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AliceDee
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hermephrodite?
#5937776 - 08/06/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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went to go check on my kids today and it looks like this one has balls AND a vagina?
what should i do? can you make hash from male plants? or should i just kill it and throw it away? list any ideas you guys have...
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rod
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: AliceDee]
#5937797 - 08/06/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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some have mild hermaphrodite properties, some are totally hermaphrodite, if you have other females, I would kill that bitch, and keep a eye out for more, and males. That was a real good pic.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: rod]
#5938101 - 08/06/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm i dont see a female preflower in there, just looks like a male. Kill the hermie, the only thing you could do with it is grow it for seeds provided it's a natural herm. and not one that's been stressed.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: AliceDee]
#5939859 - 08/07/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are no female signs. That is a straight up male.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: Magash]
#5939909 - 08/07/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I spotted male flowers on one of my plants yesterday. It is a clone but the 'parent' plant wasn't hermaphrodite at all. Is it usual, or at least not uncommon, for clones to go hermaphrodite? I hadn't thought that it was, though it is additional stress for the plant. The only other possible cause I can think of is some light problems when a timer broke. None of my other plants are similarly affected though (very careful check) so I'm not sure whether to attribute it to this or just to random chance.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: BlueDruid]
#5940873 - 08/07/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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some plants don't clone well and the stress of being cloned can lead to a hermie.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: coda]
#5940900 - 08/07/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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OOHH
well you are actually in luck with that plant. this is how they create femiminised seeds. they stress a cloned female to produce pollen.
Since the clone (hermie) is lacking male genetic material, and seeds created on another plant, from the pollen of this hermie, can only be female, or hermie's.
if i were you and had a decent amount of plants, i would let that one hermie pollinate atleast one lady for future seed generations.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5941152 - 08/07/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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^^^I would not recomend that.
They make (good) feminized seeds with STS solution. Some breeders try to create feminized seed with hermies that only show a small % of male traits. But IMHO those 'natural' feminized seeds are about 50% hermies themselves. If the plant created the male pollen sack without human intervention, then IMHO it will pass these traits to at least some of its offspring.
Check out STS if you want feminized seeds
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5941252 - 08/07/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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zippoz said: OOHH
well you are actually in luck with that plant. this is how they create femiminised seeds. they stress a cloned female to produce pollen.
Since the clone (hermie) is lacking male genetic material, and seeds created on another plant, from the pollen of this hermie, can only be female, or hermie's.
if i were you and had a decent amount of plants, i would let that one hermie pollinate atleast one lady for future seed generations.
Actually, first of all it's a male plant not a hermie. Secondly you never stress plants to become hermie to produce seeds that are feminized. Feminized seeds come from plants that are naturally hermaphroditic, not from those that have been stressed to produce the herm. flowers.
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AliceDee
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: Mead]
#5942262 - 08/07/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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so males DO have THC that can be extracted with alcohol?
also ive decided to leave it there so i can have a lot of seeds for next year... the male has good genetics its one of the tallest plants ive got and i havnt had any problems with nutrition deficiencies....
also im gonna make some hash with all the left over bud...
i only have 10 plants this year and they are all bagseed... i know the strain is good for where i live (cuz they are budding very early for starting so late) but they arent very big (only about 2.5 feet) and that is outdoors... i started them in june (way late)...
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: AliceDee]
#5942895 - 08/08/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hope you pick out a good female as well to breed with. Id seperate those plants as far as you can from your other flowering closet.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5943270 - 08/08/06 05:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zippoz WroteQuote:
OOHH
well you are actually in luck with that plant. this is how they create femiminised seeds. they stress a cloned female to produce pollen.
Since the clone (hermie) is lacking male genetic material, and seeds created on another plant, from the pollen of this hermie, can only be female, or hermie's.
if i were you and had a decent amount of plants, i would let that one hermie pollinate atleast one lady for future seed generations.
I never thought of that, I'm not too bothered about getting feminised seeds as I'm using clones now & I'm aiming for a sinsemilla crop rather than bothering making more seeds.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: coda]
#5943283 - 08/08/06 05:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Coda wroteQuote:
Actually, first of all it's a male plant not a hermie. Secondly you never stress plants to become hermie to produce seeds that are feminized. Feminized seeds come from plants that are naturally hermaphroditic, not from those that have been stressed to produce the herm. flowers.
I think Zippoz was referring to my plant rather than Alice Dee's. Mine is hermaphrodite, albeit presumably due to stress.
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: AliceDee]
#5943498 - 08/08/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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AliceDee said: so males DO have THC that can be extracted with alcohol?
also ive decided to leave it there so i can have a lot of seeds for next year... the male has good genetics its one of the tallest plants ive got and i havnt had any problems with nutrition deficiencies....
also im gonna make some hash with all the left over bud...
i only have 10 plants this year and they are all bagseed... i know the strain is good for where i live (cuz they are budding very early for starting so late) but they arent very big (only about 2.5 feet) and that is outdoors... i started them in june (way late)...
yes males can be used for hash or extractions...
but if i were you i'd remove it as soon as you see some of the flowers opening! you want seeds but belive me you don't want it to make as much seeds as it can! also keep in mind you're gonna have to leave it a few days extra so that the seeds can mature...
(if you can still get bagseeds then i would actualy remove the male as soon as i can to get sensimilla buds, you can always get more bagseeds )
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Re: hermephrodite? [Re: Simisu]
#5943793 - 08/08/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Again, i recommend against using 'naturally occurring' hermaphrodites. You should use a plant that was somewhat stressed and NEVER hermied. Then you treat the plant normally and after a few weeks use the STS solution. It then is producing 'feminized pollen'. Not 'hermaphroditic pollen'
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Feminized seed collection
In a nut shell I have forced plants with no male chromosome to produce pollen... hence the all female seeds.
Here's how it works: the sex chromosomes do not actually code for male and female organs. Rather, they send hormonal signals to the genes that control sex organ differentiation and slightly change the way that they develop. The observed effect, or phenotype, is obvious but the chemistry is quite subtle.
In the case of female flowers is is the plant hormone ethylene that tells flowers to grow in the female fashion. If your plant responds to stress by producing less ethylene, it will hermie easily. Vigorous plants have enough excess ethylene production that they can shrug off a bit of water, heat, or light stress and still produce enough hormone to maintain the female habit.
However, no plant can resist an application of silver thiosulfate as the silver ion strongly binds the ethylene and makes it impossible for the ethylene to transmit its feminine message from the sex chromosomes to the flowers. GA works the same way but as it is an endogenous hormone it has many other effects, some of which are undesirable. I strongly suspect that eXe relies on the same essential mechanism, locking up ethylene, but I imagine that it is carefully blended to avoid side effects.
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Using STS For Sex Reversal
There has been one key change that I want to pass along to everyone
I have discovered that using a stronger concentration of STS does not make a plant more likely to produce pollen. It just burns/stresses the plant. What DOES make a plant much more likely to complete it's mission and make pollen is a second spraying at the end of week 2.
My conclusion is that STS in any concentration is only effective at inhibiting ethylene for about 3 weeks; at that point the plant's natural female metabolism begins to take back control, and even a plant that is covered with male blooms can't finish the journey to manhood and produce pollen. A second spraying allows inhibition to last through week 6, which is more than enough time to release pollen.
Some of you have decided to use stronger concentrations of STS. This is fine as long as it doesn't burn your plants. Obviously there is a wide range of usable formulas that will work. But the second spraying is the key to follow-through. You can store the working solution you used for round one (in the spray bottle) in your refrigerator for two weeks; no need to mix a new batch from stock.
I don't see the point of going any stronger than the formula I originally came up with. It has proven itself many times over. The only change I might make is to adjust it slightly to Gobgoober's "molar-correct" mix ratio. This is not at all necessary, but does allow the most effective use of the chemicals together.
Here's a re-post of the formula mix instructions, with the adjusted recipe below that:
Preparation of STS: First, a stock solution is made. It consists of two parts (A and B) that are initially mixed separately, then blended together. Part A is ALWAYS mixed into part B while stirring rapidly. Use distilled water; tap water may cause precipitates to form. Wear gloves while mixing and using these chemicals, and mix and use in a properly ventilated area. A mask will prevent the breathing of any dust, which is caustic. STS is colorless and odorless, and poses minimal health risks if used as described here. (See material safety data sheet links below). Note that silver nitrate and STS can cause brown stains upon drying, so spray over newspaper and avoid spilling.
Part A: .5 gram silver nitrate stirred into 500ml distilled water Part B: 2.5 grams sodium thiosulfate (anhydrous) stirred into 500ml distilled water
The silver nitrate dissolves within 15 seconds. The sodium thiosulfate takes 30-45 seconds to dissolve.
The silver nitrate solution (A) is then mixed into the sodium thiosulfate solution (B) while stirring rapidly. The resulting blend is stock silver thiosulfate solution (STS).
This stock solution is then diluted at a ratio of 1:9 to make a working solution. For example, 100ml of stock STS is added to 900ml of distilled water. This is then sprayed on select female plants.
Both the stock STS and the working solution should be refrigerated after use, as well as the powdered chemicals, to avoid activity loss.
The adjusted formula is as follows:
Part A: .7 gram silver nitrate stirred into 40ml distilled water Part B: 2.6 grams sodium thiosulfate (anhydrous) stirred into 160 ml distilled water
Next, slowly add the silver nitrate solution to the sodium thiosulfate solution while stirring. This combination is then added to 800 ml of distilled water to equal 1 liter. This is your final stock solution. It is diluted 1:9 with more distilled water to make your final working solution, which then gets sprayed on your target plant. Either formula will work great, so don't sweat it too much. But do that second spraying at the end of week 2... seems to be the key for getting pollen from the more difficult strains.
I'm pretty sure I've seen most of this quoted in one of my threads. It came from here http://www.hg420.com/showthread.php?t=346&page=1&pp=10
Edit: Sorry i replyed to you Siminu
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Edited by ShroomDr (08/08/06 11:30 AM)
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