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InvisibleVvellum
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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Catalysis]
    #5940388 - 08/07/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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This is important because people like bi0 use the staged photos and exaggerated death counts to drum up support for hezbollah while jews are being killed every day without the corpse parade.




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when did I ever use the photoshopped image? Are the images I posted fake? When did I ever exaggerate death counts? And when did I ever "support" Hezbollah? All I have done is criticize Israel and remark that the extremists of both sides (Islamists and the Zionists) both have blood on their hands and neither can take the high, moral road. I do blame Israel quite a bit - how can I not? But to suggest that such a critique equates to supporting Islamist extremism is simple-minded. Surely, you are not simple-minded, right?


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Vvellum]
    #5940439 - 08/07/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bi0 said:
When did I ever use the photoshopped image? Are the images I posted fake? When did I ever exaggerate death counts? And when did I ever "support" Hezbollah? All I have done is criticize Israel and remark that the extremists of both sides (Islamists and the Zionists) both have blood on their hands and neither can take the high, moral road. I do blame Israel quite a bit - how can I not? But to suggest that such a critique equates to supporting Islamist extremism is simple-minded. Surely, you are not simple-minded, right?




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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Vvellum]
    #5940805 - 08/07/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

> when did I ever use the photoshopped image?

I don't think he was implying malicious intent on your part. Rather, people photoshop pictures, and somebody else (such as yourself) repost those pictures, unknowingly spreading misinformation. At least, that is how I read it...

> You Anti-Semite!

Please stop trolling. I am tired of reading one line racist/hate comments that have nothing to do with the debate. If this continues, you will find yourself banned. This would be unfortunate, as I value diverse viewpoints.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Vvellum]
    #5940892 - 08/07/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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bi0 said:
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Seuss said:
> wow, photoshoped plumes of smoke. big deal.

Imagine the opposite... Israel releases faked photos that show the carnage of the rocket attacks upon the children in Israel... and in the next photo you see the children playing, unhurt, a few hours alter. I doubt you would be singing "big deal" in that case.




in that case, you are correct. but if some Israel news agency photoshopped big plumes of smoke that were a result of a Hezbollah missile attack (which do happen just like Israeli bombarding Lebanese towns), I wouldnt care - no big deal. shady and unethical, but there are bigger fish to fry in this situation.

A photoshopped image is no worse than all of the biased news that promote both sides of this situation. I would say that the constant flow of inaccuracy and bogus news reporting is far worse than one bogus, obviously faked-, and incredibly obscure image.






I dont agree.
A picture or a video, is supposed to be a recording of what took place. It is something that is captured from an outside source and recorded.



An opinion or commentary from a news source, in most cases is biased. Anyone intelligent can be able to decipher these ramblings.
As for a picture, it is much harder for the outside individual to determine if its fake or doctored, compared to the opinions, of lets say, Rush Limbaugh.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Catalysis]
    #5940924 - 08/07/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Faked Casualties?

Like These?

Or maybe like the faked Jenin massaccre.

At least this one got a correction, albeit small and late:

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BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Monday that one person was killed in an Israeli airstrike on the southern village of Houla, not 40 as he had earlier reported.

Siniora had earlier told Arab foreign ministers in Beirut that the attack "was a horrific massacre ... in which more than 40 martyrs were victims of deliberate bombing."





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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: wingnutx]
    #5941056 - 08/07/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The sad truth is that when the terrorists hide among the civilian population, it is difficult to know if a casualty is a terrorist or a civilian.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: wingnutx]
    #5941087 - 08/07/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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InvisibleVvellum
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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5941218 - 08/07/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
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bi0 said:
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Seuss said:
> wow, photoshoped plumes of smoke. big deal.

Imagine the opposite... Israel releases faked photos that show the carnage of the rocket attacks upon the children in Israel... and in the next photo you see the children playing, unhurt, a few hours alter. I doubt you would be singing "big deal" in that case.




in that case, you are correct. but if some Israel news agency photoshopped big plumes of smoke that were a result of a Hezbollah missile attack (which do happen just like Israeli bombarding Lebanese towns), I wouldnt care - no big deal. shady and unethical, but there are bigger fish to fry in this situation.

A photoshopped image is no worse than all of the biased news that promote both sides of this situation. I would say that the constant flow of inaccuracy and bogus news reporting is far worse than one bogus, obviously faked-, and incredibly obscure image.






I dont agree.
A picture or a video, is supposed to be a recording of what took place. It is something that is captured from an outside source and recorded.



An opinion or commentary from a news source, in most cases is biased. Anyone intelligent can be able to decipher these ramblings.
As for a picture, it is much harder for the outside individual to determine if its fake or doctored, compared to the opinions, of lets say, Rush Limbaugh.




I didnt say anthing about "opinion" pieces - everybody knows the nature of those. I was speaking of obviously biased and misleading news stories on both sides of this conflict.

Also, look at the two images - the fake versus the real image. They are not that different.



yes, this is unethical. But this is just the story of some lazy asshole named Adnan Hajj who wanted a more powerful image to sell to Reuters. This is not the story of Reuters intentionally misguiding the public in favor of Hezbollah or some other nonsense.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Vvellum]
    #5941371 - 08/07/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Man, that guy sucked ass at photoshop. A blind man could do better.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: d33p]
    #5941379 - 08/07/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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d33p said:
Man, that guy sucked ass at photoshop. A blind man could do better.



Agreed. He should be fired for his poor artistic skills alone.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Seuss]
    #5941465 - 08/07/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Seuss said:
The sad truth is that when the terrorists hide among the civilian population, it is difficult to know if a casualty is a terrorist or a civilian.




That may be so, but Israel has been hitting the country well outside Hezbollah strongholds. It's difficult to believe that every one of these Israeli air strikes included the archetype of a terrorist hiding behind a civilian. Some Israeli pilots have even refused orders to launch air strikes.



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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Basilides]
    #5941534 - 08/07/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

> That may be so, but

Oh, I'm not trying to defend anybody. Rather, I am saying that it is impossible to know the real toll upon the civilian population. Because of this, it would be premature, if not erroneous, to judge an official that could not give an accurate casualty count.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Basilides]
    #5941574 - 08/07/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nice map, Bas. Where's it from?


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Vvellum]
    #5941829 - 08/07/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Are the images I posted fake?




In light of recent revelations, it is entirely possible.

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When did I ever exaggerate death counts?




To the best of my knowledge you didn't. However, the death toll from yesterday's "massacre" was revised from 40 to 1. Does that even raise your curiosity? You seem to think that this stuff is not important and has no consequence. This is all too familiar to the Jews.

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And when did I ever "support" Hezbollah?




When you post pictures of destruction from only Lebanon. You probably don't support hezbollah but lets be honest here, you know damn well the effect of those pictures and the PR game going on. I know you are not that naive.


Here is the other picture (of at least 2) that he doctored. This is a jet dropping one flare which was photoshopped to 3 flares with the caption calling them "Israeli missiles". This is in addition to all the stuff zappa pointed out. I find it odd that you think this just doesn't matter, especially when you are posting pictures that these journalists are taking.



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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Catalysis]
    #5941915 - 08/07/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

bio stated : A photoshopped image is no worse than all of the biased news that promote both sides of this situation



I came to my conclusion based on your above statement.


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5946073 - 08/08/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wikipedia


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Basilides]
    #5946887 - 08/09/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Wikipedia


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Catalysis]
    #5947457 - 08/09/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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In light of recent revelations, it is entirely possible.




Well, everything is possible. But do you have any evidence of your assertion that these images of burned and blown-up children and women are fake?

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To the best of my knowledge you didn't. However, the death toll from yesterday's "massacre" was revised from 40 to 1. Does that even raise your curiosity? You seem to think that this stuff is not important and has no consequence. This is all too familiar to the Jews.




I think there is alot of confusion and disinformation on all sides. I am glad that the information was revised as quick as it was.

Again, look at the original photograph vs. the doctored photograph. Are they really that different? I simply believe that such a minor instance means little to the Arab who sees destruction all around them, who is the target of a brutal collective punishment. If so, then you really "misunderestimate" the power of seeing your house destroyed and family members rotting in the street for no good reason. You guys seem to think this photograph is the source of all hatred of Zionist Israel. I simply think Israel's actions are the source of the hatred.

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When you post pictures of destruction from only Lebanon. You probably don't support hezbollah but lets be honest here, you know damn well the effect of those pictures and the PR game going on. I know you are not that naive.




Actually, I believe those pictures tell a story of a Nazi-esque culture that is the foundation of Israel and their disregard for those whom are not the "Chosen People" like themselves. I also think they tell a story about extremist views (Islamist fundamentalism) that are regularly validated and allowed to swell.

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Here is the other picture (of at least 2) that he doctored. This is a jet dropping one flare which was photoshopped to 3 flares with the caption calling them "Israeli missiles". This is in addition to all the stuff zappa pointed out. I find it odd that you think this just doesn't matter, especially when you are posting pictures that these journalists are taking.




When did I ever post the images that Adnan Hajj doctored?


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5947459 - 08/09/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Basilides said:
Wikipedia


:rofl2:




Care to demonstrate that the data on that image is inaccurate?


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Re: Qana Photographer Caught Doctoring Photos From Lebanon [Re: Catalysis]
    #5950418 - 08/10/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Speaking of Qana, check out this video by German reporters of the ubiquitous "Green Helmet Guy" doing his movie director schtick.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014959.php




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