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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5945519 - 08/08/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Theres just so many little holes, for example, the helicopter that was dropping "bombs"

1. What type of bomb does any military deploy that "flashes" and moves slowly downward? If the government wanted to make it secret, why not drop dark colored bombs?
2. During this clip, notice what the top of the tower looks like? Bright. Notice the helicopter after it pulls out of the smoke? A bright flash! Theres this extremely advanced science out there, its called "reflection". Metal things tend to reflect light... Just as the helicopter does when its out of the smoke.
3. Ive heard bombs in the building and helicopter dropping bombs.. Why in the world would it be both. The "planners" of this attack would obviously not want to make it extremely obvious, they would want to make sure it stayed a secret right? Why would they employ multiple tactics, when either one would work alone perfectly! Damn, they should have had some tanks shoot at the towers to..




You took the least important part of the documentary to talk about. You also didn't mention any sites that have debunked this either.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: Rahie]
    #5947432 - 08/09/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ive been really busy, and dont feel like doing a full analysis.

I havent watched the full thing, just skimmed through. The physics stuff seems pretty dumb. Comparing dropping a ball, and a building falling seems pretty nonsensical. I plan on watching the full thing sometime soon.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5947525 - 08/09/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I heard it was supposed to be a thermite controlled demolition now. Which makes sense if you want to bring a building down without explosives. Could also explain the 'molten metal' if there ever was any.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm

Fuck just found this footage:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11
looks like thermite molten steel allright... scary.. makes me doubt again

WTC7 collapsed because two enormouse towers fell down next to it. The side facing toward the towers was supposedly extremely damaged.

Here's the Loose Change debunking btw
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5949776 - 08/10/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nobody finds this interesting?

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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5952875 - 08/11/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I thought it was very interesting. thank you


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5952883 - 08/11/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Why would they be rigged with bombs? Two planes did crash into them, and that is a "fact". What more would really be done be totally demolishing the buildings?

I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, I just want to know.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5952893 - 08/11/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Some of yall might not realize this but airplanes hit the buildings. The airplanes exploded and burning jet fuel sprayed onto the structures on the buildings. That weakened the structures of the buildings and a lot of very heavy debris from the airplanes weighted the buildings down. The weight from the debris combined with the weakened structures caused the buildings to collapse. You can go on believing it was green men in black helicopters who are in secret cahoots with George Bush if you like but I have to tell you for your own good you should probably lay off the shrooms, you've had enough.




I kind of have to agree with this guy. I would like to think the government is evil and everything I see or hear has been carefully orchestrated by officials, but crazy shit like this happens all the time. Like on those Amazing Videos shows, they all somehow seem to defy physics or baffle the medical world.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: Rahie]
    #5952964 - 08/11/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

shiiiiieeeettt everybody knows its aliens. fuck man they are trying to install their puppet government so there is less conflict when they beam down. beam me down scotty. i dunno what angle this vid is going at as its prob the loose change conspiracy bullshit that is entirely not worth an hour of my life. FUCKING PLANES CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING.the building started on fire, the heat built up weakened the structure, shit fell. how hard is it to fucking get, oh steel only melts at so and so fuck kelvin. how bout fuck your kelvin and consider the the building to be a furnace, where it will get hotter than a single normal material will when burned. whatever this is entirely not worth my time but you 911 skeptics are the equivalent of spammers. spreading useless information across the globe hindering the spread of factual knowledge.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: relativexistance]
    #5953023 - 08/11/06 04:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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shiiiiieeeettt everybody knows its aliens. fuck man they are trying to install their puppet government so there is less conflict when they beam down. beam me down scotty. i dunno what angle this vid is going at as its prob the loose change conspiracy bullshit that is entirely not worth an hour of my life. FUCKING PLANES CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING.the building started on fire, the heat built up weakened the structure, shit fell. how hard is it to fucking get, oh steel only melts at so and so fuck kelvin. how bout fuck your kelvin and consider the the building to be a furnace, where it will get hotter than a single normal material will when burned. whatever this is entirely not worth my time but you 911 skeptics are the equivalent of spammers. spreading useless information across the globe hindering the spread of factual knowledge.



I hope people question shit, it's better than being mindless sheep that excepts everything the news and government tells you.  :rolleyes:

In February 2005, The Windsor building in Madrid burned for over 24 hours as shooting flames engulfed almost the entire structure and yet the building did not collapse. The core of the WTC was exponentially more robust than the Windsor building. So we have one building that burned incessantly for over 24 hours and did not fall, compared to two buildings which were structurally far superior, burned briefly from limited fires, and yet both collapsed within an average time of 79 minutes.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: relativexistance]
    #5953089 - 08/11/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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shiiiiieeeettt everybody knows its aliens. fuck man they are trying to install their puppet government so there is less conflict when they beam down. beam me down scotty. i dunno what angle this vid is going at as its prob the loose change conspiracy bullshit that is entirely not worth an hour of my life. FUCKING PLANES CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING.the building started on fire, the heat built up weakened the structure, shit fell. how hard is it to fucking get, oh steel only melts at so and so fuck kelvin. how bout fuck your kelvin and consider the the building to be a furnace, where it will get hotter than a single normal material will when burned. whatever this is entirely not worth my time but you 911 skeptics are the equivalent of spammers. spreading useless information across the globe hindering the spread of factual knowledge.




Thank you. I was beginning to think there's no intelligent life left down here.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: PinballWizard]
    #5953118 - 08/11/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they be rigged with bombs? Two planes did crash into them, and that is a "fact". What more would really be done be totally demolishing the buildings?

I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, I just want to know.



Maybe they thought that two burning towers weren't going to get them enough support for the war. Maybe Silverstein heard that there would be this hijacking and rigged his own building for insurance money.
Good question though. But if their is enough evidence to prove that it was brought down, we'll find out why.

I'm not convinced it was an inside job, these last years I've kept moving between the sides, thinking it was just terrorists, or that the government knew about it and let it happen, or worst case they knew about it and rigged the buildings.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5953157 - 08/11/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't buy the conspiracy bit, but I despise bad science. Don't take this the wrong way. I am not trying to support the conspiracy theory...

> The weight from the debris combined with the weakened structures caused the buildings to collapse.

The debris would have already been in the building, except for the plane, thus only the plane added weight. Planes are meant to fly, thus they are designed to be light. The weight of 50,000 people in the building would have exceeded the weight of the plane by a fair margin. (50,000 people x 140 lbs per person = 7.5 million pounds in human flesh. The maximum takeoff weight of a Boeing 737 is under 200,000 pounds.) The extra weight of the planes/passengers did almost nothing to bring the buildings down.

> looks like thermite molten steel allright...

... and the earth looks flat. This is a qualitative observation, nothing more.

> the heat built up weakened the structure

The temperature that jet fuel burns at STP is below the melting temperature of steel. If I hold a propane blow torch on a well insulated can, the can does not eventaully "build up heat" until it is hotter than the sun (or the propane flame temperature for that matter).

> how bout fuck your kelvin and consider the the building to be a furnace

Kelvin is a measure of temperature, just like celcius, but with a different starting point. Celcius starts where water freezes, while kelvin starts where matter freezes (nothing can be colder than 0 kelvin). Just because you are ignorant of basic science is no reason to delve into vulgarity and tantrums.

As far as the furnace theory goes... the thick black smoke pouring out of the windows is caused by incomplete combustion of organic compounds which only happens when the fire is cool or oxygen starved.

> you 911 skeptics are the equivalent of spammers. spreading useless information across the globe hindering the spread of factual knowledge.

Sorry to say, but you are doing the same thing.

> In February 2005, The Windsor building in Madrid burned for over 24 hours

Had the protective layers around the superstructure of the building not been damaged by the impact of the planes, the WTC should have been able to withstand a similiar fire. The windsor building was also only 32 stories tall... an ant hill compared to the WTC. Without looking at the details of the building design, it is difficult to compare the two events. Even looking at the details, the two buildings were very different, making it difficult to compare the two events.

> Maybe Silverstein heard that there would be this hijacking and rigged his own building for insurance money.

If anybody digs into this, they will see that Silverstein lost, not made, money. He lost a lot of money. He got $861 million from insurance. The expected cost of just the memorial, is around 500 million. The cost to build the original towers was very close to one billion, 1970 valued money. You can twist the numbers around and claim that he made around 500 million, but that ignores the fact that he has to rebuild.

(I left an intentional hole in the furnace theory for anybody that can spot it.)


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: Seuss]
    #5953378 - 08/11/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If Silverstein has to pay for it, then no I don't see a reason why he would want it.

BUT

Silverstein got nearly five billion dollars from the insurance -source

And AFAIK it's not yet sure how the cost of rebuilding WTC will be funded. The clean-up was paid for by the government.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: Seuss]
    #5954112 - 08/11/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry man. You may think you got the science all figured out but the proof is in the pudding. We all saw the airplanes hit and the building collapse.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5954161 - 08/11/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones found thermate samples from the debries of the WTC.

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.Based on chemical analysis of WTC structural steel residue, a Brigham Young University physics professor has identified the material as Thermate. Thermate is the controlled demolition explosive thermite plus sulfur. Sulfur cases the thermite to burn hotter, cutting steel quickly and leaving trails of yellow colored residue.




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Dr. Stephen Jones: "[An] important point is that therimte can be...designed to either cut throuth steel without explosion...called an incendiary....[D]evices at least since 1999 [exist]...to have thermite come out essentially as a hot slicing molten iron...knife that will cut through thick steel...And we've dug out that patent....So you have this device that holds the thermite and lets it go out in such a way that it will cut through steel; it's called a "linear cutting system" and...that fits exactly with what we see. [From other things he says earlier, concerning the spalling metal melt (now solidified) that you can see in some pictures of damaged steel in the WTC demolition, there is only visual evidence of dripping in and out of the box columns for instance with an 'insta-melt'--without evidence of the whole column being buckled under uniform heat which is what the Bush false conspiracy theory requires. Instead, heat is only applied in one small "knife through butter" steel location in a line, which is indicative of thermite as well.]"




go to http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml and read the summary of the last 10 posts. 9/11 was probably an inside job, there are so many suspicious facts, such as
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Seven weeks before the controlled demolitions of 9-11, the towers change hands in their first (rushed) sale, being all bought up by Silverstein, who introduces a huge terrorism insurance appendage. [10] Despite admitting publicly that HE gave the order (in the PBS special "America Rebuilds") to blow up his own WTC7 on 9-11, the whole thing is so corrupt that he still collects 500 million dollars on the "terrorist destuction alibi" of WTC7, and has already collected several billion dollars on the 'terrorism clause' in the WTC1/2 insurance.




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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #5954879 - 08/11/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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.to have thermite come out essentially as a hot slicing molten iron...knife that will cut through thick steel...And we've dug out that patent....So you have this device that holds the thermite and lets it go out in such a way that it will cut through steel; it's called a "linear cutting system" and...that fits exactly with what we see. [From other things he says earlier, concerning the spalling metal melt (now solidified) that you can see in some pictures of damaged steel in the WTC demolition



Like the diagonally cut beam in the background.



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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5964511 - 08/14/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry man. You may think you got the science all figured out but the proof is in the pudding. We all saw the airplanes hit and the building collapse.



OMG
The proof is in the pudding....because we all saw planes hit the buildings?
That has to be the dumbest explanation I have ever heard about 9/11 since it happened. You my friend have a weak argument, maybe you should lay off the drugs man.


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5964764 - 08/14/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I have to tell you for your own good you should probably lay off the shrooms, you've had enough.



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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: Da_Vine]
    #5964819 - 08/15/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i have ckecked out pretty much every 911 consperisy. i belive some one did atack us. i just think america is not telling us half of the story. theres are to many un explained things. its taking it to the extreme to conjur up entire conspericy plots but i do think we are not being told the truth


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Re: Amazing 9/11 footage: "911 Eyewitness" most watch if skeptic. [Re: notapillow]
    #5965130 - 08/15/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

People didn't hear most all of the information about the attack on Pearl Harbor until it was declassified.

People didn't hear most of the information about the Kennedy Assassination until it was declassified (and I doubt all of it is).

When people are left with the abscense of information, their imaginations kick in to fill the void. Everyone needs an explination, especially with the scale of what happened. It's just that some of us have more vivid imaginations than others. And some choose to twist facts and load "evidence" to support whatever twisted views they have so that they can "prove" it to everyone else.


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