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According to the NCPA, the world population is declining. There really isn't any arguing it, it's all cited statistics.
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The growth rate of the world's population appears to have peaked around 1970, when the annual rate of growth was 2.09 percent.
By 1980, annual population growth was down to 1.73 percent, and by 1990 to 1.7 percent.
By 1995, the annual increase had slowed even more to 1.5 percent.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963538 - 08/14/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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growth rate =! population
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Silversoul]
#5963551 - 08/14/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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growth rate == population rate
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963569 - 08/14/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not to pick your nits or anything, but precision of formulation is one of my things:
Growth can happen at various speeds (rates). Populations have no speed. The word is a noun. The phrase "Population Rate" is like the phrase "Pencil Rate". It makes no sense. 
OK, back to your regularly scheduled program.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Icelander]
#5963589 - 08/14/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really? Well then you must be quite busy with all the babies being hurt around the world in all these wars and such.
Icey, I was just saying that if I see someone in the Walmart parking lot strangling a baby, I'd stop it if I could, including with the use of deadly force.
Some pro-lifers misguidedly think a fetus equals a baby and so, in their mind, they feel justified using any means to stop abortions.
I'm not agreeing with them, just pointing out why their irrational, religion-based beliefs lead them to blow up Planned Parenthood clinics and shoot doctors.
This is no different than a suicide bomber's religion-based belief that blowing themselves up and taking a few more for the ride is God's will. When you look for the source, most human suffering is rooted in superstition, irrational beliefs, and religion.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Diploid]
#5963591 - 08/14/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The phrase "population rate" is used very often in my text books and by various creditable sources, such as the UN. It's also in the Multilingual Demographic Dictionary.
It's an actual term, and makes perfect sense to the knowing 
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963604 - 08/14/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said: growth rate == population rate
No. The growth rate is the rate at which the population grows. The statistics you showed simply demonstrate that the population is growing at a smaller rate, which isn't the same as declining.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963607 - 08/14/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's an actual term, and makes perfect sense to the knowing
Alright, I'll take your word for it.
I stand corrected, but it's still bad English.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Silversoul]
#5963617 - 08/14/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Growing at a smaller rate is a decline...
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Diploid]
#5963619 - 08/14/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Much English is bad English . English isn't exactly the most coherent language.
-------------------- Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21 (New King James Version)
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Diploid]
#5963621 - 08/14/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm.. I take that back.
A quick search of http://www.un.org for the phrase "population rate" comes back with a bunch of hits, but all of them use the phrase "population rate change" or "population rate of increase", or "population annual growth rate", or something along those lines.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Diploid]
#5963629 - 08/14/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've seen population rate and population rate change used interchangeably. What I was referring to was population rate change to be exact, which is what the Multilingual Demographic Dictionary references. I'm just lazy and I didn't think anyone would be possibly as nit-picky as yourself. Skeptics are a strange breed
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963638 - 08/14/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also just checked the Multilingual Demographic Dictionary which you cite and it has a definition for "population growth rate" but none for "population rate".
Sorry. 
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Guilty as charged.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963646 - 08/14/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said: Growing at a smaller rate is a decline...
A decline in growth rate, yes. Not a decline in total population.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963647 - 08/14/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said: Yeah, I've seen population rate and population rate change used interchangeably. What I was referring to was population rate change to be exact, which is what the Multilingual Demographic Dictionary references. I'm just lazy and I didn't think anyone would be possibly as nit-picky as yourself. Skeptics are strange breed
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Diploid said: I also just checked the Multilingual Demographic Dictionary which you cite and it has a definition for "population growth rate" but none for "population rate".
Sorry.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Silversoul]
#5963651 - 08/14/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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RRRR said: Growing at a smaller rate is a decline...
A decline in growth rate, yes. Not a decline in total population.
Which makes it a good thing that I never claimed there was a decline in total population. Things are just getting worse at a slower rate
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5963698 - 08/14/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said: Which makes it a good thing that I never claimed there was a decline in total population.
Yes you did:
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According to the NCPA, the world population is declining.
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: Silversoul]
#5963834 - 08/14/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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RRRR said: Which makes it a good thing that I never claimed there was a decline in total population.
Yes you did:
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According to the NCPA, the world population is declining.
Whoops! Meant to impose "rate" into that statement. My bad!
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: RRRR]
#5964343 - 08/14/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep I think it's HER choice. It certainly isn't yours except at the point of a gun.
so if a mother is abusing her infant, you dont think anyone should try to stop her?
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Re: Is Abortion murder? [Re: porcupine]
#5964713 - 08/14/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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not if the infant is into S&M
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