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Asante
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Mescaline's mental effects
#5945424 - 08/08/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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From your personal experience, how do the mental effects of Mescaline compare to those of LSD and Mushrooms?
Is the risk of a bad trip as great as with these others? Is there an equal tendency to miracle and wonder?
Please speak your mind.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: Asante]
#5945546 - 08/08/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i don't know but my peruvian torch seedlings are just now sprouting!
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: freezepooter]
#5945640 - 08/08/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not my quote, but it is fitting I think.
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Erowid states: The effects of LSD and mescaline are often described as being nearly the same in many older books and articles. While there are many points of similarity, these are two very different drugs from two very different chemical families. It is very hard to try to explain the differences to somebody who has not tried both, and this difficulty is made even worse because no two people will be affected by both drugs in the same way.
Many people feel that mescaline leaves you with a more lucid and coherent state of mind, where LSD can often create a very confused and disoriented state of mind. This does not at all mean that LSD is a more intense experience though. Some people find that mescaline produces stronger and much more organized visual effects, especially with the eyes closed. While LSD visions are often mosaics of rapidly morphing bizzarre scenes, mescaline visions tend to be more organized, less changing, and more familiar - the difference might be compared to watching a surreal music video compared to watching a movie. LSD tends to be much more of a stimulant, whereas on mescaline many people are more likely to lie down with your eyes closed. Some find mescaline produces a strong euphoria which is compared to that from MDMA. Some find LSD is more likely to cause anxious feelings.
Some people say LSD is much "deeper" while others will say that mescaline is the more profound drug - and others will say they're both equally deep. All of this is highly subjective, and varies greatly from person to person. LSD and mescaline are very different drugs, but with many things in common. Each has its own unique profile of effects, but what these are will be different for every person.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: freezepooter]
#5945701 - 08/08/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think this thread is a great idea, there is hardly any information on mescaline's effects especially it's mental effects compared with the amount of data available on LSD/psilocybin etc.
I have not tried LSD but from my experience with mushrooms and mescaline i would say the effects of a bad trip are FAR more likely with mushrooms than mescaline. For me at least mushrooms seem to be a much deeper trip in to your subconsciousness and thus the reason they are probably more likely to cause bad trips. I also find mescaline very easy to control compared with mushrooms, with much less of the mind fuck, another reason why i believe it is harder to have a bad trip off mescaline. I have in fact had parts of a mescaline trip go bad but this was after consuming 100g of Peruvian torch powder and been sleep deprived for 38 hours by the end of the experience. It never really got that frightening with a high dose of mescaline, i just got very anxious at times (for valid reason, but i won't go in to detail, I'm trying to keep this short).
The mental effects of mescaline can be extremely euphoric and dreamlike, it seems to give you a boost in energy as-well, characteristic of it being in the phenethylamine family. The CEV's of mescaline tend to be extremely intricate, detailed and very colourful images that are constantly changing, they seem to be electric, throbbing kind of visuals. The visuals of shrooms however seem to be more natural and organic patterns that change more slowly. I always get huge tracers off mescaline too.
I think there is definitely an equal tendency between shrooms and mescaline to marvel and take wonder in the world around you. Mescaline seems to transform the world in to a beautiful shimmering dreamland with extremely enhanced colors, and smells.
Edited by MindFood (01/17/08 06:00 PM)
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DyeGreen
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: MindFood]
#5945805 - 08/08/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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How long does a Mesc trip last? And what are the "street names" it goes by? I never see much of it at music festivals I go to but i'd be curious to try some time if I keep reading these great things about it. Anyone know if theres a high chance of being sold bunk or ripoff mesc, in other words... what should I look for? I don't even know what form it's actually in.
David, any thoughts on the "day after" (or weeks) of a mesc trip?
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: DyeGreen]
#5945842 - 08/08/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It goes by no street names narc......(kidding) You are not going to find mescaline pills or something.
DyeGreen asked--->"Anyone know if theres a high chance of being sold bunk or ripoff mesc, in other words... what should I look for"? ---yes, there is a 90-99% chance you will not get any real mescaline if you buy it at "music fest"...... You will get some other Phenethylamine. Mescaline is a Phenethylamine by the way.. Its actually pretty well known that all you will find at music fests is mescaline,X, lsd, or shrooms, but ALL the "mescaline" is really 2c-?.............Usually 2c-i if you are being sold "mescaline". You really can trust me on this....
A high dose of mescaline lasts as long as lsd, but the after effects are very trippy. You could say you are tripping 18-24 hours later when having taken a high dose. So in other words, for me it seems to last a bit longer in comparison to lsd, even when considering how obvious lsd after effects are.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (08/08/06 09:46 PM)
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: yageman]
#5945887 - 08/08/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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huh cool... thanks for the info. What does it actually look like, or what form, has it been in when you've taken it in the past?
I figured if it takes 8 years to grow a plant the odds of me finding it were slim to none, but I figured I'd ask.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: DyeGreen]
#5945907 - 08/08/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mescaline is probably the most oftenly bunked drug at music festivals. It's up there with opium...
Your odds are finding it however aren't impossible. I've found it in the above mentioned setting once, and I know you can buy buttons over in Amsterdam legitly.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: DyeGreen]
#5946012 - 08/08/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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DyeGreen said: huh cool... thanks for the info. What does it actually look like, or what form, has it been in when you've taken it in the past?
I figured if it takes 8 years to grow a plant the odds of me finding it were slim to none, but I figured I'd ask.
I have only used mescaline in various forms of legal cacti. Peyote once when in mexico. I did find some at a show ONCE. It was at phish coventry, and it was vacuum sealed dried pedro, for free(which was very cool). It is highly effective and available over the internet.
Do what you will with that info.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (08/08/06 10:38 PM)
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: Asante]
#5946084 - 08/08/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am coming off of a mescaline trip at present...
I always get a sense of sublime calm when I'm on mescaline...the thoughts are flowing but never overwelming. The word seems to be "gentle..." It's weird because I sense a strong teaching spirit within the drug, like it has a "spirit" to it not unlike the mushroom spirit. It seems more dreamy and "detached" then LSD. I could feel my ego unhooking itself from my self...I reached a state of total ego absence...just absence, a sublime calm. I definately floated high above my body, for awhile...still am, actually.
Mescaline lets you go far without YOU realizing how far you've gone. That's what it seems like...it also makes you KNEEL before you receive wonderful teaching from it...I've puked with just about every trip with mescaline I've taken, even the extracted powder.
Thoughts definately are more lucid...and just that sense of 'calm pleasure...' it's an all-over body sensation of well-being and security, while you float far, far away from "you..."
That's been my experience today.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: DyeGreen]
#5946102 - 08/08/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I find this topic extremely interesting, and its been a subject of my research for quite some time.


I have noticed in personal bioassay and in 100's of reports, the tendency for phens to have less of a chance for a bad trip, but on the flip, you dont reach insights with the same level of profundity. Any negative effects produced by phens tends to physical, i.e. headache, tachycardia, hypertension, restlessnes, general body load.
Tryptamines on the other hand, have a higher likelihood for a "bad trip", i.e. the majority of their negative effects are mental. Even when physical side=effects do manifest, the likelyhood of it being psycho-somatic is much higher with tryptamines. As a reward for braving this greater danger, you are rewarded with more pertinent information.
I began researching the neurotransmitters believed to be affected by different tryptamines and phenethylamines. The most commonly mentioned receptor in the literature is the 5HT-a2 receptor for serotonin. This is supposedly the receptor ALL hallucinogens bind to.

 When I looked at a few different neurotransmitters, namely nor-epinephrine and serotonin, and compared them to phens and tryps, something stood out. Nor-epinephrine is a phen, serotonin is a tryp. Wouldn't phenethylamines fit better in nor-epinephrine receptors, as they are more closely shaped?




Lacking access to complicated ion chanell mappers and a live human brain to poke at, I tried to work backwords from my conclusion. To guage what the effects of not having nor-epinephrine binding are, as a result of being displaced by a phenethylamine hallucinogen, I researched what nor-epinephrine is responsible for.
Along with epinephrine, nor-epinephrine, or noradrenalin, allows individuals to adapt to a stressful situation by increasing alertness, metabolizing fat for energy, and increasing the oxygen intake to aid working muscles. In other words, its responsible for the fight or flight response.
So, if you displace epinephrine and norepinephrine with a phenethylamine hallucinogen, you will lack the normal reaction to something frightening. You will have a decreased ability to get scared and jumpy, as the chemicals responsible are not having an effect on the neurons they usually do, because they are blocked.
Another reason suggesting that phens dont bind to the 5hta2 receptor, is that they would not bind completely, as the molecules are smaller and more simple than that which the receptor is designed for. Whole sides of the receptor would be left naked, most likely resulting in the lack of transmission from that neuron. Neurotransmission is s complex motherboard, and if the circuit is not complete, the message is not sent.
Now, taking a look at serotonin, we find it is responsible for almost everything! Your breathing, blood pressure, heart rate (autonomic nervous system), appetite, mood, libido, and consciousness in general.

With this in mind, it is very easy to see why displacing serotonin would cause drastic changes in how one perceives the world, and with epinephrine and norepinephrine still binding unhindered, you get frightened and excited.

In summation, its not so much that one has more of a tendency for a "bad trip", its that tryptamines have a higher tendency for EGO DISSOLUTION, combined with the fact that phenethlyamines may very well chemically inhibit the fear response. This may be due to phenethylamines binding to nor-epinephrine and epinephrine receptors, as opposed to serotonin 5-HTA2 receptors, as previously thought.
This would explain the "healing and gentle" nature of mescaline, MDMA, 2c-b, 2c-i, etc, and the "stern teacher of tough lessons" essence of LSD, DMT, Psilocybin, etc.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: MudShark]
#5946268 - 08/09/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love the Mescaline trip, always thought it to be clearer and calmer than LSD.. just wish I could get a hold of some.
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Re: Mescaline's mental effects [Re: Tomcat23]
#5947452 - 08/09/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can find mescaline just a few clicks away online, or a few miles down the road to your local nursery. I tried 3 nurseries around town and 2 of them had sever potted San Pedro cacti.
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