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dorkus
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Great expectations.
#5943537 - 08/08/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"When you throw a rock into the water, it will speed on the fastest course to the bottom of the water. This is how it is when Siddhartha has a goal, a resolution. Siddhartha does nothing, he waits, he thinks, he fasts, but he passes through the things of the world like a rock through water, without doing anything, without stirring; he is drawn, he lets himself fall. His goal attracts him, because he doesnt let anything enter his soul which might oppose the goal. This is what Siddhartha has learned among the Samanas. This is what fools call magic and of which they think it woud be effected by means of the daemons, there are no daemons. Everyone can perform magic, everyone can reach his goals, if he is able to think, if he is able to wait, if he is able to fast."
Herman Hesse (Siddhartha)
Edited by dr_mandelbrot (08/08/06 11:46 AM)
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Icelander
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: dorkus]
#5944192 - 08/08/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Two minutes before I read this I was just saying to a friend that patience will get you further, faster than anything else.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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dorkus
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: Icelander]
#5944205 - 08/08/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe I should have stuck with the title The Virtue of Patience?
I just finished Siddhartha now. Hesse is the man, the book was condensed with pure simple wisdom. Among my favorites.
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Droz
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: dorkus]
#5944316 - 08/08/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It takes time.. Something we must wait for...
Peace, Droz
-------------------- Evolution of Time.
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leery11
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: Droz]
#5945059 - 08/08/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i ought to give that one a read.
"His goal attracts him, because he doesnt let anything enter his soul which might oppose the goal. This is what Siddhartha has learned among the Samanas. This is what fools call magic"
quite interesting and true. but having goals hmm..... do enlightened people have goals other than to enlighten others, and survive if they are in physical bodies? What goals are worth having?
Fame, money, riches? or Survival, food, shelter, companionship? <----- most of us already have that.
the rest is extra...... and yet this brings up unspoken questions about the first noble truth in relatoin to goals. are goals similar to desires, since you desire goals, and if you had no desire, you would not have goals, per se?
i suppose there are healthy goals though definitely. and goal seems to be a positively charged word.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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dorkus
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: leery11]
#5945206 - 08/08/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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That might be a very good point. Later in the book he abandoned his goals as I saw it. I really don't know how an enlightened would think, but personally I've found my most joyous moments to cause a complete lack of ambition. Enlightenment strikes me as the end of becoming. Are there room for goals in a state of full surrender, in true acceptance of the now?
I don't know.
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Gomp
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: dorkus]
#6158430 - 10/11/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder why I refuse to read blocks like that...
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slaphappy
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Re: Great expectations. [Re: Gomp]
#6164805 - 10/13/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because its boring to take other peoples beliefs (and/or self-important advice) as your own. It nullifies the potential of making your own, and it narrows the spectre of fantasy down to one.
I'd like to see 6 billion religions.
-------------------- The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact.

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Re: Great expectations. [Re: slaphappy]
#6164950 - 10/13/06 08:18 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it not possible to assimilate attitudes and ideas and interpret them individually? When I read other people's beliefs, I don't instantly and blindly take them as my own. If I agree with something they say, then I will tend to adopt it. If I disagree, then I won't. Reading others' beliefs helps to clarify your own.
It does not nullify the possibility of making your own, and I find that it does the exact opposite and actually HELPS to give me a better idea of my own, and it gives me context for some ideas also.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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