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Invisiblejellyfish

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Growing peruvian torch from seed
    #5954109 - 08/11/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have some peruvian torch seeds that are half a year old (maybe more). I tried planting some before but fungus grew on the soil and ruined it. This time I plan on sterilizing the cactus soil mix (either in pc or oven). I will put the soil in a pan with drainage holes in the bottom and water it from the bottom. I will sow the seeds close to the surface as they are very tiny and will put some saran wrap over the pan to keep in humidity. I will also keep the pan on a heating pad. Should I use a fungicde spray also? I have a sulphur based one but I'm afraid of it killing the seeds. How long will they take to start growing? Is there anything wrong with my plan or any other advice you can give me? Help is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: jellyfish]
    #5954129 - 08/11/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious where you got the seeds. If they were from a US shop. (Especially one that doesn't sell cactus material from South America) it's really tough to say what kind of seeds you really have. There's a pretty good chance they're kk242 seeds, so you should be aware that it might take years to grow these cacti out, and you might not really get the kind that does what you probably want it to do.

I'd "invest" (AKA: Spend 5 bucks) on some bridgesii seeds. Maybe pachanoi, or some "peruvianus" that are actually sent from south america, ideally a place that you know has powerful cactus anyway, as the seeds will be from those alone. US shops selling cuttings and seeds nearly always have different sources for the two.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5954461 - 08/11/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

if you use chinsol or a safe funguside on the soil before you plant them then it solves your fungus problem


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Invisiblejellyfish

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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5954464 - 08/11/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I bought them from here http://www.sacredseed.com/ethtrip.htm


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: jellyfish]
    #5954678 - 08/11/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i have never had moldy soil, i have been sprouting cactus for a while and not seen mold once. you just need to air them out in the morning and night.


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Invisiblejellyfish

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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Ebb]
    #5954730 - 08/11/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

K so should I go ahead with my plan or is the sterilizing not needed?


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: jellyfish]
    #5955474 - 08/12/06 01:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i think the sterility is an issue when you have poor air exchange.
maintaining humidity is hard in a large invironment, so you make a small, confined environment, this is bad for air exchange.

Ive got a portable greenhouse with automatic humidity.
i open it up a couple times a day and the air changes.
Ive got a pot of peruvians and another of bridgesii started (today)
the temps have been dipping a bit at night for the past few days, but its been rainy, its normally desert here.
it gets really warm inside the greenhouse in the day. very humid too, it just gets hotter and humider. i figure i should get a really good start for my little ones.


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Invisiblejellyfish

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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5973629 - 08/17/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Bump


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: jellyfish]
    #5974725 - 08/17/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Cacti are easy to grow from seed. At least peruvian torch/bridgessi/san pedro. You have to keep a bag or clear cup or something on em for the first month or so, but once they pop up and have had some good humidity, they should be fine to go under some flouro's and start growing. I have to take some pictures of mine, i might go do it right now. They're just about a year and a half old now. I just buired about a quarter of the biggest/oldest to stabalize it in some new soil.

By the way, to anyone that has VH1 on comcast cable, The Drug Years is on, and it's a darn good show. I think another one's coming on next hour too.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Hrethic]
    #5975224 - 08/18/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would recommend sterilising the soil before sowing your seeds, though moulds & fungi can still get into it after they've been sowed so I'd keep some chinosol, cheshunt compound or sulphur product to use if you need to.
You say you'll have drainage holes in the pot you're germinating them in, Don't know what success other have had with this but I've just used unholed trays to sow cacti seeds in with a sealed bag over it to keep it humid. I suppose it won't make much difference.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5975428 - 08/18/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Koala Koolio said:
I'm curious where you got the seeds. If they were from a US shop. (Especially one that doesn't sell cactus material from South America) it's really tough to say what kind of seeds you really have. There's a pretty good chance they're kk242 seeds, so you should be aware that it might take years to grow these cacti out, and you might not really get the kind that does what you probably want it to do.

I'd "invest" (AKA: Spend 5 bucks) on some bridgesii seeds. Maybe pachanoi, or some "peruvianus" that are actually sent from south america, ideally a place that you know has powerful cactus anyway, as the seeds will be from those alone. US shops selling cuttings and seeds nearly always have different sources for the two.



I've searched all over the web and couldn't find anything to back up your claims that KK242 seeds are a slower growing strain or that they are lacking in alkaloids. Reference please?


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Invisiblejellyfish

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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Pinhead]
    #5975470 - 08/18/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i guess I wont put drainage holes I just read somewhere it's better to water them from the bottom. Should I put them on a heating pad?


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Pinhead]
    #5975474 - 08/18/06 09:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They're not a slower growing species.

KK242 is just a reference of location (altitude, I believe) and the finder of the seeds, Karel Knize. Knize is a sloppy guy, who sold tons and tons of seeds of all sorts of varieties. But often times he really didn't pay attention to what was what. You'd get a packet of some alleged seed, and it'd really be a mix of different things. Some joked that he'd just sweep them off the floor into little baggies. :smile:

Anyway, KK242 can actually turn out to be a variety of things. But most commonly, it appears to be T. Cuzcoensis. You'd have better luck looking that one up. Join thenook.org forum, and read the pinned topics in the cactus section by MS Smith, and search by his name if you'd prefer. He goes into good detail about how he believes the cactus commonly sold as Peruvianus (generally kk242) is cuzcoensis, and he's given dozens of examples and comparisons between it and the macrogonus species, which appear to be the source for the dry stuff, as you can clearly see on icaro's page, and one other. There are also a number of 'bunk' experience reports with cuzcoensis. Another member in the chemistry section did an extraction of cuzcoensis material, only to be disappointed.

It's very rare that I come across a good trip report with live peruvianus. It's generally something along the lines of, "I got a peruvian torch because I read on erowid that it's stronger. Nothing happened." People get thrown off because there are certainly some dry "torch" experience reports in which people are blown away.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5975556 - 08/18/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, that cleared things up. I just bought some T.peruvianus seeds from an Ebay vendor, now I wonder what I really got! Any idea if any of the Ebay vendors have what I'm looking for?


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Pinhead]
    #5975586 - 08/18/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No, I don't think so. I wouldn't get seeds from an ebay vendor. Shoot me a pm for some decent seed sources though.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5975622 - 08/18/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You've been very helpful, Thanks for the info.


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Re: Growing peruvian torch from seed [Re: Pinhead]
    #5977294 - 08/18/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)







There they are, my prides and joys of the cacti world. Judging soley from the spines i'd say that the top one is Peruvian Torch/Bridgessi, and the middle is san pedro. Some others are those sizes as well, but i didn't have room to upload the pictures.

But to actually growing em... the only reason they're so small is because i didn't put them under the light until i was absolutely sure they were ready, which turns out to be way too late. I think i could have cut  6-10 months off the growing time (they're all between a year and 7 months to a year and 2 months) if i would have put them under some kind of flouro from the time the seed sprouted. They've been going under 24 hours of straight light for the past 6 months or so and have done most of the growth in that time. The light is just a single shop light flouroecent with one warm bulb and one cool. :smile:


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