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somewhere to visit on your path toward the light....
    #5947334 - 08/09/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://web.mac.com/buddhacious/iWeb/Site/Home.html

In high school I had a buddha for a psychology teacher. He gave me what I needed to start down my own path, which was nothing more than the desire to know. In a year or two, after reading every book I could find on spirituality, Buddhism, mysticism, and the like, I tried my first dose of psilocybin. It was then that I realized I wasn't searching for something I could "know," I was searching for a mystery. I found it, and this site is my forever continuing quest to lose it again. Hope ya'll enjoy it.


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947650 - 08/09/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

we don't have to have ID cards. there are a lot of possibilities. for instance .... "remember, remember the 5th of November"

but they are just possibilities. so it depends on how possible they are, how probable they are, and how to line the variables up to where you want them to be.

but that was a pretty good read. what do you think of the cards, do you subscribed to the notion of Revelatoin and Mark of the Beast...... that we will be damned... or is it more like fascism is damning us from freedom, it's not something where some force is like "oops you caved in to America.... time to die and suffer."

but yeah I liked reading that, it's pretty cool. you're right about people not seeing the inner Christ in OBL and in Bush.... I've seen both and I actually found Bush's more perplexing, because unfortunately I used to hate him. Now I see it...... but at the same time I don't think he can lead the world anywhere good...... it's possible.

the other thing is i think the end can really be a beginning (and yeah you said this too) so for people that are fearful of the end it means they are clinging to ego reality... but for those in the middle there's some fear (like for me) but they realize you know, just find that peace, and just realize that if the world is going to be HEAVEN things have to change drastically, and illusions need to be stripped away ........

and then for people who are already realized well, there's no real "self" to fret over such things.

so apocalypse for some will be terrible.
for some stressful but uplifting
for some pure release.

it really can depend upon how you view things. or at least i suppose it can, based upon some of the 2012 theories.

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but you know what? You  know it's also completely and entirely and totally possible that the world will just continue normally and technology will advance and societies and governments will stay in place.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: leery11]
    #5947675 - 08/09/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Revelations is definitely interesting, but I think there are plenty of other places to look for prophecy. The thing I think most people don't realize is that it doesn't matter if world events are controlled from above by the hand of God or if humans just enact the story themselves. Reality as it appears to mankind is always self-fulfulling prophecy. You see what you want to see, you make happen what you expect will happen. I've been reading that Ahmadinejad may fall prey to this very phenomenon. Check this out:

FrontPageMagazine.com | July 27, 2006
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has frustrated Western officials by refusing to reply to their offer of various incentives in exchange for Iran’s discarding its nuclear program until August 22. The Western governments had asked Ahmadinejad to reply by June 29; why would Tehran need two extra months?
Farid Ghadry, the president of the Reform Party of Syria, has offered a provocative explanation for this delay. He asserts that the Supreme National Security Council of Iran chose the August 22 date “for a very precise reason. August 21, 2006 (Rajab 27, 1427) is known in the Islamic calendar as the Night of the Sira’a and Miira’aj, the night Prophet Mohammed (saas) ascended to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on a Bourak (Half animal, half man), while a great light lit-up the night sky, and visited Heaven and Hell also Beit al-Saada and Beit al-Shaqaa (House of Happiness and House of Misery) and then descended back to Mecca.…”

The Night Journey, or Miraj, is central to Islam’s claim to Jerusalem as an Islamic holy city. According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad was carried on a Buraq, a miraculous horse with a human head, from Mecca to Jerusalem, where he ascended into heaven and met the other prophets. The only thing the Qur’an has to say about it is this: “Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless, in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)” (17:1). There is no identification of the “farthest Mosque” with any mosque in Jerusalem in this, but the Hadith is very clear on the identification of its location with Jerusalem.

The traditions say that Muhammad and the Buraq, along with the angel Gabriel, went to the Temple Mount, and from there to heaven itself, where Muhammad encountered various prophets. In the sixth heaven was Moses, occasioning a dig at the Jews. “When I left him,” Muhammad says, “he wept. Someone asked him, ‘What makes you weep?’ Moses said, ‘I weep because after me there has been sent (Muhammad as a Prophet) a young man, whose followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers.’”

Evidently, however, Muhammad’s stories of his journey were not altogether convincing: even some of the Muslims abandoned their faith and challenged Muhammad’s most faithful follower, Abu Bakr, to do the same. Abu Bakr was contemptuous: “If he says so then it is true. And what is so surprising in that? He tells me that communications from God from heaven to earth come to him in an hour of a day or night and I believe him, and that is more extraordinary than that at which you boggle!” The world has continued to witness such unshakeable devotion from Muslims to this day.

Did Muhammad really go anywhere? According to his favorite wife, Aisha, he did not: “The apostle’s body remained where it was but God removed his spirit by night.” Nevertheless, the Night Journey has become firmly embedded in the Islamic consciousness, such that Muslims today celebrate it as one of the central events of Muhammad’s life. And now, according to Ghadry, Ahmadinejad is planning an illumination of the night sky over Jerusalem to rival the one that greeted the Prophet of Islam on his journey. What the Iranian President, he says, is “promising the world by August 22 is the light in the sky over the Aqsa Mosque that took place the night before. That is his answer to the package of incentives the international community offered Iran on June 6.”

Certainly a nuclear attack on Jerusalem or even an all-out conventional assault against Israel by Iran would be consistent with Ahmadinejad’s oft-repeated denials of Israel’s right to exist and recent predictions that its demise was at hand. He hinted at the use of nuclear weapons in his phrasing when he said that Israel “pushed the button of its own destruction” by finally retaliating against Hizballah’s relentless rocket barrage from south Lebanon.

“Arrogant powers,” Ahmadinejad said, “have set up a base for themselves to threaten and plunder nations in the region. But today, the occupier regime” – that is, Israel – “whose philosophy is based on threats, massacre and invasion, has reached its finishing line.”

Will he attempt to make good on these threats this year on the anniversary of the Miraj, illuminating the night sky over Jerusalem? Will Western powers heed Farid Ghadry’s words and move to stop Iran before it is too late?


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947725 - 08/09/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"but you know what? You know it's also completely and entirely and totally possible that the world will just continue normally and technology will advance and societies and governments will stay in place."

I think this is the myth of industrialization. I also think it was probably laid to rest somewhere in the middle of the last century. Industrialized society was based on a Newtonian view of reality, that the universe was one big machine that science could one day understand and control down to the smallest of particles. But then Einstein and quantum physics tore that hubris to shreads. There are no particles, reality is not made of anything. Physicists have known for the better part of a century that their science is the science of symbols and not the science of reality. Reality is not something a scientist can grasp because a scientist demands objectivity. In other words, science insists on holding the universe at arms length so that it might be examined, but never can it turn the microscope on itself. If it could, it would realize that the questions it asked determined the answers it found. There is no objectivity! What does this mean for our civilization, one built on outdated ideas? It means there is no reason to keep building an empire if the material world is all just an illusion. The world ends when enough people realize there is no meaning to matter. I think we're in that vacuum now. We've become such a parody of ourselves, I don't think this game can go on much longer.


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947741 - 08/09/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

lol that's such a mess.

what if it's propoganda, how do we know he even said it?

the thing about self-fulfilling prophecy is now that that story exists, people consider it a likely possibility and are charging the atmosphere with fear/hate in order to make it happen.

it even impacts me a bit to read it but not too badly.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947742 - 08/09/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"so apocalypse for some will be terrible.
for some stressful but uplifting
for some pure release."

Exactly. Like the Bible character Jesus said, only those with faith will enter the kingdom of heaven when he returns to Earth in the end times. That just means that for those who understand the transformation taking place, the end of the world is not such a bad thing. This world is fucked up, its time to wipe the slate clean and start again. It's just the way this whole show works. It's happened many times before already, this is nothing new.


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947756 - 08/09/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

redliterocket4 said:
"but you know what? You know it's also completely and entirely and totally possible that the world will just continue normally and technology will advance and societies and governments will stay in place."

I think this is the myth of industrialization. I also think it was probably laid to rest somewhere in the middle of the last century. Industrialized society was based on a Newtonian view of reality, that the universe was one big machine that science could one day understand and control down to the smallest of particles. But then Einstein and quantum physics tore that hubris to shreads. There are no particles, reality is not made of anything. Physicists have known for the better part of a century that their science is the science of symbols and not the science of reality. Reality is not something a scientist can grasp because a scientist demands objectivity. In other words, science insists on holding the universe at arms length so that it might be examined, but never can it turn the microscope on itself. If it could, it would realize that the questions it asked determined the answers it found. There is no objectivity! What does this mean for our civilization, one built on outdated ideas? It means there is no reason to keep building an empire if the material world is all just an illusion. The world ends when enough people realize there is no meaning to matter. I think we're in that vacuum now. We've become such a parody of ourselves, I don't think this game can go on much longer.




so where does the consciousness transmigrate if the world "ends" ? people will not accept such a negation and our minds have tremendous influence over reality.

for instance if empires fall and crumble....... is going back to the dark ages really better? If mankind exists, mankind HAS to have technology, because otherwise man is an animal and basically just repeats the cycle of technological evolution all over again.

so, if we are looking at an evolution in conscoiusness with a simultaneous release of those who do not want such a thing...... then perhaps being bound to physical reality is no longer necessary.

i guess i'm unsure with how you tie apocalypse via the hands of war (if this is what you argue) with penetrating illusion and residing in nirvana, enlightenment, or elevated consciousness.

are we all gonna be whisked away to the first bardo of clear light va catastrophe at once, and then our karmic inclinations will bring large migrations of spirits down back into samsara, some staying in unity, some going into deva like realms or becoming extra-dimensional beings rather than stepping back down?

mmm yea you can't even speculate because speculation doesn't maek sense.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947763 - 08/09/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

redliterocket4 said:
"so apocalypse for some will be terrible.
for some stressful but uplifting
for some pure release."

Exactly. Like the Bible character Jesus said, only those with faith will enter the kingdom of heaven when he returns to Earth in the end times. That just means that for those who understand the transformation taking place, the end of the world is not such a bad thing. This world is fucked up, its time to wipe the slate clean and start again. It's just the way this whole show works. It's happened many times before already, this is nothing new.



"I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change my friend.
I wanna see it come down."

i don't really consider this that unlikely at all, but it makes me wonder how i fit in the puzzle. if i will be willing to make the jump to enlightenment and leave it all, or if i will want to cling.

on the one hand i am not happy with 3-d living in accordance with the ailments of society... on the other hand i would not want to be forced into primitive nature survival mode as a neanderthal.

if you argue for a literal Christ coming, how does one discern him from the anti-Christs....... do we make of the 2nd coming simply as HUMANS becoming Christ en masse, and starting their own new planet.... or that a literal deity, Christ, comes back?

It's easy enough to just say "oh Bush will be the anti-Christ" but I don't know if it's that simple. What if he's an enlightened being too, just playing a part in bringing about a cleansing?

or what if he IS Jesus? "I came not to bring peace but a sword", the Bible describes him as casting away large amounts of "unworthy" people with one hand and saving with the other.

The Bible/Christianity make it hard to trust anything in particular and make you wary of altruistic motives. or at least, that's how it makes me.

it's hard to make sense of all of it...... direct gnosis with God/universe would be best I think.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (08/09/06 03:37 PM)


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: leery11]
    #5947770 - 08/09/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know what will happen when the world ends. I have some ideas. I don't think the material world will be any different. Every level of reality is illusion, so there's no sense in leaving the material level to escape to an astral plane. We will still need technology. We will still inhabit these bodies. What changes is not the world itself, but our perception of the world. As it stands now, the general trend in society is to take only the material plane seriously. Everything else is just hallucination and fantasy. That's a very unbalanced view of things, which is why we're on the verge of total collapse. The total dissolution of the material world into the clear light of Nirvana is probably still a few cycles or yugas away. I think science has stumbled onto a spiritual truth when it discovered the life cycle of stars, including our own Sun. When it nears its end, the Sun is going to expand enough to swallow up Earth. Might that be the final stage of the evolution of consciousness on Earth? That's my best bet.


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    #5947785 - 08/09/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think there will be a literal return of Christ as a single being. I think you'd be right to say the return is meant as a metaphor for the awakening of Christ consciousness within a large number of people.

But I have to add that because of the way our society is structured, there is room for single beings to become Messiah figures. Mass media does a great job of popularizing these kinds of things. Look at Kanye West. I was at Lollapalooza in Chicago this past weekend and I caught his show. Personally, I think he's a joke, but I understand why he calls himself Christ. If I were up on stage like that in front of 50,000 screaming fans, I'd think I was hot shit, too. And for his millions of fans, he preaches the word of God, the gospel truth about the world as far as they are concerned.


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Re: somewhere to visit on your path toward the light.... [Re: redliterocket4]
    #5947799 - 08/09/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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redliterocket4 said:

But I have to add that because of the way our society is structured, there is room for single beings to become Messiah figures. Mass media does a great job of popularizing these kinds of things. Look at Kanye West. I was at Lollapalooza in Chicago this past weekend and I caught his show. Personally, I think he's a joke, but I understand why he calls himself Christ. If I were up on stage like that in front of 50,000 screaming fans, I'd think I was hot shit, too. And for his millions of fans, he preaches the word of God, the gospel truth about the world as far as they are concerned.




definitely agree here....... I don't know who Kanye West is.... but it seems like there are literal Christs infiltrating mass-media......

I quoted one of them in this thread..... I can't know for certain about his status, but there is sincerity in the lyrics, but it seems wholly improper to "worship" him. He is probably bestowing gifts with his/their music. Ample instructions are offered for ego-transcendence....


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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