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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5937088 - 08/06/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: Luckily, I have one friend who has an interview with Toyota. Unfortunately, he is unwilling to even try to get an interview with any other car company because he "doesn't like the way they run their business."
I wonder if he ever considered infiltrating the other automobile companies and changing them from within. 
Having ideals conflicts with finding entry-level position jobs, its as simple as that. I am personally concerned with the state of the world, the consumer pulse, and all of that, and yet I work with the company that caters to that pulse more than any other, quite possibly. What can I do? Not be such a consumer myself, ultimately. My production assists the consumption of others, but that doesn't make me responsible for the state of the world. 
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
#5937100 - 08/06/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great point...even an evil empire can be made a little less evil...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5937106 - 08/06/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A business simply supplies a demand, and yet people will lash out agansit a business even as they create more demand for the service it provides... 
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5937124 - 08/06/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It may sound wierd: I have all the qualifications that big companies want, University degree, foreign languages, experience, good with computers, travelled abroad, volunteered...... I get called by companies all the time for graduate jobs but I really don't want the responsibility that comes with it, for the time I'm happy with entry level jobs.I'm a receptionist at a small hotel and I spend most of my time online....
On the topic: I can't understand why you make such a big fuss about the whole thing.
The benefit system exists for times when people fall into hardships, as a member of the society I'm glad that some of my money gets used to help people that are not as lucky as me. The problem arises when people willingly take advantage of it or don't try to get out of their situation. There are people that are truely in need.
It is surprising how selfish and isolated we have become. In a rural community in any third world country such a problem wouldn't exist because a member's problem is also the community's problem, so it would have stepped in to help the individual/family. No wonder depression is something that is icompehensible there.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
#5937140 - 08/06/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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true
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: TODAY]
#5937171 - 08/06/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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*rubs shit from eyes, goes "hmmmmmm" because there are 17 replies to my thread...
LunarEclipse...I'm sorry you have to deal with that woman...not just the paying part, but listening to her demands part. :vomit:
"Thinking" doesn't cut it. Everyone thinks, but how many act on their thoughts? Acting is the most powerful tool for change.
I think, I desire change, I move toward action (read below). My friends think, they have no desire to change their situation, they do not move toward action.
i can see both sides to the dilemma you present. one side relies heavily on emotions. They say I have no emotions...I believe them to a degree...I certainly have less emotions than them.
I AM EGO BASED. Is that not something to be proud of??
I like my friends, we have fun together. We have been friends for a few years and arguments between us roll into the river in the end. I do not know if they harbor deep resentment for me as they do not show it in our daily interactions. I harbor no resentment toward them, seriously. I am very well aware that my opinions are in the minority, but that should never be a reason to yield it to others. I'd love to meet some people more like me, but that doesn't mean I don't like the people in my life who disagree with me.
One thing that was touched on was that I am the person who I am speaking down on at the moment. It is true that I am doing research related to my future goal attainment and putting my business together piece by piece , but I have yet to file the necessary papers and actually do the field correspondence and make those $$. A big part of their argument is that I am one of the lucky ones who is sucking on my parent's teets as they are paying tuition and rent.
You know though, I'm not slacking off in college or anything, I have 6 classes left to take to satisfy BA requirments in my area of study...biz management. I'm starting my 4th year. I will finish in 4, which apparently is some sort of achievment these days. The friends I argue with have the same monetary help from their parents as I do but they have slacked off at community college, not working, just slacking, not taking the amount of classes needed to graduate in 4...in 5 years, just slacking. They have around 60 units, I have 101...all in the same time, all with the same help.
I just finished 2 summer school classes (rode my bike 5 miles up hill Mon-Thurs at 8am for 8 weeks) so I can take 3 classes each semester this year instead of 4...so I can have the time to work harder than ever so when college is over, I will be in gear for the next move. I've tailored my schedule to give me time to research, to give me time to master my plans, and to give me time to plan my actions...sure I haven't yet 'acted' in the way some people consider action, but that doesn't mean I'm stuck in a world of inaction. I am seeing my college goals through, I am acting on those plans, that is my current situation. When the $$ chase is the next step, my ambition and my intelligence WILL provide for me...I am not a baseless dreamer.
My mother: "I just got your checking account statement at the house and I notice there is $6 in it."
Me: "I just transfered $500 from my savings into my checking yesterday."
Mother: "You shouldn't be spending your savings...its your savings you know...do want me to put some money in?"
Me: "Thank you, but you really do more than enough as it is by paying my rent and tuition ($9000/year total help). I really do appreciate it mom, but wouldn't feel right about that."
Am I unduly proud by not accepting these extra funds?? Or is this the practical action of my beliefs?? I could get her to buy me anything, but I don't. My parents try to give me cash for food/entertainment when I visit home, but I always decline. I have my own, thank you, you guys really do sooo much for me as it is. I couldn't take more.
I do, however, not feel bad about accepting the $9000/year because they chose to bring me into the world. We could make another thread about it but existence may well be a little more of a personal conflict for me than most people (I'm not saying nobody but me suffers in existence). I feel like it's a chip on my shoulder for which they are responsible, so their charity is acceptable until my own is sufficient. My own WILL be sufficient. I'm proud of them for honoring their part of the deal...but I could never tell them I feel this way...their bubbble shall remain intact. But TODAY...what about the people who's parent's didn't follow through on what you consider a parental obligation? Let them figure it out. OUCH!!??
I 'suffer' from some sort of social disorder. I can't maintain personal relationships as well as I see others do it. Do I sit and cry about it?? Fuck no, it doesn't bother me, what's to be sad about??...right now, an intimate relationship would get in the way of my business goals, and those are the most important to me. I know what I want, I know who I am, I don't ask to live another's life.
I've never been psychoanalyzed or anything, but I know there is something about me society would call 'wrong'...even borderline sociopathic. This is why, in my opinion, I have little empathy for others...especially strangers. What to do about it? Nothing, except exactly what I want. I will not be responsible for the hard wiring of my brain during my adolescence. This is how I have always thought...to change my brain's hard wiring I'd have to get a lobotomy. Am I playing the part of the helpless victim?? No, I'm taking what I have and I'm running with it.
My argument regarding me being selfish by working to meet my goals is, why is that selfish? I'll state it again that if somebody feels a social obligation to somebody else then they are being selfish by not becoming a billionaire business leader for the purpose of giving their money away. If somebody felt as strongly about others' well being as I do about my well being, then they are being selfish by not working toward what I am working toward.
A good job may be hard to find, IDK anything about that...but sending out resumes will not help. To get what you want, you really have to get in somebody's face and sell yourself...which you've heard before no doubt. There are good jobs! There aren't good jobs for passive folks, unless you know somebody. Take action, idk what else to say.
Fucknuckle:
You seem the most intensly affected by my statements. If you read this new post of mine, explaining my personal situation, and you think I'm still a no-good teet sucker you should realize that my business pursuits will be acted on because I want $$ all for me, but in the process I plan to provide jobs for CAPABLE workers for fair pay. I'll happily pay my workers directly $12/hr (almost twice min wage) for unskilled labor if I'm not paying the difference to the gov to provide certain social services. If a person needs the gov to provide retirement services then that person has no confidence in their own ability to save or to invest, then shiiiiiit, they fucked up. There is no place here for talk of righteous living, as that is too subjective a term. Our righteousnesses are in conflict, therefore there is no righteousness. Oh yeah, I don't believe in a Godly standard of righteousness, so lets forget that too.
Anyone who says their family is "cursed" as to self employment has already conceded defeat as to that possibility. 
Thank you for your opinions people. I respect that you were willing enough to argue with me and to share your points...even if we disagree.

I've spent alot of time on this, I may not be willing to spend more as I have things to do today.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: TODAY]
#5937217 - 08/06/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking about Righteous living..I get a little torqued off by people just assuming they know why or why not a person needs helps etc..... As I assumed something about you...I am sorry
Point is this people excel in life by putting other first...........That is the plain truth
And listen here.......life is not in black in white. Only 5 % of the people make it to a comfortable retirement..........so you have a 95% chance to fuck up
The world is a vampire don't forget it. You have many many many struggles way beyond you wildest possible dreams coming before you.
Get ready my friend
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Fucknuckle]
#5937256 - 08/06/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said: So you do non-profit work for others so you can further your own situation ???
Well I hope you are not of the mind set of many in this thread
P.S......I was seriously involved with non-profits for many years. Sat on the board of directors twice..So I know this....The people that make 6 figures in this field didn't make 6 figures because that was their drive, to make 6 figures. They did what they loved first.....Then the money followed.
What I am saying is if you really want to have a very successfull career in service.......you must embrace the idea of others first....or you will be stuck at 40 grand a year
If it was really the money I cared about, then I wouldn't be looking into the non-profit sector. I only care about money insofar as it is needed to support myself.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
#5937308 - 08/06/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
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Fucknuckle said: So you do non-profit work for others so you can further your own situation ???
Well I hope you are not of the mind set of many in this thread
P.S......I was seriously involved with non-profits for many years. Sat on the board of directors twice..So I know this....The people that make 6 figures in this field didn't make 6 figures because that was their drive, to make 6 figures. They did what they loved first.....Then the money followed.
What I am saying is if you really want to have a very successfull career in service.......you must embrace the idea of others first....or you will be stuck at 40 grand a year
If it was really the money I cared about, then I wouldn't be looking into the non-profit sector. I only care about money insofar as it is needed to support myself.
Well I wasn;t trying to say you were .More like putting the question out there Good I am glad to hear you have got some good thoughts about your life's path. Goodluck with it. Non-profit is a great job and can be a very good paying job source
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
#5937806 - 08/06/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So basically you're saying kiss asses and sell your soul to satan?
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: dorkus]
#5937899 - 08/06/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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dr_mandelbrot said: So basically you're saying kiss asses and sell your soul to satan?
No, I'm saying sit in your room and wait until the golden princess fairy flies through your window and grants you the perfect job opportunity. 
Its as simple as this: if you want a job, then you get one.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
#5937913 - 08/06/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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She just flew by.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: dorkus]
#5937916 - 08/06/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you rape her and steal her gold? 
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
#5937918 - 08/06/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, sorry... I think I'm spoken for. 
I admit I have been unemployed for a year now. Heheheh. Damn, where did that fairy go?
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: TODAY]
#14393377 - 05/03/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TODAY said:
Everybody in the USA has access to free information (public libraries), therefore they have the opportunity to change their economic status by studying and then making related economic plans/business decisions.
But not everyone has access to education or parents that have raised them to develop the critical faculties that would be required for that^
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: helix]
#14393462 - 05/03/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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aronf13 said:
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TODAY said:
Everybody in the USA has access to free information (public libraries), therefore they have the opportunity to change their economic status by studying and then making related economic plans/business decisions.
But not everyone has access to education or parents that have raised them to develop the critical faculties that would be required for that^
Exactly...OP, self-actualization is great; but to act as though there is not a historical context in which we are living today is foolish. Just to give one example; Black Americans were socially dead for the first ~200 years of their American experience. They literally were not allowed to exist as people in any capacity. This history is still playing out today, largely because things were never really changed, Jim Crow supplanted slavery, which in turn was supplanted by Political Correctness and the deodorization of Race and the Civil Rights movement. Which ultimately led to, (as Brother Cornell West put it) the Niggerization of Black people, where Blacks are forced to defend their humanity as a de facto position, before anything else can even be addressed. However, this is so rooted in the system in which we find outselves that it is not immediatly visible; or rather it is visible, but not understood for what it is. So you have people railing about welfare and ultimately using government aid-recipients as synonymous with Blacks, when the statistics don't support it.
The blanket statements made about what everyone "has" or "doesn't have", be it access to education, resources, or whatever expose a rather naive and ill-informed worldview, imo. Nothing exists within in a vacuum...perhaps this is not the case with your friends...but then I would suggest you talk about your friends and not make inaccurate, sweeping generalizations.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: TODAY]
#14393956 - 05/03/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TODAY said: I AM EGO BASED. Is that not something to be proud of??
That depends on how much ego based you are and how you put it, I don't know you so I wouldn't know.
For what you said you just look like the typical political individualist, I don't see the problem with that or why your friends shouldn't get along well.
It's hard not to identify with the individualistic point of view because you see so many injustices and many times lazy bumps profiting from your contributions, but in the real world and in the way things are that just isn't the solution.
Imagine you have the tough luck of having a car accident and get quadriplegic?? Will you starve to death because you can't produce?? Imagine those houses where probably only one of the parents work and the mother just keep having kids? Shouldn't these kids be allowed o have education, health, whatever? Somethings would work if the world just wasn't the way it is already and if you want to live in a community you do have to think that you're not alone.
And don't get me wrong, I have some individualistic point of views to, not all, but I have already realized it can't work.
Have you considered the problem might also be with your friends? I have friends with capitalist ideas, pro bullfights, anti abortion, and I'm none of those, we have had our discussions on that matter and realized we had opposite views, so what? We know that if we talk about it will be one of those endless debates like religion/atheism, so we do the things that we have in common.
The only people I can't look the same way after having a discussion are people who praise nazism, racism, xenophobia, etc.
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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Snozz]
#14394082 - 05/03/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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TODAY said:
Everybody in the USA has access to free information (public libraries), therefore they have the opportunity to change their economic status by studying and then making related economic plans/business decisions.
But not everyone has access to education or parents that have raised them to develop the critical faculties that would be required for that^
Exactly...OP, self-actualization is great; but to act as though there is not a historical context in which we are living today is foolish. Just to give one example; Black Americans were socially dead for the first ~200 years of their American experience. They literally were not allowed to exist as people in any capacity. This history is still playing out today, largely because things were never really changed, Jim Crow supplanted slavery, which in turn was supplanted by Political Correctness and the deodorization of Race and the Civil Rights movement. Which ultimately led to, (as Brother Cornell West put it) the Niggerization of Black people, where Blacks are forced to defend their humanity as a de facto position, before anything else can even be addressed. However, this is so rooted in the system in which we find outselves that it is not immediatly visible; or rather it is visible, but not understood for what it is. So you have people railing about welfare and ultimately using government aid-recipients as synonymous with Blacks, when the statistics don't support it.
The blanket statements made about what everyone "has" or "doesn't have", be it access to education, resources, or whatever expose a rather naive and ill-informed worldview, imo. Nothing exists within in a vacuum...perhaps this is not the case with your friends...but then I would suggest you talk about your friends and not make inaccurate, sweeping generalizations.
   yes EXACTLY, this is everything i was thinking when i wrote that statement^:)
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