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Is this overlay? Why no pins? (Pics)
    #5944190 - 08/08/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've been following a tek on how to make brown rice flour + vermiculite cakes and fruit them as cakes. When it came time to birth them, I discovered that my jars were not tapered, and the cakes wouldn't come out. So I improvised: I cut them out, put them in plastic bags, crumbled, and cased (Using a combination of coco coir, vermiculite, spagnum moss, and dolomitic lime). I let them sit in warmth and darkness for 48 hours. After 48 hours I saw the first signs of mycelium poking through the top of the casing. I patched the casing, re-misted, and set them in my fruiting chambers. I'm trying to keep this whole deal low profile because I don't have much space, so what I've concocoted for a fruiting chamber is a sterlite container full of perlite (to about 3.5 inches). Water in the bottom to 1 inch. Into this chamber I set an 11x9 baking pan full of the cased substrate. I took the containers and set them near a window so that they receive indirect sunlight, in an airconditioned part of the house, with temperatures constantly in the mid 70's. I estimate a 5 degree drop in temperature. I covered the top of the chamber with the included lid and let them sit for four days. During this time I did not fan or mist, because I was out of town. Yesterday I got back and was disappointing to see no pins. Instead, I think I have come back to "overlay" but perhaps not? I have never grown mushrooms before and I don't know what this stage is supposed to look like. One tub in particular, which is growing a different strain, seems to be worse. Do I need to scrape off this mycelium and reapply casing? How are the mushrooms supposed to come up - do they come out of the casing, or is the entire casing supposed to be colonized before pinning? I think I've made a mistake somewhere, and I hope it can be corrected...

I've included some pics. They're optimized so they should be quick DL's and they show good detail (I don't know if you need to see the detail to tell what's up).

Thank you for your time.
P.S. Though there are other posts like this in the archives, all of the pictures have been deleted by the original posters, so I don't know what to look for. Thank you.

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The cooler:







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Re: Is this overlay? Why no pins? (Pics) [Re: Ereignis]
    #5944235 - 08/08/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

the second one definitly looks like overlay...its probably becuase of low humidity and no FAE...you have to give them air


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Re: Is this overlay? Why no pins? (Pics) [Re: imtank]
    #5944252 - 08/08/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

so what should I do about it? Scrape off that mycelium and put on another layer of casing?


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Re: Is this overlay? Why no pins? (Pics) [Re: Ereignis]
    #5944296 - 08/08/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

There's no overlay on any of those pictures, so don't scrape or do anything at all to it. Hopefully, it will pin soon. Next time, don't use lime from any dolomite source. Dolomitic lime is too high in Mg. Use calcium carbonate or hydrated lime. Normally dolomitic lime takes a long time to break down anyway, so you should get a flush.

What you need to do now is keep the humidity high, and fan as often as you think of it. Massive amounts of air exchange and exposure to light is what you want. Good luck.
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thanks [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5945528 - 08/08/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, I'll just make sure to fan them from now on. Also, I set up some florescent hood lights on a 12 hour timer to give them more light. And, I refilled the perlite, which might have gone a bit dry while I was gone - I know for sure that it was around 90% in the cooler when I got home yesterday. I'm hoping that by increasing the FAE, humidity, and light all at once I can induce pinning before anything bad happens. Thanks for the advice.


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Re: thanks [Re: Ereignis]
    #5946001 - 08/08/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You don't want any standing water in the perlite. Get it wet, but dump out any excess. That allows the maximum amount of perlite to be exposed to the air to evaporate moisture that is held within. Keep the humidity at or above 95%, and fan every time you think about it. 4 to 8 air exchanges per hour is great.
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Re: thanks [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5954952 - 08/11/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the advice, apparently, it has worked for me. All of my casings have pinned now, except for one, which is full of mycellular knots and will probably pin soon. And one of them has grown very fast. Here's a pic from this afternoon:



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Re: thanks [Re: Ereignis]
    #5954989 - 08/11/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

For Air exchange, what I did was cut a half dollar sized hole on each side of my FC (Tub) and placed polyfil in these holes. It's a great way to get FAE without taking of the tub lid and worring about any contamination in the air getting to your cakes. Try it out, I had success with it. And yes make sure you fan! At least 4-5 times a day for about 30-45 seconds. And if your worring about lighting...take the the top of the lid and cut a hole in it. Then place bubble wrap or sarem wrap over it and tape it. Use a flourscent light for lighting.


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Re: thanks [Re: The_Chariot]
    #5955125 - 08/11/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean by fanning? like with a computer fan or a big fan?

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Re: thanks [Re: n20forme]
    #5955248 - 08/11/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Take the lid of your tub and wave it back and forth across the top to get fresh air in.


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Re: thanks [Re: Ereignis]
    #5955278 - 08/11/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Here's a pic from this afternoon:






Nice. That's what we like to see.
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Re: thanks [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5956149 - 08/12/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't want any standing water in the perlite.  Get it wet, but dump out any excess.  That allows the maximum amount of perlite to be exposed to the air to evaporate moisture that is held within.  Keep the humidity at or above 95%, and fan every time you think about it. 4 to 8 air exchanges per hour is great.
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I've found that when using perlite humidification that only the top inch or so is really what is transpiring the most and that using clean standing water at half the depth not only helps get the RH up quicker after each fanning making for a more stable climate but also in dryer climates whether it be in the winter or in dryer regions of the world that with frequent FAE's moist perlite alone can come up short.
All I'm saying guys is you can have clean standing water and it will work great just not too deep and leave that top inch wicking! :wink: Also FAE's can be effective anywhere between 4-6 a day to 4-8 an hour but if doing excessive FAE's which 4-8 an hour certainly is pay close attention not to create any dry conditions what so ever this of course isn't a problem when using moist FAE's such as when a mixing box or coolmists are used. This is just another point of view to look at and be aware of.


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