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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Basilides]
    #5946750 - 08/09/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

> I sometimes wonder how the guy sleeps at night.

My understanding is through the use of alcohol... lots and lots of alcohol. Besides, what are a few thousand US lives (not to mention the tens of thousands of civilian lives) worth compared to the need to avenge the assassination attempt on daddy. I doubt Bush has any problem sleeping, even if here weren't a drunk.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Konnrade]
    #5947545 - 08/09/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If you vote republican, you're voting for a puppet.

If you vote democrat, you're voting for a puppet.




Correct. Though I would vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Which at the moment seems to be the democrats. They at least have the right idea about iraq - get the fuck out of there. And they are the only ones who can stand against bush. I'd love to be able to vote libertarian or independent, but face it...do that and your basically casting a vote for the repubs. They just love it when people vote 3rd party it just takes votes away from the democrats because the right wing voters will continue to vote repub even as the nukes start landing.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Catalysis]
    #5947565 - 08/09/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Bush is a puppet of the American people. Get over it. You can fantasize all you want about the 2000 elections being a massive conspiracy perpetrated by the Bushuminati, but that doesn't make it real. You are just using them as a scapegoat for decisions that went through the democratic-republic process and were essentially approved by a majority of your fellow American citizens.




I said nothing about 200 elections. But you have your head so far up your nether regions you are tasting stomach acid if you think bush is the man behind his policies. Bush is the greatest example of a president being a puppet than ever has existed in america. Why in the hell do you think has only used one veto in 6 years??? Every single spending bill passed like a hot potato. He is a puppet, and it is NOT the american people pulling the strings.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5947594 - 08/09/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd love to be able to vote libertarian or independent, but face it...do that and your basically casting a vote for the repubs.



False. Do that and you're voting for a libertarian or an independent. Of course, it depends on whether or not you live in a swing state. Living in California, I knew in the last election that my state was definitely going to vote for Kerry, so I was able to feel safe in voting Libertarian. So if you live in a state where the vote is going to be close, then go ahead and vote for the lesser of two evils. But if you live in a state where the outcome is secure, then it is a waste of your vote.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Silversoul]
    #5947610 - 08/09/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I will conceed. If you know your state is voting for the lesser of two evils then yeah, your vote won't be cast for the bad guys. But I do happen to live in a swing state  :frown:


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5947727 - 08/09/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That shitty, defeatist attitude is exactly why we will ever have nothing but a two-party system. The American public are sheep who love to be herded into one of the two pens.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Redstorm]
    #5947746 - 08/09/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That shitty, defeatist attitude is exactly why we will ever have nothing but a two-party system. The American public are sheep who love to be herded into one of the two pens.



Actually, a winner-take-all election system like ours pretty much guarantees a two-party system. What is really needed is an alternative election system, such as proportional representation or condorcet voting. Of course, don't expect the Republicrats to support such a suicidal reform.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Silversoul]
    #5947757 - 08/09/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:

I'm about the biggest advocate of proportional representation that you'll ever meet.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Redstorm]
    #5949289 - 08/09/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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:thumbup:

I'm about the biggest advocate of proportional representation that you'll ever meet.




Sounds far more appropriate to me, but having a positive attitude and spreading smiles about the current one won't change the reality of the situation. That reality being the system is designed for 2 parties and any attempt at changing that will be quickly shot down with all the political capitol of the country, if not the planet, as means to suppress the change. I fear any hope of a change in our election system is a pipe dream.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5949318 - 08/09/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Personally, I don't have much faith in electoral politics in general.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5949430 - 08/10/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Or you could vote for a third party. You know the Rep's and Dem's haven't been the only two parties in American history, right?


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Silversoul]
    #5950820 - 08/10/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Personally, I don't have much faith in electoral politics in general.




I'm not big on faith myself. Where do you put yours? Dictators?


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: Redstorm]
    #5950835 - 08/10/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Really???  :whoa:

:lol:

I just don't see voting for a 3rd party as causing any real change. Political change in america will only happen if one of the 2 main parties are involved...that or revolution.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5950994 - 08/10/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

A vote for the third party is only smart if you are sure they are going to get more support than the democrats.

The left cannot be divided if we want the left to gain any ground, and maybe the independents are the "lessest of the evils", but we can't afford people making a stand in an election this important.

Think about some of the things the democrats for. They are on the side of keeping the internet the way it is, they can impeach the president to set a precident for future presidents so we don't have any more tyrants, they can start undoing the policies of the GOP from the patriotic act to the horrible environmental policies.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5952657 - 08/11/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am libertarian, I would rather not vote then vote for the republicans or the Democrats. Sorry, I don't see any point in voting for the lesser of 2 evils, especially when both parties are private servants. I might vote green, but I disagree with too much of what they have to say. It is that type of thinking that is the reason that we don't have a major 3rd party. If you think that way then you should also realize how little your vote means and not even vote at all. Vote for who you want, don't vote against the guy you don't want.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: twiggedoubt]
    #5952924 - 08/11/06 02:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I am libertarian, I would rather not vote then vote for the republicans or the Democrats. Sorry, I don't see any point in voting for the lesser of 2 evils, especially when both parties are private servants. I might vote green, but I disagree with too much of what they have to say. It is that type of thinking that is the reason that we don't have a major 3rd party. If you think that way then you should also realize how little your vote means and not even vote at all. Vote for who you want, don't vote against the guy you don't want.




Please don't take this advice. This is the advice of the republican. If you care about your children's children, you'd realise how bad this advice would be for them, and that taking this advice and spreading it would lead to an eventual 50/50 divide of the left. We need to set a goal of getting the democrats in and we can work from there. Right now too much is on the line with how republicans are taking away rights and liberties that we can think "oh my vote doesn't matter I just will vote for the most down to earth of the parties or hell I wont vote at all"

imagine half of the left had that attitude? the pigs would have outsmarted us, without even trying to.


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Re: 9/11 Happened.. Bush is Just a Fucking Natzi [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5954057 - 08/11/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If you vote republican, you're voting for a puppet.

If you vote democrat, you're voting for a puppet.




Correct. Though I would vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Which at the moment seems to be the democrats. They at least have the right idea about iraq - get the fuck out of there. And they are the only ones who can stand against bush. I'd love to be able to vote libertarian or independent, but face it...do that and your basically casting a vote for the repubs. They just love it when people vote 3rd party it just takes votes away from the democrats because the right wing voters will continue to vote repub even as the nukes start landing.



that is a really poor attitude. the lesser of two evils is still evil.

if you vote democrat then what you have to do is pick the right candidates.......

now yes voting is meaningless but if you had some guts and just voted for a good candidate, then less people would be spouting this foolish mantra..... and people would be like, you know i want to vote for the less of two evils, but that still sucks anyway so i'm just going to go ahead and vote how my conscience tells me even if it's a wasted vote.

there is NO reason to settle for something if you go to the length of calling it evil.

what's actually real ridiculous is some states last election didn't even have ballot access for third party candidates.... how is this a representative system if you can't vote for your party?
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A vote for the third party is only smart if you are sure they are going to get more support than the democrats.

The left cannot be divided if we want the left to gain any ground, and maybe the independents are the "lessest of the evils", but we can't afford people making a stand in an election this important.

Think about some of the things the democrats for. They are on the side of keeping the internet the way it is, they can impeach the president to set a precident for future presidents so we don't have any more tyrants, they can start undoing the policies of the GOP from the patriotic act to the horrible environmental policies.




that's really true though. the key is getting all the dems to lean a lot lefter than they leaned through the primaries.....

but questions arise, if we elect a president with integrity, will he go the way of JFK? still, best to try anyway.


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