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OfflineCptnGarden
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watts per ounce?
    #5949301 - 08/09/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ok I was wondering what the minimum of watts woulds be to produce an ounce per plant, if say u had only 3 in veg and were using shoplights for veg and SL's+CFL's for flower?

would 10k to 12k of lumens be sufficient for 3 plants to grow one ounce each?

this is all speaking theoreticaly, and it tickles my interest.

I know weight really depends on how well you grow your plant, but with a fair amount of experience, some good quality soil, and your basic knowledge of pot cultivation with some supercropping and pest extras, is the 10-12k/3ounces possible?


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949309 - 08/09/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

forgot to add they are two 48" shoplights with one daylight(blue spectrum) and one sunlight(red spectrum) bulb each.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949514 - 08/10/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Instead of talking about watts per ounce Lets talk about it in this way: measuring grams per watt...pretty standard :wink:

Now, if we are talking about grams per watt we aren't talking about lumens, we are talking about watts.  I'll get to lumens later. 

1 gram per 1 watt is watt (chuckle) growers shoot for and is a pretty damn good yield.  A 400w light has around 55,000 lumens I think, so lets break it down to lumens...

If you get 1g/1w from a 400w light then you get 400g/55,000lumen = 1g/137.5 lumens.

If you have 10,000lumens then you'll get 10,000lumens/137.5lumens per gram so you'll get 72 grams.  divide that by 28 grams/ounce and you get 2.57 ounces.

This being said, I'll say another thing.  You need alot of practice to get 1g/1w.  Another thing to note is that growers, in general, get a better g/w ratio when they use a higher wattage light.  This is because the luminosity (lumens) is more intense (more lumens per watt in 1000w bulb than a 400w bulb), meaning more light is able to penetrate the lower growth, which makes more buds.  That being said, HID (high intensity discharge) lights are able to output more lumens per watt so they are better than shoplights or flourescents, even if the shoplights or flourescents they have a suitable spectrum for growing plants.

Conclusion, it is pretty unreasonable for a first time grower to achieve 3 ounces from a 10,000 lumen light source that is not HID.  What is the total wattage of these lights??

I hope this is a satisfactory answer.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949542 - 08/10/06 01:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
forgot to add they are two 48" shoplights with one daylight(blue spectrum) and one sunlight(red spectrum) bulb each.




Send back the shop lights and go with a HID massive difference like night and day. :sun:


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Dety]
    #5949623 - 08/10/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

fuck HID

lets just say that theoreticaly the people that would be growing it are poor, and can barely put dinner on the table every night even with the help of foodstamps. also one does not have a lump sum of a few hundred to spend on this. this person consumes 1 ounce per month due to quite painful issues, and cant afford his medicine anymore. 12$ a month electric for a couple of shoplights is much better than $200+ a month for 1000W HPS.

and in a dinky closet space a HPS would cause too much heat.

a shoplight fixture, 80watts and 5300 lumens worth of bulbs covering both sides of the spectrum, cost 30$.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949630 - 08/10/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well 2.57 ounces a month is great, and im sure i could do it.

the lumens would be flexible cause if i can find my better cfls i can crank up the lumens another 6k or so.

the shoplight bulbs are 40watt, and each fixture holds two.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949644 - 08/10/06 02:14 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This is not true HID comes in MUCH lower watts then 1000!

Use a 250 watt HID it would murder the fuck out of those fluorescent lights!

Trust me HID vs fluorescent is no match at all i have used both. If you have seen even a lower watt HID in action you would immediately know what i mean.

Growing pot under fluorescents is ALMOST worthless.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949648 - 08/10/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomieOfDoomie said:
well 2.57 ounces a month is great, and im sure i could do it.

the lumens would be flexible cause if i can find my better cfls i can crank up the lumens another 6k or so.

the shoplight bulbs are 40watt, and each fixture holds two.




You have to understand that those shoplights only work VERY VERY VERY close to the plant as a 400 watt HID will work efficiently to almost 4 feet.

Scrap the shoplights you will be VERY dissipointed with the entire grow.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Dety]
    #5949653 - 08/10/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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well 2.57 ounces a month is great, and im sure i could do it.




With four 40 watt shop lights?

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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5949912 - 08/10/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Is the 50 watts per square foot thing fairly standard? Is there any benefit to going over that?


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5950009 - 08/10/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Dude you can take the shop lights and line a closet with them put like ten bulbs in and it would be like a phototron. But the heat generated would be unberable for the plants without major ventelation.




minds eye yeah there is a benefit of going up to 60 watts. Every little bit counts.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5950088 - 08/10/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

2.57 ounces per grow cycle, which is every 3-4 months...not every month.

You are paying $30 per 80 watts of light? That's 2.67watts per dollar.  You can get a 400w hps for $140 = 2.86 watts per dollar!!

Yields on the 400w would theoretically give you 3 oz of smoke per month to burn.  Also, KwH prices in Ca (one of the most expensive places to buy electric power) are about 15 cents per KwH. 

1 month of veg (18 hours of light per day) equals:

30 days * 18 hours * .4Kw * $0.15 = $32.4

plus 60 days flower (12 hours light per day):

60 days * 12 hours * .4Kw * $0.15 = $43.2

Total run cost for 90 days of operation and a potential yield of 400 grams = $75.6.

Cost of initial system is $140.  Total cost for system and 1 run = $215.6.  I could set up month by month analysis but basically, you can get 400 grams for the price of a cheap as fuck ounce.  Then you can repeate the process for years.

Now, if you are worried about heat, think about getting a 250w hps or even lower.  I've laid out all of the information you need to calculate run cost per any system, good luck.

Also, if the USA (sucks) why are you on food stamps :rolleyes:.  If it sucks so much why are you letting the system help you.  Don't bite the hand that feeds you  :thumbdown:


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5950185 - 08/10/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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ShroomieOfDoomie said:
fuck HID





Enjoy growing nothing until you change that attitude.

We grow with HID's because they work.

To answer your original question, it's not hard to get a pound from a single 600w HPS.

You shop lights might yeild an ounce of popcorn fluff buds.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Hanky]
    #5950406 - 08/10/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

AFOAF just did a "shop light grow" and he asked me why the plants were so small....I mean he still got potent ass bud but not as much if would of used a hid...


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: TODAY]
    #5950599 - 08/10/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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TODAY said:
2.57 ounces per grow cycle, which is every 3-4 months...not every month.

You are paying $30 per 80 watts of light? That's 2.67watts per dollar.  You can get a 400w hps for $140 = 2.86 watts per dollar!!

Yields on the 400w would theoretically give you 3 oz of smoke per month to burn.  Also, KwH prices in Ca (one of the most expensive places to buy electric power) are about 15 cents per KwH. 

1 month of veg (18 hours of light per day) equals:

30 days * 18 hours * .4Kw * $0.15 = $32.4

plus 60 days flower (12 hours light per day):

60 days * 12 hours * .4Kw * $0.15 = $43.2

Total run cost for 90 days of operation and a potential yield of 400 grams = $75.6.

Cost of initial system is $140.  Total cost for system and 1 run = $215.6.  I could set up month by month analysis but basically, you can get 400 grams for the price of a cheap as fuck ounce.  Then you can repeate the process for years.

Now, if you are worried about heat, think about getting a 250w hps or even lower.  I've laid out all of the information you need to calculate run cost per any system, good luck.

Also, if the USA (sucks) why are you on food stamps :rolleyes:.  If it sucks so much why are you letting the system help you.  Don't bite the hand that feeds you  :thumbdown:




man thanks for the conversions but shut the fuck up you dick, im on foodstamps cause my liver and gall bladder are failing me and im out of work, hurting, vomiting blood, and sick as fuck. I get 40% of my total nutrients, my body cant even digest rice! I cant have any oily or fatty foods so im restricted to a very expensive healthfood diet.
I have 80$ in my pocket to last me months and months and months, and whatever cash comes through is made by my GF to keep this house together.

you guys dont understand my situation, HID is out of the question, stop laughing and snarling and being a dick about it!
im hurtin an i dont care how much comes off, just asking if with proper care it was possible to gain an O per plant.
maybe ill go to hg420 where i can get some answers without getting laughed at and scolded for eating.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5950682 - 08/10/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry man. I didn't know your situation. Honestly, sorry, I retract my dickery. We cool?


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: TODAY]
    #5950709 - 08/10/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

were cool. sorry for going off myself.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5951755 - 08/10/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If your so in the hole right now, maybe you shouldn't smoke a 1/4 a week? I mean maybe just cut down a bit to save on cash, then you'll have more money for food, rent, what not. Why not just get some sort of other herb that can help you with your stress and problems? Valerian? Kava? Kratom? Seems like a lot of work for your girlfriend to support you guys (Not trying to flame you at all, please don't take it that way)


I'm here to say though to achieve any decent amount from fluoros you are going to need ATLEAST (not kidding) three of the 48" double housings that you own. Keeping the lights within an 1" or 2 to the top of the plant at all times in vegative growth (with a good fan on them to help them grow stronger and to keep the heat from getting to them) and then budding on a 12/12 for 65 (give or take) you will come out with about 3/4 oz per plant. Deffinitly not worth it (speaking from experience). After a while we added more until we had I think six or seven 48" double 40w housings which totalled around 550 - 600w total. After It was all said and done, the quality deffinitly improved with the more light. they vegged and grew overall faster, but the one thing that you can't get rid of on fluros is fluffyness. You'll have big colas that look like they will be plentiful, but will actually dry out considerably and be very airy/fluffy. With all those fluros there was probably 1oz per plant, but that is a lot of light bulbs. Don't get me wrong, there has been some terrific herb that came from fluros, but the only way to achieve denseness in your buds is to use a Sodium or other HID light, atleast during flowering. A 250w is even a great choice which will help the buds fill out MUCH better than fluros ever will.

Hope this helped!


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: AKSE]
    #5952140 - 08/10/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i was considering one of those small sunburst models, i think we could get by with the two shoplights, one on each side, and a 250W above it all, or a 175W. eBay does have some nice little lights.

every morning i wake up, i feel like im gonna vomit cause my gall contracts for a while. i smoke to keep it at bay, cause the belladonna alks/phenobarbital they gave me makes me feel like even more shit, and trip out. I thought this bag of rice was my cat and I was petting it, i hate the pills. when i get back on my feet i have the opportunity to get 30$/hr running a landscaping crew, this is just to get me blazin through these rainy days.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5952199 - 08/10/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Check out home depot for those screw in 40w Compact fluoresent bulbs. Iv used them for cacti and salvia and they work all right. What do you have for ventilation?? The Rotron Patriot is a good cheap fan dont pay more than 20 or 30 bucks for it, iv seen boxes of em at army surplus places for around a dollar a piece.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Legoulash]
    #5952226 - 08/10/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i have no fan, i have no plants yet even.

things will fall together in time, im more worried abought lighting. ive got little clamp lights with cones and CFL's in there which are 28watt, 36watt, quite a few of em.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5952544 - 08/10/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My lowryder grow was done under floros, but they were T5's.

Still, the smoke is decent, I would recommend a scrog or lowryder if your using Floros. The reason Is that Floro lights will only penetrate 3-5 inches. If you just let them grow normally, the bottom buds will receive NO usable light.

I would also suggest
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums
http://www.icmag.com/ic/index.php?

Although it might take you forever to get fully registered (took me 5 weeks, but that was right after the OG flood)


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5952582 - 08/10/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

FYI
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I would recomend Dr seeds, only b/c they came though for me, but I enjoy both sites. Im also sure that ICMAG is located in Europe.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5952639 - 08/10/06 11:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i use both, but i prefer hg420 over icmag.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5954404 - 08/11/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

why dont you pick up some 125w cfls, they put out quite a bang and setups are affordable in your case.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Ebb]
    #5955037 - 08/11/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

maybe, but i cant really spend all that 80$ on lights, somes gotta go to other things. so ill just sick with what i got and see how things turn out. if i come across any deals in the meantime, ill check em out.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5955087 - 08/11/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Farmtek carries 125w Fluoros that fit in a STANDARD socket, no mogul socket needed for $32 bucks.

A friend of mine just grew two ounce of chocolate chunk from 4 plants in a small SWC under one of them, and an extra 49w bulb from the Depot.

http://www.farmtek.com/webapp/wcs/stores...%7C17156&isDoc=


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5955261 - 08/11/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what would one of those bulbs fit in? where would i get the right socket? my cfls run on regular cones bought from the hardware store. i would think that would cause a fire with one of those.

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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5956701 - 08/12/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Positive.

Those clamps lights that you get from Depot is what my friend used. He just got rid of that stupid aluminum reflector. If you look at the ad, it says it right there


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5956763 - 08/12/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it says incandescent light sockets, i didnt know what that meant exactly. i mean incandescent means light created by heat, no? but thats what lights are! i dunno... confused here...

when my girlfriend gets off work, ill have her consider a 125W, cause I get the bitchsmack if I dont talk it over first lol


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5957085 - 08/12/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Incandescent bulbs are just regular old light bulbs, the same kind these CFL's replace.

There is absolutely no danger in running one of these. Its no different than running a plain old light bulb, except you get more lumens and less heat.

A 250w HPS doesnt get that hot, and if you air cool it, it will be cooler than the fluoros. Not to mention, you can pull 3 - 8 ozs off of it, as opposed to 1 or 2. That means you could grow 2 or 3 times a year, making you more secure than a smaller grow running all year round.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5957233 - 08/12/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

what if i were to say, use one 80watt shoplight setup and a 75 watt MH to veg out some beauties, and then use the 75watt MH and the 125W CFL to flower 6 plants, wouldn't that get me at least a QP?

I also have another 32W cone that has grown two 2gram plants in a month so I know if I clamped that next to a nug it would dense it up.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5957238 - 08/12/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In my opinion, it would be really awkward to use a CFL and HID in combination. Why get a 75w MH and 125w CFL and have 2 lights?

Just go with an aircooled 250HPS for veg and flower. Have one light, harvest 3 - 8 ozs every 2 months. Couldnt be simpler.


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: InjectTruth]
    #5957672 - 08/12/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ok i just had an offer on a 150hps. i think ill go for that with flower. would it be so wrong to use MH & HPS?


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5957691 - 08/12/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

MH is for veg HPS is for flowering....Would be nothing wrong using both. :sun:


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Re: watts per ounce? [Re: Dety]
    #5957724 - 08/12/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Completely off topic but I was wondering if you wanted to chat privately about your medical condition. I think maybe with my background I could offer some assistance.

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