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OfflineCaptainCrunch
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Got a problem..
    #5947612 - 08/09/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't used mushrooms or any other drug for a while now.. but i had a question i was wondering if anyone could help me with this.. First let me explain the problem.. last couple times i tripped i had a serious sense of fear, and i know most people would just call that a bad trip.. but that wasn't the end of it i would start having INSANE thoughts, like conspiracy theory's and such, and honestly I'm a pretty grounded person.. But these thoughts would persist even after the trip and at on point it felt like I'd never come back.. Like a past a point in my thought process that you just cant come back from once you believe.. I would question everything even my parent and God.. It felt like nothing i had ever been told or seen was real, like it was all staged.. What scared me was that this persisted until the next day when i woke up.. These thoughts would arise usually when I'd be in a modern environment like housing complexes it just seemed so staged, and it felt like some wierd presence was controlling everyone and everything and i have to exscape from it's manipulation.. Anyway i have read that shroom can bring out underlying psychiatric problems... am i a schizo should i never trip again?!!
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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #5948170 - 08/09/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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last couple times i tripped i had a serious sense of fear, and i know most people would just call that a bad trip..




Or seeing the truth...

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but that wasn't the end of it i would start having INSANE thoughts, like conspiracy theory's and such, and honestly I'm a pretty grounded person..




Goodness knows that no one like the media or the Government is out to hoodwink us!!! :smirk:

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But these thoughts would persist even after the trip and at on point it felt like I'd never come back.. Like a past a point in my thought process that you just cant come back from once you believe..




sounds like it sunk in quite well!!

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I would question everything even my parent and God.. It felt like nothing i had ever been told or seen was real, like it was all staged..




you sound like a good student!

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What scared me was that this persisted until the next day when i woke up..




that's a good thing!!

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These thoughts would arise usually when I'd be in a modern environment like housing complexes it just seemed so staged, and it felt like some wierd presence was controlling everyone and everything and i have to exscape from it's manipulation..




Ah, Modern society!  What could be more real or truthful than the way we are told that we have to live today!  Is you car or house big enough?  Are you skinny enough to be attractive??

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Anyway i have read that shroom can bring out underlying psychiatric problems... am i a schizo should i never trip again?!!




No you're not.  It seems to me that you get the message a lot quicker than most!  Including me...

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thanks




Thank you! :cool:


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: VirgilKane]
    #5948211 - 08/09/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If it makes you uncomfortable, don't do them. All psychoactives have a chance to bring out latent mental illnesses which are otherwise unnoticed. I didn't believe it was true until we almost had to take a friend of mine to the mental ward. She started shrieking, seeing things, calling us monsters, screaming we were trying to kill her, etc.

Thats why if you have a history of past mental illnesses, its not a very good idea to mess around with psychoactives. You need a stable foundation before you can shoot up to the stars, you know?


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: wiggles]
    #5948392 - 08/09/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

schapper hit it on the head. Explore those feelings. See what's there. Your assemblage point has obviously been worked into a deep rut. Those mushrooms gave you a gift and knocked it loose a bit. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT! See what your new way of looking at things has to offer and don't be so resistant to change.

Different does not equal crazy.


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #5948457 - 08/09/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I can relate, but acid is what made me see it. Although mushrooms now do the same.

For me its like everything someone says or does is some how connected with something else - either at the same moment or a few mins ago, or even in the future something will connect.

For me it seems like everything is staged and suppose to happen that way, but at the same time im able to rationalize it, cause some stuff is just way to out there to be possible, know what i mean.

Thinking your crazy from it might just end up stressing you out. There are a couple billion ppl on the planet im sure theres plently of ppl who see it the same way - whether tripping or not


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5948477 - 08/09/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hehe.  'Crazy' is such a relative term.... :crazy2:

HEEE HEEEHEEEHOOOHAAAAAHHHH
*runs off into the night like a lunatic*


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: wiggles]
    #5948500 - 08/09/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I actually happen to think those with schizotypal personalities get the message quicker. Im one of those people, and for all I know what I have learned is so vast, spiritual yet scientific, that it resembles sci-fi writting, and it might not be the same message as most people get. Long ago my trips stopped being about me. The come up was always most difficult because I was separating my self from a higher more capable form. A form that was free to wander through the darker more unspoken regions of the human condition.

One theory I have, is not really a theory at all but some people just wont understand/beleive it.
The idea is that the more extreem experiences do indeed resemble schizophrenia, (once the self has been momentarily destroyed, it resembles schizophrenia even more so). If you know enough about schizophrenia, you know that it resembles some of the traits of a psychedelic state of mind. The feeling of connectedness, or a million and one associations all at once are some of the many examples. For example, If you are looking for a number you will find it everywhere.

In my experience, loosing ones self just becomes easier and easier every time because your everyday mind begins to fuse with the psychedelic experience. One would think that once the self is gone there is nothing more to fear.
The thing is, I only started experiencing fear once I knew where all my trips were headed before they got there. My mind seemed to be some cyclical fractal pattern. Once I could use the tools I had been given, The things I tend to create are what scares me. Mainly because so many of the things were undeniable in my mind, yet to take them back to earth, society seems necessary, but it frightened me to have changed myself so drastically, and I was never sure if I was up to that challenge.

My body and mind became increasingly apprehensive because it knew what it meant to be ingesting a hallucinogen(the second a serotonin agonist would hit a receptor). So, like in dreams, it knew where it was going before it got there. That idea its-self freaks me out just because I know that it is true to some extent and how far one can take that idea.
It seems impossible, but with thousands if not millions of associations being made, coupled with time dialation, this is a reality.

So fear only came once I knew what I was doing to myself/where it was taking me, and that was right around the same time that my body would react to any hallucinogenic drug in a far more extreem mannor.

Fear is something that happens to some of the most experienced psychedelic users. Many of us need less of the chemical everytime. A reverse tolorence.

Anyways that is my experience with fear. There was once a time when 1500 mics of lsd didnt really scare me although my heart would race and I could not see(ofcourse).
Today I would feel more fear from just 150 mics. Apprehention of that which you understand so very well already. Apprehention that can leave you with anxiety or even fear. The feeling of, oh shit, what more could there be, but you know at the same time it will likely go even deeper.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (08/09/06 08:03 PM)


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: ezsefix]
    #5948567 - 08/09/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it just seemed so staged, and it felt like some weird presence was controlling everyone and everything and i have to exscape from it's manipulation

these are the shrooms evolving your mind towards an aspect of reality, in a way life is staged and we are all being influenced by the system and its rules, the shrooms took you outside the box, and removed the wool from your eyes, to see reality as it is, in the perception of your person, in which the truth extends beyond blind perceptions of society,

I also get these trips where the shrooms heightened one aspect of reality, maybe this is done to convey a message, or to teach me the truth about reality as it is, I sometimes get these overpopulated, congested society trips,

one time I was seeing a million cars pass by me on a two laner, and I'm thinking "what the hell is cracking", is there is something I don't know about thats going on, but really it was the shrooms telling me that their are congestion problems within society that need to be corrected.


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5948639 - 08/09/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I get "congested" information trips, and they are so mind blowing that they give me fear when I know Im going to that place and know what potential it has.

Its the desire to organize all that comes at you.. When everything has to do with something else, or everything else, its easy to see why you would ask a question like "what the hell is crackin". Something was crackin, lots of stuff was crackin and you didnt know where or what. Which lead you to some other idea, something you did know. (overpopulation). Ive thought the same thing every time I go to a big city. The mushrooms didnt teach me that.
The feeling that everything is staged is probably pretty common when tripping, That too is schizotypal. If everthing is just a stew of interrelated information, then it seems to act like an organism. So who staged this organism. The human mind?? I think not, thats only a small part of it.

Capliberty just reminded me to say that.........

"one time I was seeing a million cars pass by me on a two laner, and I'm thinking "what the hell is cracking", is there is something I don't know about thats going on, but really it was the shrooms telling me that their are congestion problems within society that need to be corrected".


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (08/09/06 08:23 PM)


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: yageman]
    #5948756 - 08/09/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Its the desire to organize all that comes at you.. When everything has to do with something else, or everything else, its easy to see why you would ask a question like "what the hell is crackin". Something was crackin, lots of stuff was crackin and you didnt know where or what. Which lead you to some other idea, something you did know. (overpopulation).

It was my ability to organize, or it might've been a distortion in my perception,(or former influencing the latter)

I wasn't really oblivious to why there was traffic, people had agendas, people needed condiments and others wanted to go somewhere, shoot life had to go on dam it, LOL

but what got me, was why did I notice so many cars, driving fast, and everyone was in a big hurry, I wasn't really assimilating the information into a prospective that made sense, I was just simply observing the blatant truth as it presented itself, and I don't know if everyone else's observation would be same, of course not, because my prospective was definitely skewed by the shrooms

which brings about another point, the shrooms evolve the mind so quick that when assimilating info. so fast, that it literally does skewer your observation of reality

If everthing is just a stew of interrelated information, then it seems to act like an organism. So who staged this organism. The human mind?? I think not, thats only a small part of it.

I call this stew of interrelated information as a vibe, or cosmic consciousness, it does behave as an entity in itself, but really I think at its source is a vast invisible network, of streaming data or airborn thought, with different concepts flowing through this network, that influence our perception of our environments, as we observe them,


Edited by capliberty (08/09/06 09:04 PM)


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: capliberty]
    #5948837 - 08/09/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I started talking about fear and this is where it took me.

Interesting post capliberty........ I call the the strings that connect all things "sacred maths".

I tend to think of it as not information in the air though it travels the same space. Its not of this dimention is my opinion.
Superstring theory really makes this seem plausible.

You should read some of john c lillys writtings. Hes pretty far out, but is very interesting because he takes it to the next level.
To the point where he felt that he knew that the unconscious elements in the solar system infact had to inherently have their own intentions. Just an interesting read as nutty as the guy was in his older years(loved Ketamine). Just interesting is all, as is everything that has to do with string theory, or even holography.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


Edited by yageman (08/09/06 09:24 PM)


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: yageman]
    #6031429 - 09/05/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry to bring this up again, and thank you for your response . let me tell you some things about me, I'm a republican, i also believe in god and always have.. But when i take mushrooms an intense questioning always happens, i feel that i am extremely in tune with everything, for instance i was watching the movie hostage with and i came up with the idea that whoever directed the movie was gay because the movie looked like a photo shoot, also i saw how fake television is and how tricked we are into believing things just on face value, so then i made the connection to take that thought process even further and wonder what else we are tricked by.. then i start to see signs of a dark mysterious presence manipulating everything.. so i go on to think if a tree falls in the forest and no ones around to hear it dose it make a noise, and my answer is yes; but the substance of the question in my mind is not if the tree makes a noise, but rather what effect dose that tree have by falling.(could the tree be the cause of a major forest fire, what a coincidence).. But these sorts of thing continue all the time even now i think differently and see strange things that happen and normal people just miss. also my concept of reality has drastically changed, and i question what reality is.. is reality relative to the person or arbitrary. i study words and there meaning, my thoughts are pretty much wild and out there in a sense. mushrooms also made me notice that we spend most of our lives in a intermediate stage going to a destination and how odd that is.. the meaning of "lost" has even changed by intense evaluation.. anyway it worries me if ill go crazy by going down these paths in my head, there are odd places you can go..


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Re: Got a problem.. [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #6031967 - 09/05/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Captain I've had one trip very similiar to you have described. The feeling that the trip will last forever is very common. I was stuck  on that same tree question in fact, and another about the universe (I made quite a rant about it here in this forum :wink: ).

Going down those paths will not make you go crazy, explore your mind. I've had some incredibly powerful revaltions and experiences on "shrooms". Just find the thoughts that can comfort you (I think about my family, and my little sister) which will bring a sense of reality back. It's all in your head, just go with it. When you feel anxious, eager, or confused it's best to try to think about something else. When i began asking a million questions a minute i just reminded myself, "This isn't relevant to you. None of these questions affect you." Just try to remain calm, I think you will be alright to try mushrooms again.


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