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Foul_Breath
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Heart racing with pot theory
#5947614 - 08/09/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now, several people have mentioned this phenomenon (that while smoking the heart feels like it is beating very rapidly- dangerously so). I've been conducting some experiments and obviously since i'm not a trained professional they shouldn't be considered absolute truths, but I personally think it sheds some light.
Next time you smoke pot and you feel like your heart is racing incredibly, simply check your pulse. If we are even slighly genetically similar (which we should because i'm assuming you're all humans ), you should notice that you're heart isn't actually beating as fast as you imagine it is. To put it simply, your perceptions are skewed because you're currently baked and something feels like it is beating at a very high level and you automatically assume it is your heart. I've tried this with several friends of mine who also complained about this and were getting very paranoid and felt like they were going to have a heart attack. They were pleasantly surprised to find out that it was all in their imagination.
For example, one particular time when I had gotten very, very high (you all know how it is ). I was conviced that there were ping pong balls bouncing around in my head until I finally realized that it was my heart beating hahaha, great times.
I'd appreciate any comments, and thanks for reading.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5947656 - 08/09/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think smoking weed increases your pulse even thought it feels like it. I think that more blood is just pumping through your veins than normal, kind of like when your real stoned and u can feel all the blood vessels in your scalp. I dont know if thats blood pressure or metabolism thats increased.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5948387 - 08/09/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that getting really baked greatly increases the onset of panic attacks. It has happened to me, I'm so baked and I'm convinced my heart is going too fast. Something is wrong, ohmy god why is myheart going so fast, etc etc. Panic attack :P hyperventilate
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: Foul_Breath]
#5948419 - 08/09/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I often find myself checking my pulse while high. Weed causes me to get intense pulsating waves throughout my body and it feels as though it is coming from my chest. Checking my heart rate though I find that my pulse is usually less than half the rate of the intense pulsating I am experiencing. If you relax and allow yourself to feel the buzz the intensity will often subside and feelings of euphoria will overcome you.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: PowerTrip]
#5948568 - 08/09/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most hallucinogens do raise your heart rate. If you think your pulse is racing and you care enough to check how fast it really is the greater chance that whole though process will actually give you some anxiety, even if you are not really frightened(excited would be a good word to use). Most people I know do have an increaced heart rate when smoking pot. It just comes with the territory for some people. More so for those who trip out on weed due to years of using hallucinogens.
My heart is unusually close to my ribcage, so you can imagine the kinds of odd problems I have occasionally had with weed or hallucinogens. Its not a problem, but if im on any drug there is no way I can mistake my heart rate. Unless--------> what follows
An interesting note..... When on lets say a high dose of lsd, the heart does jump up a few beats per min at least. But when it starts beating really fast its easy to misinterpret how fast its really going. It beats as if you were running, but what you hear is two times that. The reason for this is that when the heart is beating fast there is less time between each beat. So, being very sensative when on psychedelics you can feel both parts of one heart beat. You count both "bump-bumps". This has really weirded me out on lsd and mushrooms before. As if my heart rate was not high enough already.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: yageman]
#5948673 - 08/09/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really the heart rate can be increased by addreline, the fight/flight signal that goes off in your brain, because
a) your parnoid about your health, heart, or whatever
b) your mind is telling the body to panic or brace itself, due to this parnoia
I'd say cut back on smoking, or perfect your methods, until you can master your parnoia, and maybe doing experiments like your doing can help clear up some of these issues
because heart attacks are usually signaled by the heaviness of the chest and shoulder area, its not so much about it being raised to metoblic high, its more to do with blood pressure, one test you might want to check is, those blood pressure gages at the departments stores, check whether your blood pressure numbers go up when your high, compared when your sober, if its significantly higher, then maybe your heart is being overtaxed,
usually heart attacks are more symptomatic towards stimulants like coke, and meth., not so much as with bud, acid, or mdma.
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yageman
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: capliberty]
#5948716 - 08/09/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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a) your parnoid about your health, heart, or whatever
b) your mind is telling the body to panic or brace itself, due to this parnoia. ---------------------------------------------------- "your" B does not have to rely on A to exist(this paranoia factor)........ Thats just not logical....
SOme peoples bodies react very strongly to hallucinogens. SOme people are not worried about anything and there is a marked increase in heart rate. They are not even worried about their heart rate or have no other form of paranoia, but still the drug simply makes the heart beat faster. Ofcourse, for some people this is more purely mental than "psychosomatic(or based on bodily reactions to a change in perception which could when tripping, be for an undefinable reason)". Changes in the perceptions of nerve signals within the brain dont have to involve paranoia as you speak of it capliberty. The body can just simply react to these changes. Just depends on who you are. Although a change in heart rate kind of goes hand in hand with psychedelic use.
If they have had an extreem heart rate before on any given drug, they are more likely to have that happen again.
Its a defense mechanism that comes on in a variety of ways.
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Edited by yageman (08/09/06 08:48 PM)
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: capliberty]
#5948717 - 08/09/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats a nice integra,I really wish It was RWD...like my 240sx
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: capliberty]
#5948727 - 08/09/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's because you take too high of a dose. Over a certain limit, your heart starts to race and you get paranoid thoughts which account for most people's negative reactions. I always get this kind of cannabis psychosis when I take one bowl too many.
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yageman
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: KingDavid]
#5948735 - 08/09/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your heart pumps faster when dealing with changes in cognition. Even when you know and are comfortable with the fact that these changes in cognition are just part of the experience. It does not have to involve paranoia.
Although paranoia is probably responsible for most racing hearts, it is not responsible for all symptoms involving an elevated heart rate.......
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Edited by yageman (08/09/06 08:54 PM)
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: PowerTrip]
#5948792 - 08/09/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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My 2 cents on some of the body sensations while high is that pot heightens the sensitivity of sensory neurons, (who hasn't caught themselves stroking their arms or whatever 'cos it felt amazing while stoned?) so what you're feeling when you feel those pulses coming from your heart is your blood vessels stretching with each pulse of blood. I've felt my intestines sliding past each other and my liver rubbing against my stomach while high and i must say its quite a weird sensation. (well i don't know for sure if its those organs precisely but its my best guess) obviously your organs moving around a little is normal and happens all the time, just when you're sober you're not aware of it.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: yageman]
#5948934 - 08/09/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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well I'm not going to speak for everyone
It does make sense that if your not paranoid and/or not concerned with your health, that this is not necessarily a sign that everything is properly functioning, if that was the case, then I think their wouldn't be no such thing as drug addiction
but usually such things as being noided about heart attacks while under the influence of THC is usually more a condition of the mind, and usually if someone is over estimating the severity of the situation, the result usually is nothing more than a panic attack,
because like I said most heart attacks are symptomatic towards drugs like meth. and coke, if you look at case studies of the past,
I'm not saying this is absolute, of course each persons makeup is different, and so exceptions are always made,
but lets just get real here, I've seen peoples fears heightened so unrealistically, that its ridiculous, they get all freaked out just smelling second hand smoke from a joint, and they're physical biology is just racing by this exaggerated fear, this is an extreme example, but it can be incremented down to inter-mesh with maybe some of the truths about marijuana actually being bad for the heart,
because it is to a certain extent, bad for your health, so you can conclude to a certain degree, that yeah those are legitimate signals or what not, that your health or heart is not up to par, but these signals can be easily misinterpreted as being in under more duress than u physically are, (as you say it could be all in the body, the reserve can also be true, it all can be in the mind), in the mind/body connection,
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: capliberty]
#5949708 - 08/10/06 04:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anytime I've smoked my heart rate rockets up to around 130-140. Never had a panic attack/wave of paranoia, and my normal resting heart rate is in the mid-high 50's to mid-low 60's.
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Re: Heart racing with pot theory [Re: Xanthas]
#5955751 - 08/12/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually - as ive explained already - THC is a potent cause of postural hypotension - a sudden drop in blood pressure people experience while smoking that causes the sympathetic nervous system to active to over compensate for the drop in blood pressure by increasing blood flow through the carotid arteries. This causes a sudden increase in heart rate, feelings of anxiety or apprehension, trembling extremities etc, and the reduced blood pressure can cause dizziness, feeling out of it and in some people fainting. This isnt all conjecture, this is proven science.
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