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MushmanTheManic
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Interesting Dalai Lama quote
#5952722 - 08/11/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient." -- Dalai Lama
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leery11
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googling that quote brought this.
http://www.wireheading.com/
but I am not so sure at all. If enlightenment is programmed into you, what happens when you die, having never worked for it? Arguably we have every obligation to eliminate suffering, and technology can and will, but is it proper to allow people to feel bliss, when they have done nothing on their own accord to bring that state about?
So much more can be said of the yogi and the ascetic and the middle path follower than a soma taker ?
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: leery11]
#5953039 - 08/11/06 04:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Dalai Lama is ever in search of any means to end suffering, as he believes that Buddha was foremost a doctor for the ills of cyclic and habitual suffering.
HHDL is an awesome man, perhaps primarily because though he shoulders huge responsibility he does not mask his ignorance of potential solutions for problems with resorting merely to his traditions but leaves room for all others to develop even beyond his own methods, if such is possible. Even promoting all inquiry into any methods for solving suffering of any sort.
I mean, we humans have the power to solve suffering and not just create it, so one may wonder, why don't we?
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thatiAM
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: eve69]
#5953330 - 08/11/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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eve69 said:I mean, we humans have the power to solve suffering and not just create it, so one may wonder, why don't we?
Solve suffering?
2 questions: Why is it a problem/something that needs to be solved? How is that possible?
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No anger = no personal boundaries No shame/guilt = no sense of right and wrong No sadness = no rejuvenation after loss etc.
Every emotion has it's place in a healthy psyche and is there for a reason. It is because this society is emotion-phobic we come up with expressions like 'negative emotions' and the need to control or even erase them.
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he's just goofing around really
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: soulcircus]
#5953475 - 08/11/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that if people are not seeing suffering then they are living with selective filters, and fail to watch the news. Suffering of all sorts is what I am saying can be solved. I sincerely doubt that anyone here does not try to fix suffering, of their own, or others, though often they do not know the means. I mean, ThatIAm, have you not noticed suffering before? Did you not wish you could do something? Then if you did, like say for a cancer patient, did you never wonder why trillions of tax dollars go to making more war and more suffering, when more could go to healthy pursuits? Or not? I suppose if you answer in the negative then you answer my original question, the answer of which would be something to the tune of, people don't notice the suffering of others, don't feel it, or don't care enough about others to want to make them happy.
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: soulcircus]
#5953517 - 08/11/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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soulcircus said:
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thatiAM said:
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eve69 said:I mean, we humans have the power to solve suffering and not just create it, so one may wonder, why don't we?
Solve suffering?
2 questions: Why is it a problem/something that needs to be solved? How is that possible?
life is the movement from suffering to greater happiness and eradicating suffering.
any shortcut that can be taken is rightly acted upon
If you act against the universe then the universe will act back against you.
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thatiAM
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: eve69]
#5953622 - 08/11/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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eve69 said: I think that if people are not seeing suffering then they are living with selective filters, and fail to watch the news. Suffering of all sorts is what I am saying can be solved. I sincerely doubt that anyone here does not try to fix suffering, of their own, or others, though often they do not know the means. I mean, ThatIAm, have you not noticed suffering before? Did you not wish you could do something? Then if you did, like say for a cancer patient, did you never wonder why trillions of tax dollars go to making more war and more suffering, when more could go to healthy pursuits? Or not? I suppose if you answer in the negative then you answer my original question, the answer of which would be something to the tune of, people don't notice the suffering of others, don't feel it, or don't care enough about others to want to make them happy.
Oh, I agree that there is suffering. And I agree that it is human nature to try to do something about it. I am just saying that this entire process is not a problem. Suffering is natural.
Giving money to fund cancer research and stuff is wonderful, as is peace. I am all for peace. I do not condone causing suffering in others, it is quite a wonderful experience to help ease the suffering of others. In fact, I would go as far as to say that all I have ever wanted is for people to be happy. We are all here, being. Why not be happy?
However, suffering is here. Suffering is necessary for happiness. Suffering is not a problem, an errant mark that needs to be erased. This notion is insanity. It is okay to suffer.
Some days the mind suffers, some days it doesn't. It is not up to me to care. That is up to the mind, who is pretty good at throwing fits and being a baby. And that's okay too. The mind does what it does. Life does what it does. Trying to change it because we think it is wrong is insanity. This is the mind attempting to take over nothingness.
I suppose while I am referring to suffering on a more mental level, you are referring more to war and things. Mental suffering will not wash away from humanity. We do not have the technology to solve this.
Here we are, here is this thing called suffering. This thing of wanting what we don't have, or not wanting what we have. Wanting an end to suffering is suffering itself. Wanting freedom from suffering is suffering. Wanting suffering when there is no suffering is suffering. It is not up to me. That is up to the mind. Let it be content, let it suffer. Always learn.
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MushmanTheManic said: "If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient." -- Dalai Lama
Go DL
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eve69
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: Icelander]
#5953858 - 08/11/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay. Got you. Thanks for that.
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: thatiAM]
#5954462 - 08/11/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Suffering is a result of a seperation from non-duality, suffering comes from a wrong point of view. if the point of view is incorrect then the suffering is just another illusion.when you dissolve into non-duality you achieve what is only the natural effect of the momentum created by rapid physical,mental, and spiritual evolution. the illusion is dissipated; its like a light coming on instantly in a room scattering the darkness. suffering was never really good or bad anyways because it is inseperable from emptiness.
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thatiAM
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: ShroomDoom]
#5954594 - 08/11/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: Suffering is a result of a seperation from non-duality, suffering comes from a wrong point of view. if the point of view is incorrect then the suffering is just another illusion.when you dissolve into non-duality you achieve what is only the natural effect of the momentum created by rapid physical,mental, and spiritual evolution. the illusion is dissipated; its like a light coming on instantly in a room scattering the darkness. suffering was never really good or bad anyways because it is inseperable from emptiness.
Likewise, the point of view was never wrong or right. It is simply a transitory point of view before the infinite storm of okayness hits A necessary point of view, a wonderful point of view, a fantabulous point of view! Then...
Empty.
Irrelevance___
closing eyes point of view goes away
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BlueCoyote
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We should implant something in the heads to those who cause suffering, not to those who recieve it.
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5961824 - 08/14/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: We should implant something in the heads to those who cause suffering, not to those who recieve it.
What when 'those' are on and the same!?
 
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leery11
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: BlueCoyote]
#5962433 - 08/14/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: We should implant something in the heads to those who cause suffering, not to those who recieve it.
we all cause suffering though.
have you ever eaten meat for instance?
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: leery11]
#5963516 - 08/14/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea,i have to reitterate.he's just goofing with us at this point.hes probably in Dubai right now sking on an artificial snowslope.then off to meet with kerry for brunch.religion is the stupid opiate of the masses
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leery11
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: jungjedi]
#5963552 - 08/14/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Buddhism is kind of an anti-religion if you study its basic structure and look at the branches that have disdain for authority.
Buddhism in the western world is more of psychedelic for the masses too if you ask me.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: Interesting Dalai Lama quote [Re: leery11]
#5964009 - 08/14/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: We should implant something in the heads to those who cause suffering, not to those who recieve it.
we all cause suffering though.
have you ever eaten meat for instance?
Eating meat doesn't automatically equal suffering to the animals. There are ways to minimize suffering to the animals while eating them. Those who don't care about the sufferings while they act should be implanted
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