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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5964274 - 08/14/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

all im saying is that buddism puts me to sleep.now judiasm kind of makes me horny and so does that scientology


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5966315 - 08/15/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless
implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and
the critical mind - I would be the first patient."
-- Dalai Lama




Honestly, this is a beautifully insightful and honest quote.

The more I think about it the more I like it. He is acknowledging the true state of the evolutionary path we are on and acknowledging the unlimited possibilities we will take on that path.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Icelander]
    #5967430 - 08/15/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i do not understand why dalai lama is trying to avoid negative emotions... what is his purpose in this? is it to suffer less? he is supposedly enlightened, right? if so then he doesn't suffer. if not, suffering is what brings us closer to the divine and the state of non suffering.

buddhism only believe in what they can experience. every spiritual seeker knows suffering is required to progress, because every person on the Path has suffered in some way and learned from it and gotten "higher". i just dont get this quote, or many others by the dalai lama


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: sleepy]
    #5967689 - 08/15/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

thats what im saying.budah,YOU FAT FUCK.but,my religion is star trek.
MANKIND was meant to reach out his hand,move planets,to inherit the stars.budah just sits on his fat ass by comparison.and dont get me started on jesus or muhammed


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5968750 - 08/16/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would be the second patient  :grin:


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5968759 - 08/16/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That's a surprisingly ignorant statement by the Dalai Lama. Negative emotion is as much a part of us a is mirth or happiness or love; it's not a cancer to be cut out. Denying any emotion is to deny Truth.

Negative emotion can lead to positive things. Anger at something unjust can trigger activism to get it changed, for example. The trick is to harness and control emotion and make it serve you rather than the other way around.

Besides, if you managed to remove all negative emotion from all of humanity, we would all end up in squalor, diseased, and dying because it wouldn't bother us. It is BECAUSE of negative emotion that man is motivated to improve himself.

Yin and yang, you can't have one without the other.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5968867 - 08/16/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If people think it's ignorant to improve on God's work, then I suggest that they go back to eating raw meat without the fire to cook it.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: eve69]
    #5968879 - 08/16/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Or go back to shitting in troughs. The urge to improve on God's work is itself the nature of humans. Arguing that someone who wishes to improve the quality of life for all beings is ignorant is itself really ignorant.

Those of you who enjoy suffering, you can have it!!!


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: eve69]
    #5969005 - 08/16/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe emotions are God's work. I don't believe in God to start with. That doesn't change the truth that negative emotions can be a beneficial part of us if we learn to master them.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: eve69]
    #5969011 - 08/16/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. I think our society would be a much better, happier and more productive place if there were less negative emotions.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5969043 - 08/16/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. I think our society would be a much better, happier and more productive place if there were less negative emotions.

So, in that world, if you saw a poor person living on the street, minus negative emotion about it, you'd ignore them and go on your way.

Meanwhile, minus the misery of poverty, the poor person wouldn't try to find a job or go to school because living on the street doesn't feel negative any more than living in a nice home.

Doesn't seem like a better place to me.

Without ugly, there can be no pretty.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5969240 - 08/16/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I agree. I think our society would be a much better, happier and more productive place if there were less negative emotions.

So, in that world, if you saw a poor person living on the street, minus negative emotion about it, you'd ignore them and go on your way.

Meanwhile, minus the misery of poverty, the poor person wouldn't try to find a job or go to school because living on the street doesn't feel negative any more than living in a nice home.

Doesn't seem like a better place to me.

Without ugly, there can be no pretty.






Diploid, you're saying that if a homeless person received such a chip and became free of negative emotions while still possessing intelligence and a critical mind their choice to remain homeless would upset you.

Why do you think it is wrong to be happy and poor at the same time?


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Cherk]
    #5969267 - 08/16/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you think it is wrong to be happy and poor at the same time?

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad to be poor and happy. I'm saying that it's bad to have no negative emotion.

I think this because that condition (the lack of negative emotion) is stagnation. You'd have no reason to improve, make art, find relationships, learn new things. It would be detrimental to the species.

Further, a species with no fear (which is a negative emotion) would sit passively by in bliss until predation shoves it into extinction. That's why all higher organisms have fear, to avoid predators, and why even lower ones like bacteria respond to noxious stimuli by moving away from it.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5969278 - 08/16/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
That's a surprisingly ignorant statement by the Dalai Lama. Negative emotion is as much a part of us a is mirth or happiness or love; it's not a cancer to be cut out. Denying any emotion is to deny Truth.

Negative emotion can lead to positive things. Anger at something unjust can trigger activism to get it changed, for example. The trick is to harness and control emotion and make it serve you rather than the other way around.

Besides, if you managed to remove all negative emotion from all of humanity, we would all end up in squalor, diseased, and dying because it wouldn't bother us. It is BECAUSE of negative emotion that man is motivated to improve himself.

Yin and yang, you can't have one without the other.




For once, we are in agreement.


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5969360 - 08/16/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Why do you think it is wrong to be happy and poor at the same time?

Because that condition is stagnation. You'd have no reason to improve, make art, find relationships, learn new things. It would be detrimental to the species.

Further, a species with no fear (which is a negative emotion) would sit passively by in bliss until predation shoves it into extinction. That's why all higher organisms have fear, to avoid predators, and why even lower ones like bacteria respond to noxious stimuli by moving away from it.




If we are free from negative emotions and our intelligence and critical mind says that we could be better off by becoming extinct then there is no way to prove otherwise. Unless you start talking about a divine plan or a god figure. All discussion around this quote leads to these questions and more:

Is it possible to possess intelligence and a critical mind without negative emotions? Why does he say he would only implant such a chip only if he can keep his intelligence and critical mind? If we cannot feel negative emotions then will the events that normally trigger such emotions become any less meaningful to our intelligence and critical thinking? What would happen over the long term, and can there be any parallels drawn to the predicted long term effects and the evolution of our species?


There are homeless people that help improve society, make art, maintain relationships, and learn new things. Why do they do such things if they have no reason to?


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5969366 - 08/16/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If we remove such negative states then what leads you to believe that such an action will not have an equal and opposite reaction on positive states? Are you at any better of a vantage point than the Lama to make such predictions?


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Diploid]
    #5969482 - 08/16/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Denying any emotion is to deny Truth.

You're entire argument against mysticism seems to fall apart if you take this position.


Edited by MushmanTheManic (08/16/06 01:47 PM)


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5969499 - 08/16/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So... what the fuck does Dr Dalai mean by "negative emotions?"


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5969571 - 08/16/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Diploid said:
Quote:

That's a surprisingly ignorant statement by the Dalai Lama. Negative emotion is as much a part of us a is mirth or happiness or love; it's not a cancer to be cut out. Denying any emotion is to deny Truth.

Negative emotion can lead to positive things. Anger at something unjust can trigger activism to get it changed, for example. The trick is to harness and control emotion and make it serve you rather than the other way around.

Besides, if you managed to remove all negative emotion from all of humanity, we would all end up in squalor, diseased, and dying because it wouldn't bother us. It is BECAUSE of negative emotion that man is motivated to improve himself.

Yin and yang, you can't have one without the other.




exactly

Quote:

"Denying any emotion is to deny Truth."

You're entire argument against mysticism seems to fall apart if you take this position.




Denying anything that is part of the whole is to deny Truth.  It is voluntarily narrowing one's view of reality.  Truth encompasses all, and to ignore part of it because it doesn't feel good is to sink deeper into ignorance.  :levitate:


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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5969738 - 08/16/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You're entire argument against mysticism seems to fall apart if you take this position.

Why?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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