of great shit, just let me know what you're looking at and I will find the best pricing online for it. www.supplementkings.com is reliable and I chat with the owner quite a bit, www.bulknutrition.com is also very reliable.... search for BOSS, Cheap Vitamins and other sites too if you want.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: browndustin]
    #5957736 - 08/12/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

everyone here is dogging endothil.. but pretty much everyone on the high school wrestling team took it.. it def worked.. i think the main thing it does is speed up recovery time.. like you rip the muscles when you work out.. then it quickly builds them back..

but from my experience (i never took it, i was more of a creatine person)..it def helped the other guys bulk up


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: Banez]
    #5958369 - 08/13/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dig GTE and hope that something can put it to good application, but I'm not spent on endocil-cr or the marketing tactics used by this company.

A lot of companies and their reps are shill-dizzle. Not cool. But then again a lot of them are really chill and know their shit. But yeah, creatine works for everyone and is amazingly safe. It's be researched more than anything and with CEE, MCC, Di-Creatine Malate, et al hitting a lot of new products, no one can claim to be a "non-responder".

http://jrnlappliedresearch.com/articles/Vol3Iss1/ASHMEAD.htm

Some really positive shit about creatine. I've taken magnesium AND creatine and the results were pretty good. I'm actually ordering some bulk CEE right now lol


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: browndustin]
    #5958374 - 08/13/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Man...you are just hardcore on the weight lifting stuff. I wish I had your dedication.


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: Terrapin77]
    #5958491 - 08/13/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Terrapin77 said:
Nevermind that shit ... you need something called, if I remember correctly, D-Ball. Or maybe it was windstraw.



Dbol for mass
Winstrol for cuts


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Re: Hey you weightlifters [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5959315 - 08/13/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Heh, thanks man.

I don't know what it is. I got bit by the iron bug and can't stop. It's a very personal and emotional path that I've taken in life and I haven't regret the solitude, the early nights, money wasted, grueling pains or stupid looks and thoughts from people (judging me from my size). Now I understand why bodybuilders do this all their lives.

It's got to be the most rewarding thing I've ever done in my life as I've never really been a stickler for team sports or anything of that sort. Gotta rock the cans of tuna + oats every day, egg whites and gallons of water. It's tough but feels more rewarding than anything. Might sound sad to some, but I'm a young man who isn't good at much else as far as I know yet. I just wish I started at a younger age.


If you want to see a hardcore motherfucker, take Wrath (Frank McGrath). I've been digging the "Journey" ads in all the BB magazines lately. I just broke up with my girl because of conflicts in interest (after a two year relationship) and this keeps coming to mind...

http://www.animalpak.com/journey/week.cfm?week=6

Definitely some fucking inspirational shit. Makes me want to run to the gym and just lift.

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