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Lieberman's D Day
#5944346 - 08/08/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was forced to vote for this guy when i had no choice but to vote for Al Gore in 2000. I voted in the republican primary for John McCain, so thats 3 votes against Bush.
Anyway, I hope he loses today, He is such a whiner. Polls close at 8:00 est.
Even if he looses, he could still run as an Independant.
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I hope Lieberman eats shit too.
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: Vvellum]
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Somebody crashed his website, lol
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: d33p]
#5944887 - 08/08/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lieberman tells the truth, and Democrats can't take it.
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lol?
Lieberman is one of the most question-dodging, manipulative, and brainless politicians in the upper ranks.
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: vampirism]
#5945011 - 08/08/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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He is actually the exact opposite of that,
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: zappaisgod]
#5945030 - 08/08/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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:sigh: lieberman has some decent stances. He's had a few good, short and spiffy quotes. But can you honestly say you like his arguments and reasoning? I haven't seen him make a good, solid argument. He's a great quotable figure though.
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: vampirism]
#5945052 - 08/08/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lieberman is a dyed in the wool liberal and the lunatic fringe of the party is cutting his nuts off because he can actually perceive the evil of Islamofascism and realize what needs to be done. Hey, I thinks it's a good idea for the netroots and moonbats to take over the dems. They'll never have any power. I have absolutely no intention of ever swinging a clue bat. I don't want you all to have one
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: zappaisgod]
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just because he can perceive it doesnt mean its there...and anyone that believes in "islamofascism" prolly is some kind of moonbat..but definitely not a liberal one... but to get back on topic..i hope lieberman does get his nuttocks cut off...
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: Annapurna1]
#5945166 - 08/08/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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... you don't see any threat of fascism from the way islam is used in certain countries?
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: vampirism]
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thats not the topic of the thread..but the word "islamofascism" never comes out of anyones mouth that isnt a neocon moonbat.. anyway..heres the wiki ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism
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He supported the war. That's a good enough reason not to vote for him. So are the results in?
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I hope it's all over for Joe. If he looses I'm going to blast Marilyn Manson and play GTA in celebration
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: Basilides]
#5945694 - 08/08/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone who says he doesnt dodge questions, did not see his 1999-2000 debate with Dick Cheney.
I can still hear his whining.
He should be conceding defeat any time now.
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hes gone...and good riddance...
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It's over, Lieberman.
Good luck on running as independent, LOL!
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Re: Lieberman's D Day [Re: Adden]
#5945910 - 08/08/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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He might get enough votes (as an independent)to force a run-off though. I don't know Connecticut law.
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Re: its official... [Re: Annapurna1]
#5945971 - 08/08/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: its official... [Re: Vvellum]
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Good riddance. Hopefully Hillary Clinton will meet a similar fate
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Re: its official... [Re: Basilides]
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The Dems better drop that polarizing bitch fast! Too many people HATE her.
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It's idiots like Hillary that are everything that is wrong with the traditional Left
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Re: its official... [Re: Basilides]
#5946641 - 08/09/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If the Dem's think that running solely on an anti-war platform will get them back in power, they have another thing coming........
Lamont won with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.
A mere 4%.......in one of the most democrat heavy states in the Union.
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> It's idiots like Hillary that are everything that is wrong with the traditional Left
I would have said it is idiots like Hillary that are indicitive of everything that is wrong with the traditional Left.
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SirTripAlot said: If the Dem's think that running solely on an anti-war platform will get them back in power, they have another thing coming........
Lamont won with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.
A mere 4%.......in one of the most democrat heavy states in the Union.
I don't necessarily think that the Lieberman defeat is a good example of why the Dem's can't use an anti-war platform. I think the slim margin of victory had more to do with the fact that Joe was a incumbent thab anything else. People like what is comfortable, and voting for Lieberman has just kinda become commonplace aroudnd there.
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Re: its official... [Re: Redstorm]
#5947003 - 08/09/06 10:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: If the Dem's think that running solely on an anti-war platform will get them back in power, they have another thing coming........
Lamont won with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.
A mere 4%.......in one of the most democrat heavy states in the Union.
I don't necessarily think that the Lieberman defeat is a good example of why the Dem's can't use an anti-war platform. I think the slim margin of victory had more to do with the fact that Joe was a incumbent thab anything else. People like what is comfortable, and voting for Lieberman has just kinda become commonplace aroudnd there.
I think we disagree. The Dem's need a much stronger platform then just an anti-war stance. We will see, one thing is for sure, if they lose AGAIN something is definitely wrong.
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Well, there's already definitely something wrong with their party, but if they can't manage to pick up several seats in this political environment, I don't know how they ever will.
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SirTripAlot said: If the Dem's think that running solely on an anti-war platform will get them back in power, they have another thing coming........
Lamont won with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.
A mere 4%.......in one of the most democrat heavy states in the Union.
What is being very much missed by those celebrating this "victory" is that Lieberman is now going to win the general election and NOT AS A DEMOCRAT. I got these figures from another blog comment page, not exactly a rock solid source but I have no reason to doubt the registration figures;
"There are about 450,000 Republicans, 675,000 Democrats, and 875,000 Independents registered to vote in Connecticut.
Ned Lamont received a bit more than half of the bit fewer than half of the Democratic votes. Democrats account for just over 32% of the Connecticut electorate. Put another way, about 7.9% of the Connecticut electorate voted for Lamont last night. 7.7% voted for Lieberman."
The Republican candidate is nothing more than a sacrificial lamb and Lieberman will probably pick up quite a few Republican "Anybody But Lamont" voters. Probably half. Call it 200K. Virtually none for Lamont, unless his mom is Republican. Then there is the Democrats, who split evenly in the primary but I will give a higher percentage of those votes to Lamont in the general election out of party loyalty, say 2/3rds. So, 450K to 225K. We're now at 450K for Lamont and 425K for Joe. Then we get the unaffiliated voters, of which there is 875K. For anyone to expect an inexperienced, largely unknown campaigner running on one issue to beat an experienced well respected INCUMBENT among this group is just naive. All of a sudden ol' Ned is going to have to answer a lot of questions about issues completely unrelated to the war. I see Joe getting 400K to 300K for Ned. That gives us 825K to 750K for Joe with whoever the Republican patsy is getting around 425K. (Some of you will have noticed that I have ridiculously assumed 100% turnout. That is truly utopian but it nonetheless reflects an accurate comparison of the percentages involved. Will Democrats not turn out because both Lamont and Lieberman are OK by most of them? Maybe. Will Republicans stay home because their candidate has no shot? Doubtful, because, just as the "anybody but Bush" crowd is what galvanized Lamont supporters, there is going to be a strong "anybody but Lamont" crowd in the general election. Oh, and I checked, the figures above are correct.)
Remember, this was a Democrat primary, which self selects for Bush haters, and they ran basicly even in a campaign that focused on Bush. The general population isn't so rabid. The nutroots have essentially turned a solid blue state into a battleground, which is going to split the party and consume DNC resources that they otherwise might have been able to use elsewhere. This is going to have severe national consequences for the Dems. It is a big victory for Republicans more than for the KosKorps in their campaign to push the Dems even more to the left. Further marginalization.
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I wouldnt be so sure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2006/08/09/BL2006080901029.html
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The Anti-Bush Movement
By Dan Froomkin Special to washingtonpost.com Wednesday, August 9, 2006; 2:18 PM
Political fledgling Ned Lamont's unlikely triumph over President Bush's favorite Democrat in the Connecticut Senate primary lends itself to all sorts of fascinating interpretations -- and one is that it could mark the emergence of an anti-Bush voting bloc.
Lamont's out-of-nowhere victory, fueled by his depiction of incumbent Joseph Lieberman as a presidential patsy, suggests a political awakening of that sizeable group of Americans who intensely disapprove of Bush, his war in Iraq, and pretty much anything else he touches. Consider that, according to the latest Washington Post poll , a near-majority of Americans -- 46 percent -- strongly disapprove of the job Bush is doing. That's strongly. Another 12 percent somewhat disapprove.
On Iraq, which is the dominant political issue going into the 2006 election, 62 percent disapprove of Bush's leadership (52 percent strongly).
Political guru Karl Rove won his boss a second term in 2004 by making that election less a referendum on Bush as on his opponent, John Kerry. But the potential here is that the 2006 congressional elections could turn out to be the "accountability moment" that Bush retroactively claimed the 2004 election to have been, in a Washington Post interview in January 2005.
That's certainly what Lamont was telling Connecticut voters yesterday, in a message on his Web site: "Your vote will determine the national headlines tomorrow: 'Connecticut Democrats show support for war, President Bush' or 'Democrats in Connecticut foreshadow national call for accountability in Iraq.' Your call."
Analysis and Opinion
Adam Nagourney writes in the New York Times: "The victory of Ned Lamont over Joseph I. Lieberman, a three-term senator and former vice presidential candidate, was a vivid demonstration of how the Iraq war is buffeting American politics and of the deep hostility toward President Bush among Democrats. It also suggested there are stiff anti-status-quo winds blowing across the political landscape as the fall elections approach. . . .
"For Republicans already contemplating a gloomy fall horizon, the Lamont victory suggested that many Democrats -- stirred by their opposition to the war and hostility toward Mr. Bush -- are as energized as any group of voters in years, enough so to move them to the voting booth in huge numbers. . . .
" 'This shows what blind loyalty to George Bush and being his love child means,' said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the leader of the Democratic House Congressional campaign. 'This is not about the war. It's blind loyalty to Bush.' "
Susan Milligan writes in the Boston Globe: "Polls show that Democrats are more motivated to vote this year, noted Stu Rothenberg, an independent political analyst, a factor which could negate the Republicans' historically stronger get-out-the-vote efforts.
" 'From the numbers I've seen, they are generally more energized than the Republicans about the war, but not just about the war. They've had six years to build up their distaste' for the Bush administration on matters ranging from civil liberties to foreign policy, Rothenberg said.
" 'They'll want to send a message about the war, about George W. Bush. And it's not a friendly message,' he said."
And here's a New York Times editorial : "The rebellion against Mr. Lieberman was actually an uprising by that rare phenomenon, irate moderates. They are the voters who have been unnerved over the last few years as the country has seemed to be galloping in a deeply unmoderate direction. A war that began at the president's choosing has degenerated into a desperate, bloody mess that has turned much of the world against the United States. The administration's contempt for international agreements, Congressional prerogatives and the authority of the courts has undermined the rule of law abroad and at home.
"Yet while all this has been happening, the political discussion in Washington has become a captive of the Bush agenda. Traditional beliefs like every person's right to a day in court, or the conviction that America should not start wars it does not know how to win, wind up being portrayed as extreme. The middle becomes a place where senators struggle to get the president to volunteer to obey the law when the mood strikes him. Attempting to regain the real center becomes a radical alternative."
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Presidential Thoughts [Re: Vvellum]
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Tony Snow address the Lieberman loss at the White House (or where ever it is right now) press conference.
Tried to say that Dems are moving the wrong way with Lamont. He didn't exactly endorse Lieberman, but his blurb about the primary was a completely unsolicited remark.
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Hell yeah! Screw liberman glad to see his ass off the democrat side. Least if he runs as a repub he will be wearing the right colors. Red for all the blood they spill.
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SirTripAlot said: If the Dem's think that running solely on an anti-war platform will get them back in power, they have another thing coming........
Lamont won with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.
A mere 4%.......in one of the most democrat heavy states in the Union.
LOL! At this point, all the Dems have to do is keep good damage control and it should be a clean sweep for them. The Republican Party has little or no capital left, and many are probably gearing for a dark age come this November and 2008.
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JesusChrist said: Lieberman tells the truth, and Democrats can't take it.

Lieberman is an authoritarian douchebag. He's always the first to warn parents about the latest violent videogame or obscene music that needs to be censored, or else the children will be corrupted. Fuck that uptight warmongering asshole!
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Re: its official... [Re: Annapurna1]
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Well it seems like Bush and Rove are getting ready to help Lieberman out.
Senator Clinton has told him to "search his conscience."
On a different note, I don't see what all the Hilary bashing is about. I don't think she would make a good presidential candidate based upon real politik but it seems like a lot of people who criticize her never really give specifics. I know she was supposedly the brains behind Bill Clinton, and I look back on his reign nostalgically-- though I wish she'd take a stronger stance against the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.
In any event, I found her verbal thrashing of mass murderer Rumsfeld most satisfying.
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JesusChrist said: Lieberman tells the truth, and Democrats can't take it.

Lieberman is an authoritarian douchebag. He's always the first to warn parents about the latest violent videogame or obscene music that needs to be censored, or else the children will be corrupted. Fuck that uptight warmongering asshole!
if we didn't have so many violent video games and tv shows people wouldn't be so accepting of being in a police state, and going to war in the first place.
i say the less operation invade middle east and shoot sand people video games we have, the better, eh?
censorship isn't cool of course.
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