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ghostofbmarley
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Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture
#5936360 - 08/06/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know that DNR is not casing per se, but it shares some similar qualities, right?
Based on that assumption, is it realistic to think that like a casing layer, the Mycelium will colonize the verm left over from the DNR and *then* switch from colonizing to fruiting?
And is the difference between letting a casing 'recover' outside of the FC verses a DNR cake 'recovering' in the FC based on avoiding contamination of the less shielded cakes?
Thanks for your input, -ghost
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Edited by ghostofbmarley (08/07/06 05:51 AM)
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5936411 - 08/06/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
ghostofbmarley said: I know that DNR is not casing per se, but it shares some similar qualities, right?
Based on that assumption, is it realistic to think that like a casing layer, the Mycelium will colonize the verm left over from the DNR and *then* [hopefully] switch from colonizing to fruiting?
And is the difference between letting a casing 'recover' outside of the FC verses a DNR cake 'recovering' in the FC based on avoiding contamination of the less shielded cakes?
Thanks for your input, -ghost
DNR is basically casing your cakes. As far as in or out of the FC that has to do with the thickness of a casing layer as well as the casings makeup (it's all timing bro!), I prefer DNR with 50/50+ myself. Fully colonized substrate is quite contam resistant BTW.
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: hyphae]
#5936435 - 08/06/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, hyphae...
The rolled verm gets colonized and then [edit: the cake] moves to fruiting, right?
-ghost
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Edited by ghostofbmarley (08/07/06 05:51 AM)
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5936521 - 08/06/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The main purpose of the verm is to hold moisture for the cake. I don't know what you mean when you ask if the verm moves to fruiting. If you mean the verm by itself, no. If you mean the cake rolled in verm, then yes.
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: FooMan]
#5936707 - 08/06/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I apologize for the lack of clarity...
Once cakes are dunked and rolled in verm, would one expect to see the myc cover the freshly rolled verm prior to starting the pin cycle, or will the verm remain completely visible through fruiting?
It is just slightly confusing because I have seen many people's pictures where they dunked and rolled, but the verm on the sides is rarely visible once fruiting starts. That is where my questions are stemming from. Maybe those pictures actually show cakes that received DEC instead of DNR (???)
If nothing else, maybe someone knows a good link that would help me to understand the gist of what happens between DNR and fruiting.
-ghost
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5936737 - 08/06/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think some people just put verm on top of the cakes. At least that what it seems like to me based on some of the pics i've seen. Not totally positive about that. But, I just roll the whole cake in verm -sides, top, everything. That's once I've stored the cakes in the fridge overnight. Then they usually begin fruiting after about a week or so.
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5936753 - 08/06/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fruiting is started by the removal of your cake from its jar. You then add light and fresh air which also in turn initiate fruiting. Your dunk and roll as said before is simply to help the cake retain moisture through the fruiting stage. You should then again dunk and roll your cake after each successive flush. Meaning after you pick each flush you want to dunk and roll your cake again.
The pictures you are talking about, what your seeing is the mycellium spread to the verm. mycellium will still grow in the fruiting stage, not near the rate or distance it during incubation. But it does continue to grow. Its growing to follow moisture and nutes. In the cakes case it happens to be on the outside where you added moist verm.
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#5936784 - 08/06/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK... I finally understand!
"what your seeing is the mycellium spread to the verm. mycellium will still grow in the fruiting stage, not near the rate or distance it during incubation"
Thanks everyone (kudos to 2FiNiTe for explaining the above). -ghost
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5939925 - 08/07/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a visual I found for anyone else wondering about this... Supports the info in this thread.
 Hope it helps! -ghost
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Re: Dunk and Roll - The Big Picture [Re: ghostofbmarley]
#5940049 - 08/07/06 07:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sometimes the mycelium will colonize the vermiculite, but it will pin without the rolling (which just creates a nice, humid micro-climate). The double-end casing is better as it allows you to deliver water in an efficient way. I grow cubies totally invitro now, as it puts out results with almost zero effort, in regards to cakes. But don't worry if the rolled vermiculite does not get colonized--as long as you have pins growing, you're good.
Edited by MLBjammer (08/07/06 08:01 AM)
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