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OfflineTrippinOnAcid
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How to Tell LSD from RC
    #5944411 - 08/08/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have a friend that has been getting me a bunch of weird shit from like E, DMT, PCP, Mescaline, and Opium. He now says he has LSD and I am kinda skeptical. He hasnt let me down yet but I have never tried LSD so I dont know if I will be able to tell the difference between real or fake. Can you even tell the difference between an RC and LSD and which RC is most like LSD?


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: TrippinOnAcid]
    #5944423 - 08/08/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

LSD supposedly glows under a blacklight


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5944442 - 08/08/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Onset... If in 30-45mins you start getting REALLY high, its probably LSD...
At about 30mins I usually am laughing my ass off heh


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5944450 - 08/08/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Don't go by the blacklight stuff, some liquids also glow. Drop it and then look at erowid and talk to other experienced trippers.


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: thehandtruck]
    #5944489 - 08/08/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wait wait wait.

Let me get this straight.

This guy gets you "DMT, PCP, Mescaline, and Opium" and it's the ***LSD*** you're skeptical of?!?!??!?!?!??!?!

If you're skeptical of the LSD:
You probably didn't get DMT. 5-MeO-DMT maybe.
You probably didn't get PCP. God knows what you got, could be PCP, it's just not to common these days.
You probably didn't get Mescaline.
You didn't get Opium.

However, after looking over the list, I have a second thought. He could be someone with good knowledge of what he can get on the net, like all of us here. Meaning, he had an RC site with 5-MeO-DMT, a 2C chemical sold as mescaline, or a site with dry cactus, opium pods. (was your opium a tea, or something smokable? If it was smokable, it was probably just a simple scam), and the LSD would then most likely be a DOx chem or 5-MeO-AMT.

This is just a hunch, mind you. But it's an interesting selection which suggests that he's possibly just some kid with an internet connection who knows how to make some easy profit. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion if you hadn't provided a list of the most difficult to get (commonly known) drugs out there, with skepticism of a drug which is, in the end, actually easier to come across.

edit: And just to finish the circle, I could suggest methylone as the E.


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Edited by Koala Koolio (08/08/06 03:23 PM)


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5944526 - 08/08/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Koala Koolio said:
Wait wait wait.

Let me get this straight.

This guy gets you "DMT, PCP, Mescaline, and Opium" and it's the ***LSD*** you're skeptical of?!?!??!?!?!??!?!

If you're skeptical of the LSD:
You probably didn't get DMT. 5-MeO-DMT maybe.
You probably didn't get PCP. God knows what you got, could be PCP, it's just not to common these days.
You probably didn't get Mescaline.
You didn't get Opium.

However, after looking over the list, I have a second thought. He could be someone with good knowledge of what he can get on the net, like all of us here. Meaning, he had an RC site with 5-MeO-DMT, a 2C chemical sold as mescaline, or a site with dry cactus, opium pods. (was your opium a tea, or something smokable? If it was smokable, it was probably just a simple scam), and the LSD would then most likely be a DOx chem or 5-MeO-AMT.

This is just a hunch, mind you. But it's an interesting selection which suggests that he's possibly just some kid with an internet connection who knows how to make some easy profit. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion if you hadn't provided a list of the most difficult to get (commonly known) drugs out there, with skepticism of a drug which is, in the end, actually easier to come across.

edit: And just to finish the circle, I could suggest methylone as the E.




One thing I do know is the E was real becuase I have used E over 20x and it is very easy to get in my area. DMT was probably not DMT, Opium was smokable and was suposivly harvested from pods. Mescaline was dried cactus powder and was sold just as a powder and not pills but it was sold as cactus powder so no false advertisment there. The PCP supisivly came from his brother in D.C. and after I looked it up I guess thats were its most found. But your right it could be a kid who just knows his stuff and knows how to make an easy profit. What ever he is selling me is cheap and is working though if that matters. I would like to know if its real or not though.


Edited by TrippinOnAcid (08/08/06 03:37 PM)


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: TrippinOnAcid]
    #5944575 - 08/08/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And, just to answer the original question... (though I wouldn't buy a *thing* from the guy, it may come up again one day).

There are 3 main things you can do.

1) Most importantly, know and trust your source. As far as I'm concerned, this is out the window for this particular dealer.

2) Learn what else it could be, read up on them, and prepare for what you would consider the worst. This means: Read up on DOI, DOB, DOC, and 5-MeO-AMT, namely. Read about the durations they *can* be, which you'll more often find with people who took it intentionally from a chem company. Those who got it as assumed acid generally hit the weaker end of the stick, *but not always*. And read about the durations on sites like this, from peoples' experience with it on blotter.

Make sure your surroundings will be okay. And remember that this isn't the end of the world. It might not be enjoyable, or what you wanted, but you didn't eat rat poison. Tell yourself that this is a chemical some people take on purpose, and when they know what they're getting into, they can have quite the good time. DOI can last an extremely long time, if enough is taken. Many times the blotter only has a mild dose, but you can never be sure. Which leads me to...

3) Dose carefully. A single hit of blotter could be strong for these chemicals. But for a regular person, it will not be a hospital visit even if it was made far too strong accidentally. For instance, I know of people who take 6-10, one guy even 12mg of DOC. This would not fit on a hit of blotter. But it would fit on a few. Eating a 10strip of LSD wouldn't kill you. But of strong 5-MeO-AMT? It could be bad.

So start with one, and learn how it effects you. Read about how long different things take to kick in, and what the effects are like. If it took 2 hours to kick in, and lasted 14 hours, it was probably something else. And if the hit is extremely bitter, to the point where you wished it wasn't in your mouth, spit it out. Some of it might still have gotten into your system, but it won't even be a full hit worth, you will be fine. You would even with a full hit. You could even nibble on a half hit to see if it is strong in flavor. But don't be thrown off by slight bitterness, which can sometimes just be the paper.


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: TrippinOnAcid]
    #5944607 - 08/08/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

TrippinOnAcid said:
One thing I do know is the E was real becuase I have used E over 20x and it is very easy to get in my area. DMT was probably not DMT, Opium was smokable and was suposivly harvested from pods. Mescaline was dried cactus powder and was sold just as a powder and not pills but it was sold as cactus powder so no false advertisment there. The PCP supisivly came from his brother in D.C. and after I looked it up I guess thats were its most found. But your right it could be a kid who just knows his stuff and knows how to make an easy profit. What ever he is selling me is cheap and is working though if that matters. I would like to know if its real or not though.




Alright, now we're getting somewhere. I was concerned that he might not be someone with any "real life" connections at all, relying completely on the 'net. This is obviously not true, but a combination is still a possiblility, mainly because of the cactus powder.

So the E is common there, and he knows drug dealers, okay. It's E. PCP I have heard of in DC, and I honestly wouldn't know what the hell someone would sell as PCP anyway. :smile:

The cactus powder is certainly legit. And props to him for not selling it as peyote, which I have seen before. So either he ordered that, or the guy he got it from did. No big deal though. Still betting on 5-MeO-DMT as DMT, but most people probably don't even understand the difference. I think it's not n,n-DMT because the mescaline would likely be extracted if the DMT was as well, as the techniques used for each are simillar.

Opium... probably not. But I'd say that even if I didn't have any other knowledge on your guy. It's an age old scam, and there's no telling if he even knew if it was real. There are a few different things commonly sold as opium. There is the dragon's blood incense, and then this other flowering smelling resin/tar stuff. This stuff is sold very frequently in the US. And you will catch a slight buzz from smoking it.

I once knew a guy at a college on the opposite side of a particular state. He bought a pound of this stuff and sold it around school. It made it all the way back to the other side of the state, being sold by mostly pot dealers as opium, and they had no idea what it was. It was a while before I heard of the chain of people it went through, but I found it amazing how ignorant some of these people were.

Real opium is virtually non-existant in the states, aside from some small circles of people. The fact is that it's bulkier, smellier, tougher to get through customs, and in far less demand. It's converted to heroin before ever coming to this country. Wiccan_Seeker posted a guide of how that is done. It claimed that 10kg of opium alkaloids make around 1kg of heroin. So it takes 10x less space to hide.

Some people, including some on this board grow their own poppies. This can work well for personal use, or usage between a few close friends. However, having enough to sell would require a lot of land. It would be very risky, and that much land worth of cannabis would generate much more money (and be easier to sell off).


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: TrippinOnAcid]
    #5944928 - 08/08/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe I am ignorant but what is RC?


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: EndlessNameless]
    #5945309 - 08/08/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Research Chemical ... theres a bunch of legal ones that mimic the effects of various illegal drugs like lsd.


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5946616 - 08/09/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

actually none of those bar one are actually RCs in the first place and since their dosage is so different no one would ever get them mixed up with a research chemical - which have a similar tiny dosage to LSD and can be contained in a similar sized blotter to LSD.
Undoubtedly there are blotters around - particularly in Australia that claim to be LSD but are actually a stronger vasoconstrictor - most probably low doses of DOB.

Acid makes you giggle at the start especially - giggles are a sure sign.


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5947499 - 08/09/06 01:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bluemeanie said:
actually none of those bar one are actually RCs in the first place and since their dosage is so different no one would ever get them mixed up with a research chemical - which have a similar tiny dosage to LSD and can be contained in a similar sized blotter to LSD.




I assume you're referring to my list of 5-MeO-AMT, DOB, DOI, and DOC as the most common acid substitutes. Why are you saying only one of those is a "research chemical"? Only one is specifically scheduled, but none have particularly in depth research behind them. I'd certainly assume DOB to have the most.

Perhaps you've misread one of my posts? The chemicals I listed, while not nearly as potent as LSD, certainly fit on blotter. And I'm sure you know that. So which chemicals are you saying would "never get mixed up with an RC?"

I listed the other drugs this guy was selling, and made my case for why I believe a lot of them to be ripoffs. But I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Can you be a little more clear?


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5948845 - 08/09/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

From my understanding of PCP you probably didn't get PCP. Most things sold as PCP are typically precursor chemicals to PCP (which are even worse for you) or embalming fluid (which you should under no circumstances use). PCP by itself is bad enough, but what it most likely is is even worse -_-.


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Hugh]
    #5949401 - 08/10/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Hugh said:
or embalming fluid




I recall this being a debunked myth, but I'm no PCP pro. Could any of the (very few) with PCP knowledge around here take the time to comment?


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Re: How to Tell LSD from RC [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5955752 - 08/12/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

My bad, ignore my post as I didnt read yours properly! :wink:


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