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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: rubixcubies]
#7133912 - 07/05/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can you be slightly autistic, or you are or aren't?
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7133966 - 07/05/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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come again?
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: rubixcubies]
#7134014 - 07/05/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having Asperger's Syndrome is like being slightly Autistic, I think
Which is what they said I am
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: The Crow]
#7134030 - 07/05/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting, gonna read up on that now.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7134085 - 07/05/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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they say theres a whole like spectrum of different degrees of it sorta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autistic_spectrum
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: rubixcubies]
#7134210 - 07/05/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i find it all quite interesting.
the idiot savant so to speak. maybe interesting in reality, like the potential of your brother, maybe interesting only in concept, unwieldy notions of a 'regular' (if tripping) person.
i read the curious incident of the dog in the night time deliberately during a psychotic break i suffered (such cold reasoning to do so, mad as i may have generally been at the time... actually it was just mad with a fever of it all, not beyond recovery, nor rediscovering my composure) and it contained many parallels i was quick to relate to my circumstances, or feelings, or condition. Then, much contained parallels.
This bears no relation to the idiot savant question, or the impaired master (only impaired to our eyes, to this realm etc...)
For me it is a dark, elusive, and torturously wonderful conception. This dreaming life. When we close our eyes, are they the ones on the other side, experiencing a radiance of bliss? Eternally enlightened beings on the other side of the same wheel? Perhaps we are their less controllable dreams, like the ones we view and experience whilst sleeping in our beds. Does radiance sometimes break across your room as you wake? Is it sustained by simple childish bedroom activity, by which I mean contentment in the scene, whatever way you may occupy yourself further within it? Are we then masters? All these answers and more here at the shroomery but they don't ever last long as profound consciousness, or so it might feel. Here I am confused again.
Like I said, I have a sometime fascination with similar notions. (the down syndrome gates of heaven...)
further to that i'll say something maybe a little controversial. background first: i used to spend friday afternoons as a child at school next door, at a special school. kind of play-learning-teaching with children suffering from down syndrome (by the way my brain just had to take a look at that sentence, enunciating the word 'suffering' in its buddhist connotations to itself). So anyway i spent a lot of time with them as it turned out, the same friday routine over two years.
erm, actually im not going anywhere with this, other than to try and mitigate the fantastical claim forthcoming right about now. spastic good and evil? sorry i shouldnt use that word it isn't kosher anymore. but seriously, a lot of the downs syndrome children you will ever meet will have that sunny radiant happiness about them. like someone on here once said, maybe a true reflection on the innocence of the human soul or spirit. once though, when working at a checkout as a teenager, an elderly parent and his disabled (i'll hold the inverted commas for now) son passed through, and... it was like he was the down syndrome anti-christ. fuck guys i dont feel guilty about much but i do a bit right now. seriously and thats it, just had a look of evil in his eyes and was uttering a terrible moan and staring with dark intent at me and much of that around him. it makes me think of like a one in fifty polarity or something. perhaps its relevant to people who don't suffer the condition. are there are actually genuinely evil people out there, just doing their 'thing'? but its better concealed, in our world of fabrication and personality... a frightening thought maybe, but certainly one that empowers me to empower myself with game.
i am aware this is quite a massive tangent. i feel now reflecting on what i've written, and thinking back to my time at that school that maybe i've experienced an extraordinary mirror of the world of sentient human life at large. not all the kids were sunny and full of light. some were just sort of ok, some seemed a bit unhappy. i guess the bright ones are just more memorable... again, kind of like us. and then that one evil seeming person... i hope he was just a bit poorly.
so what the fuck am i trying to say?
hmm basically i feel most like i am truly flying in moments of unthinking creation. guitar, writing, conversation, impressing someone special and seeing their eyes reflect your brightest feathers... is that a kind of autism? at the guitar the most beautiful stuff sometimes happens when i let go, and im sure some of you can agree. trying to remember it and suddenly... its not so happy anymore, so do autistic people never suffer that pain? so is unthinking creation of absolute beauty the zenith? (probably) So then the mind is no longer in its almost 'autistic' control and its suffering and grasping again, in some thought loop - 'so i pressed that string then i hammered that one but it doesn't sound the same...'
one last thing then
thinking back to the eyes of some of those kids, playing the mirroring drama game with them, when they grab your hands (i remember one guy in particular, he had snot dribbling down his lip!) in their eyes sometimes - nothing but radiance of spirit. the application of their mind to the here and now in wonderous ardency and quite beautiful explicitness of an eternal moment, experienced quite simply (for reason good or ill) by a single human being. i know downs syndrome is very different to autism but these are my thoughts on it and they are relevant.
maybe you all see what im trying to say and how it fits.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7134385 - 07/05/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: Can you be slightly autistic, or you are or aren't?
My girlfriend works with autistic kids and kids with other neurological disorders. There are different degrees of autism.
It's actually becoming a modern-day epidemic, I don't know the numbers but they're staggering as compared to 20 years ago. Many researchers are on the case, and alternative therapies such as hyperbaric chamber therapy have been showing to help lessen the severity of autism. Innoculations given to babies and their high mercury content are showing to be main causes of it. That's why they tell pregnant women not to eat tuna fish and other high-mercury foods.
Autism is essentially a failure of the body to excrete mercury. We do it normally through hair growth, but autistic people retain it and it connects to their spine, disrupting normal neurological functionality. Seeing a child with a high degree of autism is extremely sad. While "interesting" to see the "idiot sevant" aspect of it, they will never be able to take care of themselves. Unfortunately, you never see how serious this problem is getting on the news because like any other ailment, drug companies are making money off of the medicine. Some of these parents who have "normal" children to say the age of 2, and all of a sudden notice that their children can no longer focus or even have eye contact with them is heart-breakingly sad. It's like the child dies in a way, but they're still living and breathing.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: DrCamacho89]
#7134512 - 07/05/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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DrCamacho89 said: . Autism is essentially a failure of the body to excrete mercury. We do it normally through hair growth, but autistic people retain it and it connects to their spine, disrupting normal neurological functionality. Seeing a child with a high degree of autism is extremely sad. While "interesting" to see the "idiot sevant" aspect of it, they will never be able to take care of themselves. Unfortunately, you never see how serious this problem is getting on the news because like any other ailment, drug companies are making money off of the medicine. Some of these parents who have "normal" children to say the age of 2, and all of a sudden notice that their children can no longer focus or even have eye contact with them is heart-breakingly sad. It's like the child dies in a way, but they're still living and breathing.
Man, don't politicise your thoughts against mine like that.
You are coming from a more emotive place and I can respect that, but I have to criticise the sentence in which you disenfranchise part of my post to simply add a rather non-sequiteur ish sentiment into an amalgamated critique.
You express a sadness of the condition well. I am not familiar with it beyond one piece of literature, so consider myself educated in your light.
You weren't direct in your critique of my post and thoughts but I feel it necessary to defend it in the circumstances of your tack and the context of the pub.
I don't know if you read to the end but that comment was rounded into the idea of the thoughtless perceiver, the regular man at his zenith. This would be more appropriate in the P&S or MRP perhaps, but yet stands vindicated in accordance with the original poster's speculation.
I don't mean to fnnarr and i respect your post's orchestration as a more emotionally involved response.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Jackenobi]
#7134534 - 07/05/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't reply to your post. To be honest, I didn't read all of it. 
Don't take it so personally.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Jackenobi]
#7134547 - 07/05/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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oh and i need to admit that i was mostly stung by my own blase attitude as reflected back at me by my words arranged thusly in speech marks.
and now im going to bed, peace out.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: Jackenobi]
#7134586 - 07/05/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Firstoff , for people to be able to control other people's minds, they have to be Mind controlled by an alien. This alien-being is about 100 billion light years away in some distant galaxy... See, aliens can communicate and even control minds over vast distances of space. So vast, it's incomprehensable to most human's. and these are the people that alien's target for mind control. Now its the people with the third eye wide open, that aliens cannot penetrate their minds so easily.and that's why we can communicate, but cannot be mind controlled. OH yea, and those autistic kids... Well they're Fucked!
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: danlennon3]
#7134603 - 07/05/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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What the fuck is everybody smoking tonight? Substance D?
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: DrCamacho89]
#7135665 - 07/06/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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kilocaps of d...
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: truekimbo2]
#7811449 - 12/29/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: in my view, poeple with asperger's being more drawn to "cold logical studies" is an example of thier being more in tune with reality (and by extension true human nature). i think the reason the subtlety of human interactions is beyond thier perception is because most of human interaction is a shared, simplified illusion of what reality is supposed to be.
i'm unsure if they're aware of these illusions and choose to ignore them, or are actually unaware of them. i tend to think the former, but for my theory either would work.
edit: i have no evidence, this is just a theory based on observation. if you're interested in my theory, watch autistics very closely and look into thier eyes and if see if there is anything to discover.
I agree, I don't know how to put it into better words right now, I'm too tired to
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edit: i encourage you to watch autistic poeple closely and look them square in the eyes and hopefully you'll see what i'm talking about.
Kay, as first hand experience being asperger, I can say you'll have a hard time meeting face to face with an autistic. It's very uncomfortable to do it for prolonged periods of time.
That's why I enjoyed stare outs. It's the only social way I can closely look at someone's face without it being creepy.
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Re: autistic people are mind controlling everyone. [Re: truekimbo2]
#7811483 - 12/29/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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tis probley true.
i think im autistic in some strange way. not sure how though but ill explain why i think this...
when i was younger, in 1st through 3rd grade, i had to go to "special classes" BUT i didn't struggle with my school work, in fact, school has always been extremely easy for me. the other kids in this "special class" had problems with their school work.
in 4th grade, my school teacher had me stand up in class and basically told everyone that i am different and that i "take things in"/"learn differently" than everyone else.
i've always known deep down inside that i am different in some way, i cant really put my finger on it, but i do feel that i find out a little more each day.
and yes, at times i REALLY do think that i have control over people in some strange way. i've always noticed this. strange you made this post. a few days ago i was going to make a post titled "am i retarded?" and tell everyone about the "special classes" and how my teacher had me stand up in front of the class. very strange indeed...maybe i somehow made you make it.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: truekimbo2]
#8305110 - 04/19/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Linear time is an illusion. I have worked with autistic people as a glorified baby-sitter for adult autistics. My experience is that they don't mind control but don't like human contact and being around people in general and loud noises are extreemly irratating to them. I have some autistic qualities myself and a lot of your post of this theory explains a lot of what my life is like and how it effects people has far more truth to it then a psychologist could ever come up with.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: rubixcubies]
#8305284 - 04/19/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Referring to the original post, babies have many more neural pathways in their brains than adults do, and as you grow older, the pathways that aren't stimulated get cut off. An autistic kid with not as much interaction with people and culture would probably not develop the same as a normal child, and their minds would probably be predominated by more basic abilities. Just a thought?
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: AgingHippy]
#8305360 - 04/19/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone remember Stretch Armstrong?
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: AgingHippy]
#8305643 - 04/19/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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teefizzle said: Referring to the original post, babies have many more neural pathways in their brains than adults do, and as you grow older, the pathways that aren't stimulated get cut off. An autistic kid with not as much interaction with people and culture would probably not develop the same as a normal child, and their minds would probably be predominated by more basic abilities. Just a thought?
yeah, i don't know if they actually have the ability to like send out mental waves or whatever. i think one theory i had was they were just "realer" than us because they weren't stuck in the imagination, and the "realer" the subconscious message you give someone, the more powerful the suggestive ability of the message...
i think that was my general idea, or it could have just been too much drugs FTL.
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Re: autistic poeple are mind controlling everyone. [Re: truekimbo2]
#8306015 - 04/19/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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so all in all its safe to say with all the technology and culture autistics will always be more prone to emotion and body language is what I'm gettin at tho ihave to say after shroomn a bunch I seemd to have less bounds in my own body language whether its terets or jus plain reactin to conversation on thing is for sure that I'm not as stone faced as I once was...
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