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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5975539 - 08/18/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't doubt it if the government simply wishes to make cases for eliminating prepaid cell phones, because the government is more capable of exercising control over its citizens when the citizens' activities and behaviors are associated with a singular identity. The more comprehensive profile they have on you, the more able they are to control you, profit from you, and gain from you.

Of course, the more of an established identity you have on file, that file being used by others to make decisions that pertain to you (whether or not you will be imprisoned, if you should be given a job opportunity, if the credit or insurance agency should gamble with your life), the less able one will be to transform oneself, to grow and evolve.

For example, if you have bad credit, it is more difficult to seize opportunities to establish good credit. Getting caught with marijuana paraphenilia when you were eighteen might prevent you from getting a job when you are 25. Etc. etc. etc. etc.

Its no small wonder that the Internet will become more and more regulated, that anonymous means of sharing information such as prepaid cell phones will suffer from propaganda agansit, and that the government will seek to enhance identity cards and databanks.

They want to know exactly who you are so that they can control you for their own benefit. :wink:

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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5975813 - 08/18/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting analysis, but if the government wanted to manufacture a reason to get rid of pre-paid phones, why were all the charges dropped in both cases? If there was some sinister conspiracy, they could have easily manufactured evidence of a "terrorist link" and sent those "damn A-rabs" to Guantanomo Bay without legal recourse and the ability to communicate with the outside world, thus solidifing their supposed guilt in the eyes of the American public and accomplishing the goal of abolishing this mode of communication.

Also, I bet the NSA is under orders to monitor these so-called "anonymous" phones anyway.

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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: Vvellum]
    #5975851 - 08/18/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I'm not proposing a conspiracy theory as an actuality, simply saying that I wouldn't doubt it if it was happening. :wink:

I'm not so sure that they would manufacture events in such a way, but I think it is typical to see events spinned, just as I spinned it into the issue that I did. :lol:

A common expression is that "terrorism" is simply a way that the government tries to gain more control over its people, and perhaps this is an extension of that. I'm simply just speculating, making it seem as though I actually have something valid to contribute to this forum that I have been lurking in. :smirk:

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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: Vvellum]
    #5975855 - 08/18/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, I bet the NSA is under orders to monitor these so-called "anonymous" phones anyway.




Even if they are it would still be a difficult matter to pinpoint who's voice is on the prepaid phone. Not that they couldn't, but they surely can't have a audio file of everyone's voice.


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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5976921 - 08/18/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

that's true, but I'm sure that the audio is being data-mined for information. I can see fireworksgod's point about the powers-that-be wishing these phones be eliminated.

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Re: Two arrested in Dearborn [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5978888 - 08/19/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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bi0 said:
oh, a personal attack. is that all you've got? :lol: I know you're more clever than that.




That's not really an attack.  Come on, even you have to admit that no one has come up with any better explanation than that these guys were assholes with some bad ideas that they were acting on.  You're spinning around like a top trying desperately to come up with some excuse for these guys.  It's sad really.  If you're gonna buy 1,000 cell phones you do it wholesale, one stop shopping for half price.  Only problem is, you have to leave your name.  Uhoh.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it almost certainly is a duck.  These fine upstanding entrepreneurs will probably be relocating soon, since their cover is blown.




So wait, you *ARE* aware that both these guys were released, right?  You know they ARENT terrorists, and that they *DID* have reason to buy these phones, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/15/cell.phone.terror.arrests.ap/index.html


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