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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5936819 - 08/06/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If you want I can hook you up with this woman and she will be glad to cry on your shoulder and tell you all about how life has dealt her a cruel hand.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5936825 - 08/06/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Your whole post was so defeatist in tone that I feel you have already conceded defeat.

Anyone who mails off a letter and resume with no phone call before or after has already conceded defeat.

Anyone who says their family is "cursed" as to self employment has already conceded defeat as to that possibility.

Anyone who cries about how tough it is finding a job but who really hasn't applied the practice and skills necessary to get a good job has already conceded defeat. In other words, finding a job IS a full time job until you find it. Interview, interview, interview.

If you go to the interview with that defeatist attitude, you will be defeated. Then you can go home and mail out some more letters and resumes.

If you go to the interview truly confident and eager and show interest, you may win that job. It's a contest and there is only one winner.

Ask yourself who would the employer rather hire, an upbeat positive eager confident person, or someone who isn't?



You misunderstand my entire post. I am not a defeatist. I was simply trying to explain that to the original poster that the job market is not as easy to navigate as he thinks it is. I have every bit of confidence that I will eventually be able to get the job that's right for me. I'm sorry that seem to think that explaining a difficult situation is equivalent to crying.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: mr_kite]
    #5936831 - 08/06/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Words have power"

They do indeed...acts have more.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: mr_kite]
    #5936832 - 08/06/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Didn't you know buy living THAT way you have this added bonus.............I am not responsible for anything outside myself AND I am also not taking any responsibility for any harm cause thru my actions....I am free to do as I please. And I have free rein to cast judgement at the world around me.Fuck e'm you know.........Er wait, that is untill I really need some help from soemone less than me.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5936839 - 08/06/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I am saying that you are the master of your destiny.




True to an extent, but over-simplistic. Some people really do have terrible luck. Wrong place wrong time, right place right time, right place wrong time etc, you can be the most optimistic, upbeat individual but if you don't get the breaks (eg right time wrong place) then you're not the master of your destiny. So you can say "find the right place for you", doesn't always happen. Through no fault of the person.

I've been extremely lucky in life. Many times I remember occasions when I could easily have been extremely unlucky. I'd like to think I've influenced my destiny but I'm in no way its master.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5936883 - 08/06/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

.............I am not responsible for anything outside myself AND I am also not taking any responsibility for any harm cause thru my actions....I am free to do as I please.

How can you equate someone not wanting to provide charity to those who abuse charity and the welfare system that supports it with someone not taking any responsibility for any harm caused through their actions?

Just because I don't want to give the bum on the corner who is "homeless - God Bless" according to the sign $ 10 that will likely go towards booze that he drinks in his house doesn't mean I am not taking responsibility for harm caused through my actions.

In fact, I willfully choose not to give the $ 10 to the bum, and choose not to continue to let the welfare bitch slide on her rent that is legally owed me and I view that as being the proper course of action. Fuck em. Exactly. I worked hard for that house, all she has done is gouge the floors and put up pictures and smoked her Camel Lights. I haven't raised the rent in two years yet taxes, insurance, water, sewer, and garbage go up. Shall I continue to be her whipping boy and put up with no rent or late rent because of her sad story?

Boo hoo don't pay the bills. Fuck 'em.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: mr_kite]
    #5936890 - 08/06/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It is true in every respect...not just to an extent. Don't worry about luck as true luck is random. Action and choice is NOT random. Our destiny is primarily determined by action and choice...not luck. I have been very unlucky. I have lived in poverty, been a severe alcoholic for 15 years, and felt at the mercy of others all of my life until my 30s. Now I control my future...all of my past hardship was based in choice and action...learning to control choice and action is the key.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5936907 - 08/06/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

well the thing is that you don't know the bum will spend it on booze. Yes, it's likely. But from your perspective the charity is a great boon, and it's HIS responsibility to do something good with it. At least in terms of karma, you'd be doing a good thing completely regardless of his actions.

I agree with many things you say and I have no patience for people not willing to work, especially those who just bitch when you don't give them absolutely everything ( when you give them anything ). However, what you're writing is also very judgemental.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5936912 - 08/06/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That said, I think you overstate how easy it is to find a decent job.  I'm in a similarly privileged position as you.  I'm a college graduate living with my parents, who paid my entire way through college so that I wouldn't have student loans to worry about.  And yet, I still can't find a decent job.  Believe me, I'm trying.  I had planned on living in my own place by now, but that plan's gone to shit.  I keep having to push back the date for when I'm going to move out, cuz shit just isn't working.  And starting my own business?  Please!  We have a family curse when it comes to that.  The last successful entrepreneur in my family owned slaves.  So in the meantime, I'm sending out letters and resumes to whatever places that I might be qualified for, but it's not easy.




Not to sidetrack the topic, but I guess this does directly apply to the topic, if you are pursuing job oppurtunities, you have to be aggressive with it. You need to take the time to visit the specific place that you are applying for, and you need to address the person responsible for the position, or whoever they make you talk to. If you have a resume, it needs to be specifically centered around your interest in the specific position you are applying for. You need to be confident and give a great impression. Then you need to follow up, which means, call them the next day. Call them two days after that. Even if they close the job opportunity, you need to be following up with them to find out about new job opportunities.

You need to present yourself as an intelligent, capable individual who will be grateful for an opportunity to work there. Even if you lack job experience, you need to show that you are willing to work, learn, and develop.

Also, you need to be willing to put your foot in whatever door will open for you. You need to eliminate objections to basic, entry level positions that you might not feel you would like to work. Finding a job isn't about finding something you will enjoy doing, no, no no, not at first, at least, it is about finding any opportunity for you to make some money, which gives you an opportunity to make yourself enjoy it.

You need to stick out enough to get an interview, which is what the decision will be based on. In some places, this might simply mean a clean record and open job availability. :grin: Mostly, it is going to require being persistent and dedicated in ensuring that you will get the chance to be interviewed - you need to get your name to stick out by making them remember it, which means checking in and following up. :wink:

You are going to need the attitude that you cannot be concerned about being afraid of being interviewed, or feeling that you won't get the job, or that you will be rejected, you need to realize - I need this job, and I will do everything in my power to get it.

If you do get an interview, don't worry that you will be nervous about it - it is expected that people will be nervous in their interviews, and we are specifically trained to help people who are nervous. Its an uncomfortable situation because so much is at stake, but all we care about is knowing that you are willing to engage yourself, and that you will react to certain situations and pressure that will be applied in the job in an appropriate manner. At my workplace, we propose hypothetical situations and ask for examples of them being faced with similar situations, and specifically how they dealt with it.

If you are successfully coming out of college, then you have a lot of experience that is applicable, even if what you actually studied doesn't apply to the position in the slightest. You've had to deal with time constraints, deadlines, having a lot of projects at once, dealing with others in less than ideal situations, etc. etc. etc.

You are obviously capable, and you have to start somewhere. Retail establishments are always understaffed and will take on anyone who is willing to simply go in every day and do their job. Take that into consideration. Once you get a job, you will have more opportunities from there to get different jobs. Keep moving, plan ahead, and be confident in yourself. If you know that you are capable and that you deserve a good fucking job, then you will get one, as long as you fully apply yourself.

Good luck, my friend, I was once in your exact same position (but without the whole college thing :lol:) and it was my dad that got me moving, in the way that I described, and it works. :thumbup:

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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5936916 - 08/06/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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If you want I can hook you up with this woman and she will be glad to cry on your shoulder and tell you all about how life has dealt her a cruel hand.




:lol:

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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5936921 - 08/06/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the encouraging words. I didn't mean for this to be about me. I only used myself as an example of how even those with better opportunities can still face great difficulty in the job market. As for showing up at the place, I should mention that the places I'm applying to are out-of-state(the rents in CA are ridiculous), so in order to show up for an interview, I have to plan a road trip.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: vampirism]
    #5936930 - 08/06/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Are you aware that many of the "homeless bums" can actually make more money per month standing on the corner begging than they can working a minimum job? I mean think about it, one $ 10 in an hour and a half is better pay. Particularly after taxes. Whether booze or not, these are largely folks that don't look homeless but boy can they play the part. I choose not to pay them money.

Now, having said that, the drunk indian at the recycle place already chugging a 40 I gladly gave my empties to. He at least was bringing back recycles to buy more beer so I figured he was that enterprising plus it was obvious he would buy more beer with mine or who knows maybe a sandwich. An honest drunk recycling is better to my way of thinking than a deceitful drunk with some dumb sign.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5936945 - 08/06/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly, better opportunities does not mean that one is going to effectively seize those opportunties.

What kind of jobs are you applying for? Location could be a factor that they take into consideration. If you don't find much luck in applying for jobs that are out-of-state, I would suggest finding a basic job in your area, simply so that you are generating your own funds and can hook your parents up with some of it. I'm simply saying that, in the short-term, grab any fucking job you can - having a job will not in any way prevent you from getting another job, as it will only help you. Then, at the very least, you'll have some money for a road trip. :wink:

But ja, grab any job you can at first, anything to show the people you are really interested in working with that you are willing to work, and that you have worked before. :grin:

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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5936960 - 08/06/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All good advice FW.  Nice to not mention the name Wal-Mart in your initial pitch.  Kind of like Amway back in the day... :smirk:


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5936966 - 08/06/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Road Trip!

Think Animal House and you will at least have fun at the interviews or at least be drunk.

Toga!


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5936973 - 08/06/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What kind of jobs are you applying for?



Mainly the non-profit sector and state or county government jobs. Right now, I'm volunteering at a non-profit in my area, hoping to build up my resume. I know that non-profit jobs are based largely on reputation, so I'm trying to build that reputation now, even if it means working for free.


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5937004 - 08/06/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So you do non-profit work for others so you can further your own situation ???

Well I hope you are not of the mind set of many in this thread

P.S......I was seriously involved with non-profits for many years. Sat on the board of directors twice..So I know this....The people that make 6 figures in this field didn't make 6 figures because that was their drive, to make 6 figures. They did what they loved first.....Then the money followed.

What I am saying is if you really want to have a very successfull career in service.......you must embrace the idea of others first....or you will be stuck at 40 grand a year


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: Silversoul]
    #5937012 - 08/06/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Mainly the non-profit sector and state or county government jobs.  Right now, I'm volunteering at a non-profit in my area, hoping to build up my resume.  I know that non-profit jobs are based largely on reputation, so I'm trying to build that reputation now, even if it means working for free.




Interesting. :cool:

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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5937032 - 08/06/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, you need to be willing to put your foot in whatever door will open for you. You need to eliminate objections to basic, entry level positions that you might not feel you would like to work. Finding a job isn't about finding something you will enjoy doing, no, no no, not at first, at least, it is about finding any opportunity for you to make some money, which gives you an opportunity to make yourself enjoy it.




Excellent point! I have a few friends who came home after completing college now and they still don't have jobs. They all seemed to expect to be given great, high paying jobs right out of college. I'm tired of hearing, "I didn't graduate from [insert university] to be a [insert profession]."  Buncha bums if ya ask me.

Luckily, I have one friend who has an interview with Toyota. Unfortunately, he is unwilling to even try to get an interview with any other car company because he "doesn't like the way they run their business."  :rolleyes:

The moral of the story: You have to start from the bottom and move up!


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Re: My friends don't understand my views (this is an OPEN thread) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5937051 - 08/06/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes exactly..............Great Pay comes from great work


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