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LSD-dangerous or not? -must read
    #5940220 - 08/07/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have been using this site for months now and i have pored over numerous threads and articles about LSD. Some say it can have disastrous long term effects and others say it is harmless. For example, the article "How to avoid a bad trip" alleges that LSD is suspected of causing "genetic damage". Then, people i know have said stuff like "it pokes holes in your brain" , "it will stay in your spine", or "you will have flash backs for the rest of your life. However, there are others that say it is no more dangerous than psilocybin/psilocin, which i have tripped on. I have created this thread, which i hope is in the right forum, to let all the facts come together. For i have seen many allegations against LSD, as well as support for it.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5940238 - 08/07/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Check out the Erowid Acid Vault.

Good points to note are:

LSD stays in your body/spine (yeah, right!):
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml

LSD makes your brain bleed (hmmm, we'll see shall we?):
http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?ID=3022

LSD causes chromosome damage (about as much as water):
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_writings3.shtml

Not that I'm saying it isn't dangerous but unless you are mentally unsound I would say the risks are minimal.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5940248 - 08/07/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would say that its not much more dangerous then psilocybin/psilocin...


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: Darkflame]
    #5940271 - 08/07/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The writings seem legitimate, but in the article refuting the allegation that it makes the brain bleed states that LSD may be laced with other drugs. Is there anyone out there that can shed some light on that.
I was thinking about tripping on it as it is more readily available in my area than shrooms.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5940283 - 08/07/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I do not want to trip without knowing what i am taking. (besides the d-lysergic acid diethylamide)


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    #5940298 - 08/07/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940362 - 08/07/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I just use shrooms and cactus and do not ever use LSD, but did 20 years ago. I can say the the genetic damage threat is a myth that the original war on drugs tried to scare people with. I don't know of any of the "LSD casuality" kids that they predicted would be born. I think kids are now being hurt by legal antidepressants and other mood altering substances. It may be a powerful mind altering substance, but is not a danger to genetics...


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: Mourningdove]
    #5940557 - 08/07/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

simple answer - it can be dangerous, but with all the knowledge of it at your disposal on the internet, its very easy to keep it safe, fun, and enlightening. just play by the rules of those who have a LOT of experience with it.

i always tell people dont listen to suggestions by people who have tried it only once or a few times. not that they cant be valid or useful, but as an example, you wouldn't decide whether or not crossing a particular river was safe with only a guide who has done it just a couple times would you?


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? [Re: kake]
    #5940632 - 08/07/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"i don't condone its usage, however i won't advise it."

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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5941273 - 08/07/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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PSylopHiLe said:
I have been using this site for months now and i have pored over numerous threads and articles about LSD. Some say it can have disastrous long term effects and others say it is harmless. For example, the article "How to avoid a bad trip" alleges that LSD is suspected of causing "genetic damage". Then, people i know have said stuff like "it pokes holes in your brain" , "it will stay in your spine", or "you will have flash backs for the rest of your life. However, there are others that say it is no more dangerous than psilocybin/psilocin, which i have tripped on. I have created this thread, which i hope is in the right forum, to let all the facts come together. For i have seen many allegations against LSD, as well as support for it.



I'm kinda stoned right now, so I'm noticing things in a different light. It just struck me...your prose is strange, strange like you're giving a speech at a high school graduation or something. Shit it just seemed odd to me.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5941347 - 08/07/06 04:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

less dangerous than psylocybin mushrooms
less
truly

when dosed reasonably
no toxicity at all

however there is a lot going on in the mind
and most people are better off gagging on toxins than
facing their demons


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5941372 - 08/07/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

(Deep thinkers talk shallow till they know ones depth). Then may they flood them with words of depth. Carefully not drowning them in the water of confusion. If you talk humble then others will exalt you. But if you talk high and exalted then you will be humbled. In other words don't talk to people like you're some wise person whey beyond them. But talk to them at their level. Or they'll just think the shrooms have made you crazy. And why should they want to do shrooms if its going to get them to talk like that to their family and friends.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: bluecollarboy]
    #5941621 - 08/07/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What does this have to do with lsd?


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5941641 - 08/07/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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PSylopHiLe said:
I have been using this site for months now and i have pored over numerous threads and articles about LSD. Some say it can have disastrous long term effects and others say it is harmless. For example, the article "How to avoid a bad trip" alleges that LSD is suspected of causing "genetic damage". Then, people i know have said stuff like "it pokes holes in your brain" , "it will stay in your spine", or "you will have flash backs for the rest of your life. However, there are others that say it is no more dangerous than psilocybin/psilocin, which i have tripped on. I have created this thread, which i hope is in the right forum, to let all the facts come together. For i have seen many allegations against LSD, as well as support for it.



I'm kinda stoned right now, so I'm noticing things in a different light. It just struck me...your prose is strange, strange like you're giving a speech at a high school graduation or something. Shit it just seemed odd to me.



I couldn't think of any other way to say it.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5941715 - 08/07/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

almost everything you hear about LSD is a myth. you've got a few risks to consider:

1. a small part of the population reports PHPD from LSD use.
2. a small number of LSD users have terrifying experiences that can lead to psychological problems
3. because of the state of mind it can induce, you may do things that are violent, reckless, or suicidal. i always thought the whole "jumped out a window on acid because he thought he could fly" was another acid myth until i met a parapalegic who'd done just that.

the risks can be mostly mitigated by treating the experience with enough respect to establish good set, setting, and dose. having a sitter may be a good idea too.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: wilshire]
    #5941789 - 08/07/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i'd say if you can mentally handle shrooms, you can handle acid, as shrooms have a much darker mental side to them...

in terms of physical damage... nah... that doesn't happen...

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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: wilshire]
    #5942315 - 08/07/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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almost everything you hear about LSD is a myth. you've got a few risks to consider:

1. a small part of the population reports PHPD from LSD use.
2. a small number of LSD users have terrifying experiences that can lead to psychological problems
3. because of the state of mind it can induce, you may do things that are violent, reckless, or suicidal. i always thought the whole "jumped out a window on acid because he thought he could fly" was another acid myth until i met a parapalegic who'd done just that.

the risks can be mostly mitigated by treating the experience with enough respect to establish good set, setting, and dose. having a sitter may be a good idea too.



The same rules and risks apply to mushrooms


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5942319 - 08/07/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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less dangerous than psylocybin mushrooms
less
truly

when dosed reasonably
no toxicity at all

however there is a lot going on in the mind
and most people are better off gagging on toxins than
facing their demons




Thats what I was saying. Physically, nothing. Mentally... a lot.


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: TheSlapnCapn]
    #5942321 - 08/07/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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i'd say if you can mentally handle shrooms, you can handle acid, as shrooms have a much darker mental side to them...

in terms of physical damage... nah... that doesn't happen...

-j



what do you mean by "darker mental side"


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Re: LSD-dangerous or not? -must read [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5942772 - 08/08/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

In my experience, and everyone I've met who has done both, acid tends to have a more positive spin, and takes more for the experience to head south. Of course, it will vary from person to person, but this is a very common trend from what I've seen. Having said that, each can be equally dark, one just requires more of a push for many people.

Having said that, though I've had dark times for both, just as I've had bright times (learning much from each as well), my acid days are over. Not because it is worse for me, but because, "2. a small number of LSD users have terrifying experiences that can lead to psychological problems." It wasn't the nature of the drug that caused things to go this way. Just a matter of abusing it, and winding up in a tragic situation (in which someone else might not have suffered that night if I'd chosen not to trip). So, situational indeed.

Not sure when I'd even feel secure doing mushrooms. Probably a year or two from now. But as far as acid goes, it's a simple matter of negative associations with specific characteristics of acid. Like learning to dislike a food from having puked it up a number of times as a kid... only you're instead making an association with one of the most sad and traumatic things of your life.

I'm somewhat concerned even with the drugs aside. I've always been pretty confident in the idea of flashbacks are a rare enough phenomenon that I didn't need to worry about them. However, I'm well aware of how real post traumatic stress disorder is. And that night was the most traumatic, and one of the most stressful experiences of my life.

A wonderful chemical, but unfortunately there are times where one has to learn to let go.

Oh, and as far as those making claims of: brain melting, spine this or that, chromosome damage, permanent trips, or turning into a glass of orange juice... politely correct them with the facts, and witness the automatic defense mode they go in to every single time. Then laugh and shrug them away.


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