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Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel
#5940088 - 08/07/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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BOMBAY, 6 August 2006 — In a country widely referred to as the world’s largest democracy, the Indian government has succumbed to mounting Israeli pressure and ordered a nationwide ban on the broadcast of Arab television channels.
The Indian government’s ban on Arab television stations is in complete contrast to the friendship that Arab countries imagine exists with their neighbor across the Arabian Sea. It seems the ban is a move to ensure that Indians do not get to see the atrocities that are presently being committed by Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories.
Nabila Al-Bassam, a Saudi businesswoman on a trip to Bombay, told Arab News how she became exasperated at not being able to watch Arab channels at Bombay’s leading five-star Oberoi Hotel. When she took up the issue with the hotel manager, she was told that Arab television channels had been banned across India.
A perplexed Al-Bassam then sent an SMS to Arab News Editor in Chief Khaled Almaeena to verify whether this was indeed the case. “Oberoi Hotel tells me that the government of India has banned all Arab TV channels. Why? I hate watching CNN and BBC,” she wrote to Almaeena.
Talking to Arab News, Oberoi Hotel Manager Mohit Nirula did allude to the fact that a ban was in place. “The Ministry of Information and Broadcasting has laid down certain rules. It is our duty to abide by and follow the rules of the country,” he told this correspondent.
Minister of Information and Broadcasting Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi was busy in Parliament and was unavailable for comment on the issue. However, a ministry official explained why the Indian government decided to enforce the ban. The official highlighted that India enjoys close and cordial relations with Israel and the US more than any of the Arab governments.
According to another source within the government, the ban is a clear sign to all governments in the Middle East that the Israeli, American and British governments carry far more influence in India than any of the Arab governments.
Several senior Indian journalists explained that the ban was an indication that India had succumbed to Israeli pressure rather than American.
“The whole exercise is to browbeat Arabs and show them as terrorists. The government is subscribing to the absurd argument that channels like Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya promote hatred and encourage terrorism,” they said.
Political analysts in India described the move as a game of double standard that India is playing. On the one hand India establishes friendship with the Arab world while simultaneously it joins with Israel and the US in defaming them. It seems that the pro-Israeli lobby wishes to drive a wedge between India and its time-tested Arab allies. The Indian government’s present stance is in stark contrast to the late Mrs. Indira Gandhi’s staunch support of the Palestinian cause.
The banning of Arabic channels is a federal government decision, done under what senior Indian journalists claim to be intense pressure from the Israeli, American and British governments.
The Indian government has been vocal in its condemnation of Israeli barbarity and has offered millions of rupees in aid to refugees in Lebanon. Arabs sympathetic to India have therefore met the news with surprise.
Many Arabs draw inspiration from India’s heroic struggle against British imperialism and the Indian independence struggle is seen by Palestinians as a brilliant example of throwing out the yoke of imperialism. It is sad that 50 years after independence the world’s largest democracy unfairly suppresses alternative opinion and allows itself to be dictated to by foreign powers.
The analysts believe the Indian government may have used a clause within the Cable TV Networks (Regulation) Act, 1995, that certain channels or programs that can potentially cause damage to India’s friendly relations with foreign countries can be banned, a clear violation of democratic ideals such as freedom of expression and freedom of speech.
The response to the ban by hotel administrations across Bombay has been dismal. Chad Alberico, JW Marriott’s customer care official in Washington, said: “We have reviewed your recent inquiries regarding the television offerings at our JW Marriott Bombay. We have phoned our colleagues at the hotel to discuss the matter at hand, but as it is the weekend, we will need additional time to form a complete response.”
“I’m on my way home, it’s the weekend and I will respond on Monday,” said Shehnaz Ankelsaria from the Taj President Hotel. Annan Udeshi from The Hilton was unavailable and asked for a message to be left on her recorder. Khushnooma Kapadia of Marriott Hotel said she would get back later. Rafat Kazi from the Grand Central Sheraton said that she would answer after consulting her general manager. Puja Guleria of Sheraton Maratta said she needed time to deal with the questions. Firuza Mistry of Grand Hyatt said that she was not aware of the facts and would check and respond, and Priya Mathias of Hyatt Regency said that she would also need to check with her senior officials to comment.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
#5940114 - 08/07/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Real nice MAIA
" It seems the ban is a move to ensure that Indians do not get to see the atrocities that are presently being committed by Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories."
What atrocities MAIA? Lieing liars telling lies.
Or maybe they just don't want to succumb to the obvious propogandist lies that might just be the sum total of those "media" outlets (Yeah, "free" Arab press telling the truth. You funny.) And your source, arabnews.com, they are sooooo obviously non partisan. This doesn't even purport to be a news article, it's an editorial. Not one named source in the whole thing. If CNN and the BBC aren't adequate propogandists for the Arab lie machine to suit this woman she is obviously a plant. Staged man on the street interviews, anyone?
Hysterical nitwittery and you bought it whole. And then you brought it here. For shame.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: " It seems the ban is a move to ensure that Indians do not get to see the atrocities that are presently being committed by Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories."
What atrocities MAIA? Lieing liars telling lies.
Oh, you know, the things that Sumner Redstone doesn't let Viacom show, dead babies and such. Of course, we all know that Hezbollah hides their Katyhsuhas inside young children, making them great targets for the cowardly heebs to fly over and carpet bomb them. Are you yourself Jewish, y any chance?
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Or maybe they just don't want to succumb to the obvious propogandist lies that might just be the sum total of those "media" outlets (Yeah, "free" Arab press telling the truth. You funny.) And your source, arabnews.com, they are sooooo obviously non partisan. This doesn't even purport to be a news article, it's an editorial. Not one named source in the whole thing. If CNN and the BBC aren't adequate propogandists for the Arab lie machine to suit this woman she is obviously a plant. Staged man on the street interviews, anyone?
So, you think that it's just fine, nothing untoward, about a Jewish lobby stopping the Arab side of the story from getting out? Most people just aren't smart enough to realize that the Arab side is bias. Fortunately, we've got enough zionist-owned media outlet to hear the real, unbias side of the story.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#5940140 - 08/07/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Israel-Lebanon fighting leads Arab media
CAIRO, Egypt — For Arab news media, the war between Israel and Hezbollah is a fresh chapter in a tale with strong emotional pull and well-defined enemies, and has pushed Iraq to the back of newscasts and off front pages.
“Iraqi news has not been ignored by the Arab satellite channels’ newscast, it still exists, but has decreased sharply in the last two weeks,” said Sameeha Dahroug, the former head of Egypt’s Nile satellite channel.
As with any breaking story, experts say, the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah is new and more compelling than the bloody but murky Iraq conflict.
The Israeli-Hezbollah struggle also better strikes emotional and historical chords with the Arab audience than does Iraq, where Arabs are fighting each other as well as the United States.
“In Lebanon, the case is completely different. We have a peaceful unarmed people, who are held close to every Arab heart, facing a destructive Israeli military machine - the first enemy of the Arabs - absolutely without pretext,” Dahroug said.
More than 400 civilians, mostly Lebanese, have been killed in the fighting, the focus of much Arab media coverage. Unlike American television and newspapers, reports in Arab media - much of which is state-controlled - feature graphic photos of dead children, disemboweled bodies and severed limbs.
The reports heighten the already anti-Israeli and anti-U.S. sentiment among Arabs.
“The confrontation with Israel is always in the Arab mind,” said Abdel Bari Taher, a Yemeni political analyst at the Yemeni Center for Study and Research and also former head of the Journalists’ Syndicate there. And Arabs see Lebanon “as the beating heart of the region - the media, cultural and tourism center - anything that happens in Lebanon affects the larger Arab world automatically.”
Abdul Khaleq Abdulla, a U.S.-educated political scientist at Emirates University in the United Arab Emirates, a U.S. ally in the Iraq war, said the news coverage of Lebanon is deepening Arab hatred of the United States.
“People hold America morally and politically responsible for this. They hate America at this point, and it will last,” he said. “They see the destruction of Iraq and Palestine on a daily basis. And now they see destruction in Lebanon on a daily basis. The blame leads through Tel Aviv and straight to Washington.”
The Arab media emphasize that Israel’s bombing of Lebanon is being carried out with U.S.-made F-16 and F-15 warplanes dropping U.S.-made guided bombs - paid for with American tax dollars. This week, front pages splashed reports that Washington was rushing an emergency shipment of “bunker buster” bombs to Israel’s air force.
Some Arab regimes quietly share Israel’s low opinion of Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran, and offered criticism at the time of the Hezbollah raid. But those opinions have been forced below the surface by Israel’s attacks on Lebanon.
“Lebanon is very important for Arabs, and its significance comes from the large number of Arab tourists and investors in the country. Many Arabs have families living there,” said Nekhleh al-Haj, news director at the Al-Arabiya satellite news channel.
Four Dubai-owned television stations said a Friday telethon raised $13.4 million for the Lebanese people, some 750,000 of whom have been left homeless.
While Arabs still care about Iraq, “the horrors we see there today, regrettably, are commonplace,” al-Haj said, while the Lebanon story is fresh. “The sad thing is that the car bombs and other attacks have become as routine, not news for the audience.”
Also, it is easier to cover Lebanon.
“We have lots of reporters in place and so far they have not been targeted, unlike in Iraq, where it is so dangerous and reporters can’t move freely,” he said.
Not that it is completely safe. At least one journalist has been killed.
Meanwhile, the Committee to Protect Journalists, based in New York, said it had asked Israel to investigate why its jets fired missiles near Arab television crews covering the effects of its bombardment in Khaim, Lebanon, on July 22. Israel denies targeting journalists.
Jamal Dejani, director of Middle Eastern Affairs at the U.S. satellite network Link TV, gathers reports from across the Arabic media. He said the shift away from Iraq coverage, especially on independent networks, reflects a quest for ratings, much like American television.
Al-Jazeera, the pan-Arab satellite channel, has labeled the current fighting in Israel and Lebanon “The Sixth War,” comparing it in history to the epic battles of the past in the Arab-Israel conflict.
It’s “the saga that has gone on for decades. It reflects how people are seeing this war,” Dejani said.
By comparison, “one more car bomb in Baghdad, another 100 killed … the sex appeal of it has weakened,” he said, not only on Arab television but in American media, too.
“You have (CNN’s) Anderson Cooper parachuting into Beirut, all these superstars are heading into Lebanon. Even (CNN’s) Dr. (Sanjay) Gupta.
“I was watching thinking that he’d tell me about my cholesterol, but he’s running around putting his face on the camera and giving his take on the hospitals there. If it’s good enough for Sanjay Gupta, it’s enough to kill (the) Iraq (story).”
Associated Press reporters Jim Krane in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and Tarek El-Tablawy in New York contributed to this report.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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Israel’s military censorship and war reporting in Lebanon
In managing media coverage from Israel of the war in Lebanon, Israeli officials are implementing military censorship guidelines which make specific provisions about general news coverage, coverage of activity leading to the ground operation and coverage of actual combat.
For example, it is “strictly forbidden to show a picture of the full battle coverage, with an emphasis of identifying the location (long shot pictures)”.
Another provision states: “There is a special emphasis on matters regarding the activity of special forces and the use of unique kinds of ammunition and weaponry.”
IDF takes media into Lebanon
International news agencies note that although the army has made available cockpit footage of attacks on Hezbollah positions, few photographs have emerged after fierce ground clashes in southern Lebanon.
The daily briefings which IDF officers used to hold, which were on the record and sometimes live on air, were suspended earlier this week, Israeli newspaper Haaretz’s Arab affairs correspondent Yoav Stern told the BBC. But Israeli briefings to journalists from all media in closed forums have continued.
The IDF does not have any “embedded” reporters with its units. But on 26 July Israeli forces took some reporters into Lebanon for a few hours.
Israel’s Hebrew-language media are concentrating on the Israeli casualties from Katyusha rockets, the dead soldiers and the daily sirens and shelling in the Galilee.
Haaretz newspaper on 28 July interviewed Israeli soldiers wounded in the battle for Bint Jubayl on 26 July. One corporal told the paper: “It was hell on earth.” And he added that Hezbollah fighters had demonstrated impressive combat capabilities. “They are strong fighters, not like us, but better than Hamas,” he said.
Yoav Stern told the BBC: “In Haaretz we try to give a few items a day on what’s going on in Lebanon, not easy considering the fact that Lebanese and even foreigners in Lebanon are not very happy to talk to Israelis, to say the least. I think that you can find the numbers of Lebanese casualties in all media, but the question is how much space is given to this.”
While some Israelis might look at Al-Jazeera “to get a glimpse about what the other side thinks, since Arabic is not very common here, I can’t say it’s a widespread phenomenon,” Stern added.
Video cameras for IDF troops
Israeli censorship is still strong when it comes to sensitive aspects of the military operations, such as how to show on TV the damage at sites where missiles have fallen.
On 25 July Associated Press reported that the Israeli army had equipped its soldiers in Lebanon with video cameras, hoping they would return from the battlefield with footage of Hezbollah casualties and weapon stockpiles.
“The move is Israel’s latest attempt to ward off criticism that it is restricting media access to the front despite daily media briefings by top generals. Israel has not allowed reporters to accompany the troops and its censors can delay the release of information,” Associated Press noted.
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#5940146 - 08/07/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Indian govt gives in to media owners, defers Broadcast Bill
The controversial Broadcasting Services Regulation Bill 2006 will not be tabled in the ongoing Parliament session after all. The Union ministry of parliamentary affairs has listed ten Bills for introduction during the sesion; the Broadcast Bill is not among them. The government’s decision to pull the Bill off the list comes in the wake of the representations made by media owners to the information and broadcasting (I&B) ministry during the month of July. NO STORM THIS SESSION: The Union ministry of parliamentary affairs has listed ten Bills for introduction during the ongoing Parliament sesion; the Broadcast Bill is not among them. The government’s decision to pull the Bill off the list comes in the wake of the representations made by media owners to the information and broadcasting (I&B) ministry in July.
I&B minister Priyaranjan Dasmunsi is slated to meet top representatives from the media and entertainment industry in early August to ascertain their views on the Bill. “The minister will be meeting industry representatives in early August to address their concerns and apprehensions,” official sources in Delhi said last week. The government has already initiated steps to take stock of the industry’s views on the Bill after it came in for heavy flak over the draconian steps proposed in the draft Bill.
I&B secretary SK Arora told the national media committee of the Confederation of Indian Industries (CII) last week, “We are preparing a concept note on the Bill which will be circulated within the media industry before tabling the Bill in Parliament.” The CII committee was represented by Business Standard editor TN Ninan, Zee’s Jawahar Goel, star India CEO Peter Mukherjea, India Today Editor-in-Chief Aroon Purie, Tribune Editor-in-Chief HK Dua, apart from representatives from Reliance, BBC and NDTV.
This was the third meeting in July where government officials met industry representatives. Earlier this month, representatives from the Indian Media Group (IMG) and the Indian Broadcasting Foundations had also met Arora and expressed their views on the proposed Bill. IMG is an association of 55 television, radio and publication companies, all Indian, while IBF is a grouping of all major broadcasters.
The media owners, however, seemed to be more concerned about commercial effects of the Bill than freedom of expression. The Bill proposes to cap cross-media ownership at 20 per cent and restructure sharholding patterns. A broadcaster, therefore, cannot have more than 20 per cent stake in another broadcasting network, a cable network or DTH or a radio network. The Bill also says that a broadcaster/group cannot control more than 15 per cent of the total number of television channels in the country, nor can they have more than 15 per cent of total viewership.
Though the proposed Bill had a number of clauses that were seen as dangerous for freedom of expression, it is actually commercial interests that have prevailed over the Union government to hold back the Broadcast Bill. In the last one month that big media owners kept the pressure on the government, there were no reports of journalists’ organisations or free expression / civil liberties groups doing likewise. At least, they did not make news. CONTENTIOUS: The Bill — which will effectively regulate private broadcasting — provides for punishment like revocation of licences and fines on those who violate the proposed broadcast guidelines, including the Content Code under preparation, if their service is considered “prejudicial to friendly relations with a foreign country, public order, communal harmony or security of the state,” which are not specifically defined.
The only condemnation had come from the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ). “While IFJ supports any move to prevent monopolistic control of the media in the hands of a few corporations, journalists and unions must ensure that the proposed changes to the Broadcasting Services Regulation Bill do not allow for the abuse or stretching of the law by the Indian government in any situation,” said IFJ President Christopher Warren.
There is also concern that the Bill — which will effectively regulate private broadcasting — provides for punishment like revocation of licences and fines on those who violate the proposed broadcast guidelines, including the Content Code under preparation, if their service is considered “prejudicial to friendly relations with a foreign country, public order, communal harmony or security of the state,” which are not specifically defined.
“IFJ, along with its affiliates in India, must monitor the establishment of the new Broadcasting Bill to ensure that press freedom isn’t restricted or violated, and that it does in fact benefit journalists and allows for free dissemination of news to communities,” Warren said. The National Union of Journalists (NUJ), the Indian Journalists’ Union (IJU), and the All-India Newspaper Employees Federation (AINEF) are affiliates of IFJ in India.
Though Dasmunshi has repeatedly been insisting that he would be introducing an extremely media-friendly law, it is not clear whether this friendliness would have an affinity more towards media owners or media workers (read, freedom of expression advocates). One would have to wait for another session of Parliament for that.
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... and last but not least:
India to go ahead with draconian broadcast Bill
After a week of keeping critics on tenterhooks, the Indian government now seems determined to push through the draconian Broadcasting Services Regulation Bill 2006. Once made into an Act, it would be something that would even made Russian President Vladimir Putin blush. WHO’S TALKING? The Union minister for information and broadcasting Priyaranjan Dasmunshi attempted to lob the ball into the court of the mainstream English media, according to a Press Trust of India (PTI) report. “Do their journalists enjoy freedom in their own organisations and is their work not subjected to pressures from the management?” Dasmunshi questioned.
On July 16, Union minister for information and broadcasting Priyaranjan Dasmunshi not only ruled out any discussion with the broadcasting industry, but went on to assert that the Bill would neither be “diluted” nor “polluted”. If that was not all, the minister promised to bring up the Bill in the ensuing monsoon session of Parliament. The monsoon session of Parliament will be held between July 24 and August 19.
“I can say with responsibility that the Bill will be a media-friendly, progressive legislation not seen anywhere in the world,” Dasmunshi said at the one-day conference of the Indian Languages Newspaper Association in New Delhi. The minister, however, did not say why he repeatedly fails to condemn attacks on journalists in India.
The minister attempted to lob the ball into the court of the mainstream English media, according to a Press Trust of India (PTI) report. “Do their journalists enjoy freedom in their own organisations and is their work not subjected to pressures from the management?” he questioned. Dasmunsi said the media was correct in highlighting the shortcomings of the government or its various schemes. “However, if you just report the negative and do not highlight the positive, it will not help anyone,” he said.
That the government is adamant about pushing through the Bill unilaterally was evident from the response of the information and broadcasting secretrary SK Arora to a delegation of the Indian Media Group (IMG) which met the bureaucrat last week. He told them that drawing up the legislation was the prerogative of the government and it may or may not consult broadcasters at every stage. So far, it has not any any stage.
The media owners, however, seemed to be more concerned about commercial effects of the Bill than freedom of expression. The Bill proposes to cap cross-media ownership at 20 per cent and restructure sharholding patterns. A broadcaster, therefore, cannot have more than 20 per cent stake in another broadcasting network, a cable network or DTH or a radio network. Just like FM Radio operators, television networks will not be allowed to own more than 15 per cent of the total number of channels. IMG is not a press freedom association, but one of domestic media and entertainment companies. GLASS HOUSE: The Sahara Samay office. The Bill proposes to cap cross-media ownership at 20 per cent and restructure sharholding patterns. A broadcaster, therefore, cannot have more than 20 per cent stake in another broadcasting network, a cable network or DTH or a radio network. Just like FM Radio operators, television networks will not be allowed to own more than 15 per cent of the total number of channels. (Sahara Samay)
The dismissive attitude of the government over consultation with the media over the proposed Act comes days after reports that it was likely to take a relook at some of the contentious clauses of the Bill and was keen to take the media industry into confidence before getting on with the process of formulating laws for governing them.
“The information and broadcasting secretary assured us that he will look into the contentious provisions of the draft bill and will do everything possible to involve the industry in the consultation process,” officials of the Indian Broadcasting Foundation (IBF) told the Financial Express after a meeting with secretary Arora.
Meanwhile, the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) has expressed concern over the Bill which also hints at strict content regulation for news channels. “While IFJ supports any move to prevent monopolistic control of the media in the hands of a few corporations, journalists and unions must ensure that the proposed changes to the Broadcasting Services Regulation Bill do not allow for the abuse or stretching of the law by the Indian government in any situation,” said IFJ President Christopher Warren.
There is also concern that the Bill — which will effectively regulate private broadcasting —provides for punishment like revocation of licences and fines on those who violate the proposed broadcast guidelines, including the Content Code under preparation, if their service is considered “prejudicial to friendly relations with a foreign country, public order, communal harmony or security of the state,” which are not specifically defined.
“IFJ, along with its affiliates in India, must monitor the establishment of the new Broadcasting Bill to ensure that press freedom isn’t restricted or violated, and that it does in fact benefit journalists and allows for free dissemination of news to communities,” Warren said. UNDER WATCH Every authorised BRAI officer shall have the power to prohibit any service provider from transmitting or retransmitting any programme or channel, “if it is not in conformity with the prescribed Content Code, or if it is likely to promote feelings of disharmony or of enmity, hatred or ill-will between religious, racial, linguistic or regional groups or castes or communities or which is likely to disturb public tranquility.”
The Broadcast Bill 1997 could never be enacted because of innumerable contentious issues that were embedded in the draft legislation. The new Bill codifies a framework of guidelines and proposes to set up a Broadcasting Regulatory Authority of India (BRAI) with both a licensing and oversight function covering terrestrial as well as satellite services and cable networks, including DTH, conditional access systems, emerging digital/computer modes and community radio. Licensing would be mandatory.
It is the attempts to control content which threatens freedom of expression. BRAI can refuse to register a channel or even cancel its registration, after due hearing, if its content “is likely to threaten the security and integrity of the State or threaten peace and harmony or public order in the whole or part of the country.”
BRAI can also do the same if the name or logo or symbol of a channel is in any way obscene, similar to that of a terrorist organisation or the brand or symbol of any prohibited product, or similar to that of any well-known foreign channel. The phrase “likely to threaten” could permit subjective or vindictive judgements to prevail without redress other than petitioning the Supreme Court for exceeding “reasonable restrictions” as permitted under Article 19(2) of the Constitution, wrote columnist and veteran journalist BG Verghese in Daily News & Analysis.
“You can’t promise freedom with clauses and caveats. So, when the government says the Bill it is bringing to Parliament is not meant to curb the freedom of the media, but only to ensure your and my freedoms, you can be sure there’s serious doubletalk. This is not a space the State is supposed to enter, certainly not in a robust democracy as we claim ourselves to be,” filmmaker Pritish Nandy wrote in the Times of India.
Every authorised BRAI officer shall have the power to prohibit any service provider from transmitting or retransmitting any programme or channel, “if it is not in conformity with the prescribed Content Code, or if it is likely to promote feelings of disharmony or of enmity, hatred or ill-will between religious, racial, linguistic or regional groups or castes or communities or which is likely to disturb public tranquility.” According to the draft Bill, the government will have the power to make rules from time to time. GLASS HOUSE: A video grab shows Matunga Station in Mumbai after the blast July 11, 2006. It is the attempts to control content which threatens freedom of expression. BRAI can refuse to register a channel or even cancel its registration, after due hearing, if its content “is likely to threaten the security and integrity of the State or threaten peace and harmony or public order in the whole or part of the country.” (Reuters/CNN-IBN)
Moreover, every authorised BRAI officer shall have the powers to inspect, search, seize equipment under Section 24 and prosecute on a written complaint by the concerned licensing authority, according to the draft Bill which has proposed setting up of a broadcast regulator, which would issue licences to cable operators.
Apart from empowering government officials of the ranks of district magistrate, sub-divisional magistrate or police commissioner to barge into newsrooms are seize equipment, Section 37 makes it clear that the officials’ action cannot be challenged even in court. “No civil court shall have the jurisdiction to entertain any suit or proceedings in respect of any matter which the Authority or the Licensing Authority is empowered by or under this Act to determine,” the draft Bill says.
“The State now wants to arrogate to itself the right to storm into any press, any broadcasting studio, any cyber cafe to stop news from reaching you and me. And, horror of horrors, it demands that the law cannot intervene. Even Idi Amin’s Uganda and Saddam’s Iraq would have been ashamed of such a Bill. How come India 2006 is even considering it?” Nandy wondered.
“It has been the universal experience of nations that it is far too dangerous to entrust such sweeping powers of controlling content to the government. Such powers are bound to be misused by the government, which will eventually completely compromise the freedom of the media and reduce them to instruments of the government. These provisions will also violate of the fundamental right of free speech, which includes a free press, and should be struck down as being unconstitutional,” Supreme Court lawyer and rights activist Prashant Bhushan wrote in Outlook.
One will have to wait till Parliament starts deliberations on the Bill.
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I googled Nabila magilla and found this right off
"Across the border in Saudi Arabia, even the notion of a debate is anathema. Saudi Arabia has virtually no political culture. "We don't need democracy, we have our own 'desert democracy," explained Nabila al-Bassam, a Saudi woman who ran her own clothing and gift store in Dhahran. What she was referring to was an ancient desert tradition known as the majlis, weekly gatherings hosted by members of the ruling family, where any of their subjects were free to present petitions or air grievances. In fact, the majlis was an intensely feudal scene, with respectful subjects waiting humbly for a fefw seconds' opportunity to whisper in their prince's ear.
Nabila told me of a friend who had recently petitioned King Fahd's wife to allow the legal import of hair-salon equipment. Technically, hairdressing salons were banned in Saudi Arabia, where the religious establishment frowned on anything that drew women from their houses. In fact, thriving salons owned by prominent Saudis and staffed by Filipina or Syrian beauticians did a roaring trade. "My friend is tired of having to run her business in secret," Nabila said. But so far she had received no response to her petition. "Petitions do work," said Nabila. "But in this society you have to do things on a friendly basis, like a family. You can ask for things, but you can't just reach out and take things as if it's your right." A rejected petitioner had no choice but to accept the al-Sauds' decision. With no free press and no way to mobilize public opinion, the al-Sauds ruled as they liked." http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/005798.html An aplogist for Islamofascism. Is this the kind of woman you want to be? Subservient to men?
And this: "Al Bassam is in the capital these days as part of an 18-member delegation sent by the Saudi government on a PR exercise before King Abdullah’s state visit begins next week." http://www.dnaindia.com/sunreport.asp?Newsid=1008890 That is from 1/21/06
You know what's really good? She talks about Saudis having "our own 'desert democracy' (which isn't but that's neither here nor there) and the from the second link I learn this: "With her unveiled head and flourishing business, she’s hardly your typical Saudi woman. Yet, in many ways she is. As she freely admits, she’s got where she is today because of the men in her life. In the beginning, it was her father who educated her in India and then at the American University in Beirut."
The woman is an Islamofascist shill who will do and say anything to protect her priveleged positon in Saudi society.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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So, because India has a cowardly gov't with no backbone, Israel is somehow to blame for this?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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zappaisgod said: " It seems the ban is a move to ensure that Indians do not get to see the atrocities that are presently being committed by Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories."
What atrocities MAIA? Lieing liars telling lies.
Oh, you know, the things that Sumner Redstone doesn't let Viacom show, dead babies and such. Of course, we all know that Hezbollah hides their Katyhsuhas inside young children, making them great targets for the cowardly heebs to fly over and carpet bomb them. Are you yourself Jewish, y any chance?
I don't know what news you get, but I've seen lot's of pictures of dead babies. Lot's of the same ones too at lots of different times. Maybe Redstone thinks its in bad taste. But the MSM is loaded with dead baby pictures. Maybe its a TV thing. Or aren't you getting enough dead baby porn on your over the air networks?
They actually are firing rockets from civilian areas and there is no carpetbombing. So, Helmut, howsabout linking to these "atrocities"? Lieing liars telling lies.
No, Helmut, I am neither a Jew nor of Jewish descent. I am of as lily white European descent as your nazi self could possibly dream of
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Or maybe they just don't want to succumb to the obvious propogandist lies that might just be the sum total of those "media" outlets (Yeah, "free" Arab press telling the truth. You funny.) And your source, arabnews.com, they are sooooo obviously non partisan. This doesn't even purport to be a news article, it's an editorial. Not one named source in the whole thing. If CNN and the BBC aren't adequate propogandists for the Arab lie machine to suit this woman she is obviously a plant. Staged man on the street interviews, anyone?
So, you think that it's just fine, nothing untoward, about a Jewish lobby stopping the Arab side of the story from getting out? Most people just aren't smart enough to realize that the Arab side is bias. Fortunately, we've got enough zionist-owned media outlet to hear the real, unbias side of the story.
I saw absolutely nothing in that editorial that led me to believe that anything stated there was accurate. Except Nabilla gorilla complained about something.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't really know what's your point besides going off topic with your post. Re read the main topic again. This is about India and the new bill on media freedom which directly affects the broadcast of arab tv on that country, not the saudi arabia and its lack of freedom. Is this your "objective" way to prove me wrong ?
One thing you managed to explain. Regardless of a country being fascist, communist or democratic, there're always means to control the media.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Redstorm]
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Of course this subject is a complex one, and most probably Israel is not the only state lobbying with India. Still, some questions remain, like who has the biggest interest on censoring crippled and dead Lebanese on the media ?
On the other hand, shifting the issue to India having a "cowardly gov't with no backbone", instead of dealing with the root of it - which is the fact that Israel does use its lobbying techniques to hide facts from the public - , won't help you deal objectively with this subject.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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Your first article is a series of Arab propoganda
"“In Lebanon, the case is completely different. We have a peaceful unarmed people, who are held close to every Arab heart, facing a destructive Israeli military machine - the first enemy of the Arabs - absolutely without pretext,” Dahroug said."
Yep, aint no rockets or kidnappers in Lebanon.
Second article concerned Israeli censorship of military operations. Well fucking duh, they're in a war.
Three and four, although incredibly tedious and lengthy, at no point in either one did I see a mention of either arab media or an Israeli foreign hand lobbying to squelch them. Which was the whole point of your first lying piece of propoganda from arabnews, that Israel had successfully lobbied to get Arab news off the air in India. Is it dishonest to post an interminable article that doesn't in the least back up your premise in the hopes that nobody will actually read it? There is an awful lot of that going on here and yours is the latest example.
So let's have it pal, some proof that Israel successfully managed to censor arab news in India. Or don't you have it?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
#5940280 - 08/07/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing you managed to explain. Regardless of a country being fascist, communist or democratic, there're always means to control the media.
MAIA
My point, which you have entirely missed in your zeal to find some example of censorship, is that there is not a shred of credible evidence in that editorial. The only quoted person is Nabila and she is a Saudi shill. No Indian is quoted by name. Not one saying what the editorial purports as a fact. And neither of your other articles make that assertion at all.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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Redstorm said: So, because India has a cowardly gov't with no backbone, Israel is somehow to blame for this?
Of course this subject is a complex one, and most probably Israel is not the only state lobbying with India. Still, some questions remain, like who has the biggest interest on censoring crippled and dead Lebanese on the media ?
On the other hand, shifting the issue to India having a "cowardly gov't with no backbone", instead of dealing with the root of it - which is the fact that Israel does use its lobbying techniques to hide facts from the public - , won't help you deal objectively with this subject.
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And we are breathlessly awaiting any evidence you may produce to show that Israel has lobbied the Indian Gov't to squelch Arab news. Now, deal objectively with that.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
#5940287 - 08/07/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Israel's lobby is not the main offender here. Lobbyists do what furthers their cause; this should not be a suprise to you. India needs to do what they need to to show that they are a legitimate democracy. Guaranteeing freedom of press would be a good step in the right direction.
I disagree with you that the Israeli lobby is the root of the problem. I believe that a country who's sovereignty is pretty much a joke goes much deeper than this. Also, I don't know where you get off accusing everyone who disagrees with you of not being "objective". I don't see you being any more unbiased than anyone else posting their beliefs here.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#5940313 - 08/07/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh? What about Israeli kidnappers? Need I mention a wee little farm that Israel decided to take over and prevent family members from visiting? What, about ten thousand people there, right? But, of course, the lives of a thousand arabs aren't worth one Jew fingernail according to "our" media.
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And even when they aren't, they censor it. When they are out commiting terrorist acts in foreign countries,censor it! Cover it up! When they bomb a US ship, censor it, cover it up.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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Oh? What about Israeli kidnappers? Need I mention a wee little farm that Israel decided to take over and prevent family members from visiting? What, about ten thousand people there, right? But, of course, the lives of a thousand arabs aren't worth one Jew fingernail according to "our" media.
What farm, Helmut? Shebaa? It aint even part of Lebanon. You keep bringing that up but never link to any info. How come? Territory won in a war and all. Or should we give Texas back to Mexico?
And "our" media doesn't seem to be bending over backwards for the Israelis, in case you haven't noticed
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And even when they aren't, they censor it. When they are out commiting terrorist acts in foreign countries,censor it! Cover it up! When they bomb a US ship, censor it, cover it up.
I guess you found out about that from your super secret Aryan (un)intelligence network.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#5940342 - 08/07/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The sustainable cease-fire that Condi Rice is aiming for includes some lineation of Shebaa Farms. Or is the U.S. State Department becoming stooges for those eeeevil Araaaabs?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Basilides]
#5940351 - 08/07/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, let's fucking see it. Is that too much to ask?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#5940366 - 08/07/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What farm, Helmut? Shebaa? It aint even part of Lebanon. You keep bringing that up but never link to any info. How come? Territory won in a war and all. Or should we give Texas back to Mexico?
So when Israel puts up a fence around a farm community of a few thousand and prevents them from leaving, travelling or seeing their families, thats just a happy fun camp. When Hezbollah captures two heeb's, its WWIII? Gotcha.
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I guess you found out about that from your super secret Aryan (un)intelligence network.
The USS Liberty? Try "google" and see watcha get.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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More sources, http://www.despardes.com/
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Quoting another source within the Indian government, the paper reported the ban is a clear sign to all governments in the Middle East that the Israeli, American and British governments carry far more influence in India than any of the Arab governments.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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So when Israel puts up a fence around a farm community of a few thousand and prevents them from leaving, travelling or seeing their families, thats just a happy fun camp. When Hezbollah captures two heeb's, its WWIII? Gotcha.
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I guess you found out about that from your super secret Aryan (un)intelligence network.
The USS Liberty? Try "google" and see watcha get.
Yeah, and I got 4 MILLION hits. Some coverup, there Sherlock, which was my point. Oh, and just for your edification, the first link says this, "Survivors tell of a Pentagon cover-up of attack by Israeli war planes and torpedo boats on US spy..." I'm quite sure Helmut thinks the Pentagon was a wholly owned subsidiary of Israel in 1967.
Anyway, here's Wiki "Both the Israeli and American governments have conducted multiple inquiries into the incident, and have issued reports concluding that the attack was a tragic mistake, caused by confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. These conclusions have been challenged from several fronts, most notably by an organization of several Liberty survivors, as well as by some key former high-ranking officials who were in office at the time in the United States government, including the Secretary of State, The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the NSA, and the senior legal counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of of Inquiry into the incident. The matter is officially closed for purposes of Israeli-American relations, but remains controversial in the public debate."
Not quite the slam dunk Helmut would have us believe. Except that Wiki is obviously a tool of the Joooooooooooooooooooooooos.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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This site is from India:
http://www.indiantelevision.com/end/y2k6/aug/7augge1.htm
Now, why a site from India would post such a "lie" ? I mean, it's obvious Israel and probably some of its allies are working their influence in India's government. Weak democracies do make alliances with the so called "super powers" in terms of mass control.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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Quoting another source within the Indian government, the paper reported the ban is a clear sign to all governments in the Middle East that the Israeli, American and British governments carry far more influence in India than any of the Arab governments.
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MAIA, do you even care anymore how ridiculous you make yourself look when you back up the first partisan article by linking to another article that just quotes the first partisan article and consider that to be double sourcing? Are you kidding me?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not quite the slam dunk Helmut would have us believe.
Wikipedia? Are you serious? James Wales, founder, a Jew and a Fellow of the Berkman Center at Harvard. Jeremy Rosenfeld, Benjamin Kovitz, Seth Cohen part of their moderator staff. As I said before, shabbas, if you can't trust Zionist Jews to be fair and accurate about Israel, how can you trust anyone? Maybe I should cite Hamas Media as my "objective source"
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Yea, pretty much. Founded by two Jew ex-porn guys, ran by jews, financed by Jews.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
#5940456 - 08/07/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.indiantelevision.com/end/y2k6/aug/7augge1.htm
Now, why a site from India would post such a "lie" ? I mean, it's obvious Israel and probably some of its allies are working their influence in India's government. Weak democracies do make alliances with the so called "super powers" in terms of mass control.
MAIA
That linkee no workee and your first linkee is a Muslim newsrag that simply quotes the AN editorial without sources. So, let's go. Show me how the Zionist lobby has corrupted the subcontinent's government.
Every single time these Islamist assholes don't get what they want it's because of the Joooooooooooooooos and the Anglos. Fucking whiny loser bitches. By their own hand.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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MAIA, do you even care anymore how ridiculous you make yourself look when you back up the first partisan article by linking to another article that just quotes the first partisan article and consider that to be double sourcing? Are you kidding me?
Jesus, for the sake of a civilized debate, try lowering your tone, will you. I know it's linked back to arabnews, ok ? The important fact is that it was posted on a site from India and not on a arab one.
Btw, hold on your horses, more news will probably see the light of the day later on ...
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
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Not quite the slam dunk Helmut would have us believe.
Wikipedia? Are you serious? James Wales, founder, a Jew and a Fellow of the Berkman Center at Harvard. Jeremy Rosenfeld, Benjamin Kovitz, Seth Cohen part of their moderator staff. As I said before, shabbas, if you can't trust Zionist Jews to be fair and accurate about Israel, how can you trust anyone? Maybe I should cite Hamas Media as my "objective source"
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Yea, pretty much. Founded by two Jew ex-porn guys, ran by jews, financed by Jews.
I had no idea. Which does nothing whatsoever to the facts as stated, nor to my contention that something with 4 million hits hardly qualifies as covered up.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
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Jesus, for the sake of a civilized debate, try lowering your tone, will you. I know it's linked back to arabnews, ok ? The important fact is that it was posted on a site from India and not on a arab one.
Btw, hold on your horses, more news will probably see the light of the day later on ...
MAIA
It's a Muslim news service. There is a whole lot of Muslims living in India. Lots and lots. Millions even.
I'm holding them horses as tight as I can, but they're busting to get out and trample some more.
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Interesting article to better know what motivations might lie behind this move:
Palestinians pay for Indian ambitions By Ramtanu Maitra
During his three-day (August 29-31) visit to New Delhi, Palestinian Foreign Minister Dr Nabil Shaath received a clear reading on how much India has shifted its policy on the Israel-Palestine issue. In an interview with the Chennai-headquartered English news daily, The Hindu, Shaath took on indirectly the new mantra, preached from close to India's highest office, which says that the United States, Israel and India are now ready to join to take on terrorism. Shaath asked rhetorically, "Why? Was not Indonesia subject to terrorism? Was not Morocco subject to terrorism? Why just pick Israel? Were not Palestinians subject to terrorism?"
The fact is that India wants to get close to Israel, and in the process hopes to get closer to the US. Bureaucrats and politicians at India's highest level of policy making believe that the nation's security can be strengthened in the future only by forming a triangular strategic relationship with the US and Israel. Such a triangular alliance would stem the tide against the Islamic terrorists, Pakistan, and anyone else, they believe.
A double whammy At the pragmatic level, the traders and business lobby root for closer relations with Israel. This money-conscious class, which has become most vocal in claiming that business interests should be the key component in India's foreign policy decisions, does not give a damn about Palestine. Since Palestine has little to offer financially or technologically, while Israel can sell to India what the US refuses to sell to India, these pragmatists insist that New Delhi has no option but to court the more "valuable" Israel.
This thinking led to the decision by New Delhi months ago to invite the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to visit India, where he is now on a four-day trip that ends on Thursday. In the period that followed, New Delhi found out that the 130 million or so Indian Muslims and many more Indian Hindus are not particularly happy about India's 180 degree about turn on the Palestine issue. Many Indians were particularly disturbed that New Delhi's decision on the Israel-Palestine issue was made in the US, though not necessarily by the Bush administration.
There is no question that India wants to be "liked" by both the Israelis and the Palestinians, to enjoy the best of both diplomatic worlds. That India must not make a clear choice between Israel and the yet-to-be-born Palestine has always been conventional wisdom in New Delhi. Otherwise, India would appear to be a two-faced nation and not a dependable, forthright and moral nation. However, during the last couple of years, and particularly since September 11, 2001, this evenhanded approach has been superceded by an avid and growing friendship and support for Israel and simultaneous consignment of Palestine to the diplomatic doghouse. Driving this shift is India's conflict with a hostile and Islamic Pakistan nation.
Ten-acre secularism This "unevenness" in India's policy making became blatantly visible this summer, and New Delhi's "secular" crowd went into damage-control mode. As an afterthought, India invited Shaath to visit India a few days before Sharon's arrival, and promised then-Palestinian prime minister Mahmoud Abbas that he, too, would be honored with a visit to India within a month after Sharon leaves. To concretize the tokenism, New Delhi also announced that India would gift 10 acres (four hectares) of prime land in New Delhi's diplomatic area, known as Chanakyapuri, for the purpose of building the Palestine embassy.
This did not particularly impress Shaath. Taking a swipe at India's newfound pro-Israel policy, the foreign minister told The Hindu, "Many people who felt that Israel was the address for the United States failed. And I give the example of Central and Eastern Europe. They all went to Israel to seek relations with the United States; [but] they found it much easier to approach NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) than to approach Israel to do their bidding. Secondly, again, Israel would like to make it look like all the resistance it is facing from the Palestinians is terrorism, to make it look like September 11, which is false. Identifying with that puts you in a position of being anti-Palestinian when there is no need to do so ..."
However, judging by his public statements, Shaath seems not wholly aware of the new cement that bonds India with Israel: namely the flourishing and prosperous Indian community in the US. Having been in the US for four decades or more, Indian-Americans have now achieved financial stability and are looking for a way to intervene in the American political system. Community leaders look up to the Jewish community in America and deeply admire the ability of this small community to play a disproportionate role in many major foreign policies of the US. These Indian-American leaders have found in the Jewish community their role model.
Advantage Israel The push to consolidate the India-US-Israel compact at the strategic level began months ago, but surfaced only recently. Last May, India's National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra was in Washington to form the India-US-Israel axis. In a clear public announcement, made in front of 1,200 dinner guests of the American Jewish Committee (AJC), Brajesh Mishra spoke in support of such a triangular bonding. Mishra proposed, offered and expounded on just about everything to make the case that the three countries must fight terrorism together.
That speech by a non-political authority in a sort of private gathering was just one among many defining moments in a longer process. When Indian Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani was in Washington last June, his brief visit included dinner at the elite Cosmos Club, courtesy of the American Jewish Committee. "It's a natural alliance between Israel and India," said Jason Isaacson, the committee's director of government and international affairs. "It's about trade and common interests between democracies [and], complementing what is the growing relationships between Indian Americans and American Jews," he said. Isaacson has visited India seven times since 1995, and the AJC plans to set up a liaison office in India this year. The organization is also renovating a school in Gujarat, where minority Muslims have been the victims of ethnic violence. As evidence the ties have "come of age", the AJC, the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the US-India Political American Organization hosted a joint reception for Congress on July 16.
Another major event was the first-ever joint Capitol Hill forum that was held on July 16, between the US Indian Political Action Committee, the American Jewish Committee, and AIPAC. The event featured nearly a dozen Congress members from across the US, including Republican Tom Lantos (D-CA) and Republican Gary Ackerman (D-NY). Tom Lantos summarized the binding issue of the evening thus, "We are drawn together by mindless, vicious, fanatic, Islamic terrorism." Congressman Ackerman said that Israel was "surrounded by 120 million Muslims" while "India has 120 millions Muslims [within]".
Subsequently, visiting Israeli special envoy David Ivry told New Delhi that Israel will assist India in its battle against terrorism. Ivry met with External Affairs Minister Yashwant Sinha, Advani and Mishra. Ivry said that a recent speech by Mishra in Washington implied that India, the US and Israel should cooperate in fighting terrorism. "The US can be the leader and we [Israel and India] can contribute as much as we can," he said. He added that sharing of intelligence was very important. But that is not all. The traders' bonding has also become pretty tight.
The Indian lobby that promotes a strong India-Israel business linkage also finds it necessary to justify why Israel should be brought closer. They point out the commonalities that hang these two countries together - India and Israel are both democracies and have survived in a sea of hostility, surrounded by implacable adversaries and a heavily militarized security environment. Both nations have fought wars in nearly every decade of their existence. No other two countries in the world have suffered so much at the hands of state-sponsored Islamic jihadi terrorism as India and Israel, the rhetoric goes.
Money talks But beyond that thin curtain, it is the business potential between India and Israel that drives these lobbyists. In the US, the hard talking strategic analysts from the AJC, and their supporters, are also looking at the business potential that would not only give the supporters of the AJC a leg up in the opening up of the vast market in India, but would also help Indian community leaders in the US to invest more fruitfully.
In India, Israel appeals the most to the military and intelligence community. According to the various pro-Israel lobbies in India, the visit of the Israeli prime minister is centered around three objectives: Israel-India-United States strategic cooperation; Israel-India strategic cooperation in the Indian Ocean in the nuclear context; and Israel-India enhanced defense cooperation.
In the area of defense cooperation, the most important items seem to be the beginning of a dialogue for a joint India-Israel development of a Ballistic Missile Defense system based on the Israeli Arrow system, and consummation of the Israeli sale of the Phalcon Airborne Early Warning and Control system to India with US concurrence. This itself is reflective of Israel-India-US strategic cooperation: earlier the US had vetoed the sale of this system by Israel to China. On the other hand, the Israel-India program for strategic cooperation in the Indian Ocean will be directed toward laying the groundwork to block the Chinese navy's presence in the Indian Ocean. This, of course, would please a section of the most hawkish among American strategists.
Meanwhile, another area of India-Israel cooperation is in the offing: the information technology sector. A greater number of Israeli telecom companies are now expected to set up manufacturing facilities in India for export purposes. While Indian telecom operators are expected to enhance their capabilities with greater sourcing from Israeli vendors, the two countries are also looking at working jointly on research and development.
It would involve intensified joint collaboration initiatives in the sectors of agriculture, telecommunications, software and medical equipment, said sources in India's Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) recently. Israeli industry is also expected to tap avenues for doubling its exports to India from the present level of $1 billion to $3 billion by the end of 2004, a senior official told an Indian news daily. An Indian business news daily, The Financial Express, said recently that even before Sharon arrived in New Delhi a team of leading IT players landed in India. The mission of this delegation was to identify opportunities where the Israeli industry could corner a major chunk of the Indian market. Ahead of the forthcoming visit, New Delhi and Tel Aviv had already started work on the feasibility of a free trade agreement (FTA). According to MEA sources, the proposal for this has been mooted, but is still in a nascent stage.
The news report also quoted the Confederation of Indian Industry's senior advisor for policy, T K Bhaumik, who said, "India is now open to FTAs more than ever before. An FTA with Israel is also being seen as an acceptable idea. It may come up for discussion during Mr Sharon's visit."
Pointing out that there is a tariff mismatch between the two countries, Commerce Ministry officials have, however, said that no view had been taken on this issue as yet. "Our tariff rates are on the higher side and Israeli tariffs are on the lower side. We have to examine the details to figure out the trade-offs," officials said. Asked if politics or economics will dominate Sharon's visit, Bhaumik said, "While politics will definitely be high on the agenda, economics has to be an integral part of any such discussions."
Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EI10Df03.html
Anyway, of course i don't believe Israel will come out and say : "Hey! We are lobbying India so they can ban arab stations on their country" . Lobbies usually go behind the scenes and mostly one only knows the outcome.
One has to dig up more information, more articles like this one, to better understand why sometimes governments change their political stance in order to satisfy international agreements. One can only expect more cooperation between India and Israel ...
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Come on MAIA:
Sep 10, 2003
That's 3 years old and has not one fucking thing to do with Israel lobbying to censor arabnews. How about this:
"The Indian lobby that promotes a strong India-Israel business linkage also finds it necessary to justify why Israel should be brought closer. They point out the commonalities that hang these two countries together - India and Israel are both democracies and have survived in a sea of hostility, surrounded by implacable adversaries and a heavily militarized security environment. Both nations have fought wars in nearly every decade of their existence. No other two countries in the world have suffered so much at the hands of state-sponsored Islamic jihadi terrorism as India and Israel, the rhetoric goes."
From the above link. Come on MAIA, them horses is getting mighty feisty
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You do realize the Wiki is open to articles by people of all races; not just Jews, right?
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But the Joooooooooooooos are in control.
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... the rhetoric goes ...
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rhet·o·ric Audio pronunciation of "rhetoric" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rtr-k) n.
1. 1. The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively. 2. A treatise or book discussing this art. 2. Skill in using language effectively and persuasively. 3. 1. A style of speaking or writing, especially the language of a particular subject: fiery political rhetoric. 2. Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous: His offers of compromise were mere rhetoric. 4. Verbal communication; discourse.
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zappaisgod said: I had no idea. Which does nothing whatsoever to the facts as stated, nor to my contention that something with 4 million hits hardly qualifies as covered up.
Well of course not, shiksa, nothing changes the facts. Arab media is evil and bias and just a bunch of primates, but who can you trust for accurate news about the middle east? Well, the other side of that tribal war, dontcha know! Do you know what a shabbas goy is, shiksa?
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Redstorm said: You do realize the Wiki is open to articles by people of all races; not just Jews, right?
Nope, I'm a complete moron. Maybe you could show this blind old Nazi one single thing on there thats critical to Jews. They once wrote something about a "holocaust denier" (or whatever they call themselveS), and the guy himself came to defend the charges. I guess that Lebowitz and Cohen decided that these comments just didn't fit in with their world-view, so they axed them. Find me five articles, out of their millions, that seem even the slightest critical of Jews, just to prove your point.
Just fo' a lil ole' example...
http://logogo.net/liberty.htm http://www.ussliberty.org/ http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm
Now, those links, from USS Liberty crew members, make charges of war crimes. If you check out... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/agtr5-k.htm ... you can see pictures taken from the liberty. I guess those torpedo boats were just toooo far away to see if the ships were American or not, and the airplanes and helicopters, well, why bother identifying a ship when you are Israel? Is Joel Rosenblum at NBC gonna put on a bad story for ya? A jew CIA director or a jew funded Congress gonna investigatae. I thinks not.
Oh, maybe you could show how much the Wiki article talks about those things. Seems to me it's the typical jew-refutation "Some people belive it's a conspiracy, but Israel says it's not. Now, heres ten paragraphs about how great israel is" Or whatever.... not ONE person tried to edit that to include, say, that the crewmembers think a war crime was perpetrated against them?
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zappaisgod said: I had no idea. Which does nothing whatsoever to the facts as stated, nor to my contention that something with 4 million hits hardly qualifies as covered up.
Well of course not, shiksa, nothing changes the facts. Arab media is evil and bias and just a bunch of primates, but who can you trust for accurate news about the middle east? Well, the other side of that tribal war, dontcha know! Do you know what a shabbas goy is, shiksa?
Let's just stick to discussing your lies and leave those of the arab media alone for now. How can someone call an event with 4 million google hits covered up? I just read your brilliant Chronic and Blunt satire in OTD so I figure you were at least negative 15 years old in 1967. I've heard about this for many many years and Jonathan Pollard is no secret either. Where's the coverup, Helmut? And where's the farm link, too? Don't anyone help him out here, let the boy do his own homework.
Yeah, I know what a Shabbos goy is. Do you know what a shiksa is?
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I definatly know what a shiksa is. It amuses me to call you a piece of unclean meat.
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How can someone call an event with 4 million google hits covered up?
How many people are actually going to read about it though? I doubt most americans will. All a good cover-up needs is to be kept off the tv and out of the papers. Even in this age of widespread net use, the majority of people still get their news from the tv. Also alot of people who do use net websites use mainstream ones which are filtered by the same companies who filter tv news.
Of course this is all my opinion, but I find it very hard to believe the majority of the people in this country really dig for news stories. They take what's plastered on the at face value.
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How can someone call an event with 4 million google hits covered up?
How many people are actually going to read about it though? I doubt most americans will. All a good cover-up needs is to be kept off the tv and out of the papers. Even in this age of widespread net use, the majority of people still get their news from the tv. Also alot of people who do use net websites use mainstream ones which are filtered by the same companies who filter tv news.
Of course this is all my opinion, but I find it very hard to believe the majority of the people in this country really dig for news stories. They take what's plastered on the at face value.
A disgusting amount of them can't name the vice president either, but that doesn't mean his identity is being covered up
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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Maybe the History or Discovery channel can do a story about this. After all, it's one of the biggest naval losses in US history, post the "big wars". Oh, whats that? History and Discovery are part of the Viacom network, owned by Zionist Jew Sumner Redstone? Hmm, might be a while before that comes out. Of course, I"m sure that we'll get THOUSANDS of more shows about Nazi Germany and how Hitler made Jews get fucked by pigs before they were gassed, or some more lampshades and soap mythology, or maybe they can up the numbers from six million to fifty million, just for some sensationalism and extra support.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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Out of sight (tv) out of mind.
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Gee, maybe some of your Nazi loser friends should get their own TV network and broadcast their own content. What? What's that you say? They don't have the money or the audience? Well I'll be damned, 'you mean there's no money in Nazi hate? You don't say? And to think Johnny Knoxville became a star, by being an idiot. Nazis, even dumber than Jackass but without the humor.
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Oh please sir, don't take it as a flame. I don't mean it towards you, I mean it towards frank zappa. Did you take his advice and drop out of school? That would explain a lot about ya
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You gotta be kidding me. That is one of the best compliments I've gotten here.
And nah, I wasted the full 4.
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Full four? Fourth grade? Thats not bad, I'd have guessed less than that.
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Yup, and I still got free teef lef too.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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You continute to impress me.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: " It seems the ban is a move to ensure that Indians do not get to see the atrocities that are presently being committed by Israel in Lebanon and the occupied territories."
What atrocities MAIA? Lieing liars telling lies.
Oh, you know, the things that Sumner Redstone doesn't let Viacom show, dead babies and such. Of course, we all know that Hezbollah hides their Katyhsuhas inside young children, making them great targets for the cowardly heebs to fly over and carpet bomb them. Are you yourself Jewish, y any chance?
I don't know what news you get, but I've seen lot's of pictures of dead babies. Lot's of the same ones too at lots of different times. Maybe Redstone thinks its in bad taste. But the MSM is loaded with dead baby pictures. Maybe its a TV thing. Or aren't you getting enough dead baby porn on your over the air networks?
They actually are firing rockets from civilian areas and there is no carpetbombing. So, Helmut, howsabout linking to these "atrocities"? Lieing liars telling lies.
No, Helmut, I am neither a Jew nor of Jewish descent. I am of as lily white European descent as your nazi self could possibly dream of
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Or maybe they just don't want to succumb to the obvious propogandist lies that might just be the sum total of those "media" outlets (Yeah, "free" Arab press telling the truth. You funny.) And your source, arabnews.com, they are sooooo obviously non partisan. This doesn't even purport to be a news article, it's an editorial. Not one named source in the whole thing. If CNN and the BBC aren't adequate propogandists for the Arab lie machine to suit this woman she is obviously a plant. Staged man on the street interviews, anyone?
So, you think that it's just fine, nothing untoward, about a Jewish lobby stopping the Arab side of the story from getting out? Most people just aren't smart enough to realize that the Arab side is bias. Fortunately, we've got enough zionist-owned media outlet to hear the real, unbias side of the story.
I saw absolutely nothing in that editorial that led me to believe that anything stated there was accurate. Except Nabilla gorilla complained about something.
You are however, married to a Jewish woman, yes? Maybe you are biased?
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zappaisgod said: What farm, Helmut? Shebaa? It aint even part of Lebanon. You keep bringing that up but never link to any info. How come? Territory won in a war and all. Or should we give Texas back to Mexico?
So when Israel puts up a fence around a farm community of a few thousand and prevents them from leaving, travelling or seeing their families, thats just a happy fun camp. When Hezbollah captures two heeb's, its WWIII? Gotcha.
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I guess you found out about that from your super secret Aryan (un)intelligence network.
The USS Liberty? Try "google" and see watcha get.
Yeah, and I got 4 MILLION hits. Some coverup, there Sherlock, which was my point. Oh, and just for your edification, the first link says this, "Survivors tell of a Pentagon cover-up of attack by Israeli war planes and torpedo boats on US spy..." I'm quite sure Helmut thinks the Pentagon was a wholly owned subsidiary of Israel in 1967.
Anyway, here's Wiki "Both the Israeli and American governments have conducted multiple inquiries into the incident, and have issued reports concluding that the attack was a tragic mistake, caused by confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. These conclusions have been challenged from several fronts, most notably by an organization of several Liberty survivors, as well as by some key former high-ranking officials who were in office at the time in the United States government, including the Secretary of State, The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the NSA, and the senior legal counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of of Inquiry into the incident. The matter is officially closed for purposes of Israeli-American relations, but remains controversial in the public debate."
Not quite the slam dunk Helmut would have us believe. Except that Wiki is obviously a tool of the Joooooooooooooooooooooooos.
Wiki is not reliable as it can be edited by ANYONE. Not to mention, it is infact owned by a person of the jewish faith. Go figure.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Anyway, here's Wiki "Both the Israeli and American governments have conducted multiple inquiries into the incident, and have issued reports concluding that the attack was a tragic mistake, caused by confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. These conclusions have been challenged from several fronts, most notably by an organization of several Liberty survivors, as well as by some key former high-ranking officials who were in office at the time in the United States government, including the Secretary of State, The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the NSA, and the senior legal counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of of Inquiry into the incident. The matter is officially closed for purposes of Israeli-American relations, but remains controversial in the public debate."
Not quite the slam dunk Helmut would have us believe.
Wikipedia? Are you serious? James Wales, founder, a Jew and a Fellow of the Berkman Center at Harvard. Jeremy Rosenfeld, Benjamin Kovitz, Seth Cohen part of their moderator staff. As I said before, shabbas, if you can't trust Zionist Jews to be fair and accurate about Israel, how can you trust anyone? Maybe I should cite Hamas Media as my "objective source"
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Except that Wiki is obviously a tool of the Joooooooooooooooooooooooos.
Yea, pretty much. Founded by two Jew ex-porn guys, ran by jews, financed by Jews.
I had no idea. Which does nothing whatsoever to the facts as stated, nor to my contention that something with 4 million hits hardly qualifies as covered up.
If its not covered up, why is there not a yearly memorial service, televised for these fallen soldiers. Why did I never hear a word about it, until I stumbled on it while browsing the internet?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Redstorm]
#5942749 - 08/07/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: You do realize the Wiki is open to articles by people of all races; not just Jews, right?
Moderation team has the final say, and control.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Moderation team has the final say, and control.
So are the moderators on this forum anti-semitic because they allow anti-semitic rhetoric to be posted here?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Silversoul]
#5943495 - 08/08/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: You do realize the Wiki is open to articles by people of all races; not just Jews, right?
Moderation team has the final say, and control.
So are the moderators on this forum anti-semitic because they allow anti-semitic rhetoric to be posted here?
No, because it is balanced out with plenty of pro Israeli rhetoric also.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: MAIA]
#5943508 - 08/08/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: buckwheat]
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fuck the first seconds of that vid
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: quiver]
#5944618 - 08/08/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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alpharedecho asks:
You are however, married to a Jewish woman, yes? Maybe you are biased?
Not an unreasonable question. I will answer by saying that my thoughts on Israel and Jews were fully formed before I was 38 years old, which is how old I was when I met her. So, no, my views on Jews have nothing whatsoever to do with who I am married with except that she wouldn't have married me if I was an antisemite and I wouldn't have married her. A happy coincidence. Them Jewish girls seem to have a real thing for light blue eyes, and I got them in spades.
As far as wiki goes, feh, I don't know, whatever. I still got 4 million hits and the whole point was about a coverup notion. Clearly, there isn't one.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: zappaisgod]
#5944636 - 08/08/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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You married a jew? Were her parents happy with that, bringing home a lay goy for their little princess?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: Silversoul]
#5944639 - 08/08/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: So are the moderators on this forum anti-semitic because they allow anti-semitic rhetoric to be posted here?
Apples:Oranges
Allowing something to appear on a forum doesn't indicate support of it, the media is obviously not designed to be an unbias reporting of facts. If you state your opinion, thats fine, it's up to the reader to determine the validity. Wikipedia claims to have a NPOV (Neutral Point of View). So I guess the first question here, do you think that a NPOV, as defined by Jews, includes having articles against Israel and Zionism? Or having a holocaust "denier" come forth and clarify some issues and beliefs?
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5944641 - 08/08/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thread is not about Zappa's family life. If you people feel like continuing the discussion, I would appreciate if you did it elsewhere.
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Re: Israel Lobby at its best - India Bans Arab TV Channels Under Pressure From Israel [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
#5945033 - 08/08/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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She loves me and I love her and there is nothing beyond that I need to say to make pretty much everybody on earth jealous.
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