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 DinoMyc
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 Latist Entheogen Review claims: 
#593611 - 03/30/02 11:36 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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The latist Entheogen Review has a large section on psycadelic mushroom cultivation. Unfortunately the authors placed a huge amount of credit on PF and Hippie. PF, I agree, did have a significant impact, however the completely neglect his profiteering and other problems. Hippie, on the other hand, did not do anything innovative from what I know and what they mention. Why they chose him rather than the multitude of admirable cultivators who actually bring something new to the hobby is beyond me.
To the point of this post:
A claim was made in the post that Brown Rice (BR) produced a far more potent flush than another substrate. Rye, manure, etc. were mentioned as other substrated, but BR/BRF was hearalded as the wonder food.
Any thoughts? anyone else read this? Their take on the development was enjoyable to read, however their conclusions were somewhat lacking/misled.
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 Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#594383 - 03/31/02 08:25 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's typical PF propaghanda. Lie to the people long enough, and enough people will believe the lie that it eventually becomes self-perpetuating. Who wrote the article?
BTW, Hippie did popularize the invitro neglect tek, which is great for some people, so he does deserve a good bit of credit. He's also one of the few if not only grower that PF gives credit to personally. Which makes it fitting for an article that sounds like it's kissing PF's ass to also mention hippie.
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#594399 - 03/31/02 08:52 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#594505 - 03/31/02 10:32 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do not have it on hand, so I cant say who wrote it.
It was otherwise a fairly good article.. hippie's "tek" though isn't anything new..and he was given credit for it, not for popularizing it.. big difference in my eyes.. simmilar to what happened with tesla, only in reverse.
It was an interesting article, and it did give rush wayne credit for his analysis and manipulation of the H2O2 techniques he sells.. I just wanted to see more credit to the correct people..
the main point of this post though is the substrate claims!
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THE CLAIM WAS MADE THAT BROWN RICE YIELDS EXTREME POTENCY MUSHROOMS.
More so than rye, which they claimed had advantages such as shaking and pouring...
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Edited by DinoMyc (03/31/02 10:35 AM)
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#594521 - 03/31/02 11:05 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have asked this same question and never got a decent response. I doubt the research has been done to verify or disprove the claim.
My guess is that as long as the various substrates offer adequate nutrients the potency of the the fruit will be similiar.
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DinoMyc
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: Seuss]
#595366 - 04/01/02 09:22 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree, but the claim was based on some work done which yielded a high (1%) level of active chems, and which was supposedly the highest ever recorded.. now, this could, of course, simply be due to a particular substrain and not the substrate...
damnit we need more data!
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#595383 - 04/01/02 09:59 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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The article, Mushroom Cultivation: From Falcanoer to Fanaticus and Beyond by Yachaj. An anonymous name f ro someone who does not exist.
Coincided with my publication, "Psilocybian Mushroom Cultivation: A Brief History Regarding the Contemporary use, Cultivation and Marketing of Psilocybian Mushrooms b me and Jochen Gartz.
have a shroomy day.
mj
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#595399 - 04/01/02 10:32 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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the claim of brown rice producing more potent shrooms is crap spouted by PF and associates. It's not true and anyone who believes it either has an agenda or has been duped by someone who does.
The dude YachaJ is a slut. He claims to be from Holland if I remember correctly. His email address is yachaj@hushmail.com
He is apparently a friend of rush wayne. I put copies of wayne's manuals on a ftp server which was not officially related to mycotopia. Yacha comes in screaming and cussing, accusing me of putting mycotopia in peril, threatening me with lawsuits, threatening mycotopia with law suits, threatening to cooperate with agencies to get our homes raided and a bunch of other horse shit. He then proceeded to tattle to wayne, who btw was a cool person and politely asked for the manuals to be removed from the server. Then yachaj sends some ass kissing apology about peace and love and not being an american so he couldn't stay angry etc and telling me to read his article. I told him to lick my balls. Anybody who acts like that is a traitor to psychedlic minds the world over.
If this dudes trying to make a name for himself, he's off to a bad start.
(I would normally ask whoever had the article to copy it in, but I'm sure we would then just get an irate bitch yapping about more copy right violations on yet another article that isn't worth paying for...)
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#595405 - 04/01/02 10:41 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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and to give you an example of the type character I'm describing, this was in an email sent to me, refering to my posting the manuals on a server he thought was mycotopia's:
In reply to:
Anyway, this email is to tell you that I
have collected some personal data about some of you from lurking, searching and
checking adresses. If Wayne ever needs this info to successfully sue the people
who stole from him I will be more than happy to send him what I have..........If you do not change your attitude it is time to bring Mycotopia down by
discussing all of this in court. This may lead to searches at your home then it
is unfortunate but the price for your own behavior. What a shame!
disrespectfully yourz,
Yachaj
Sounds like a real reputable cat, eh?
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#595412 - 04/01/02 10:46 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brown rice flour... the legend of brown rice goes far back, I don't know whether it was indian or chinese monks, but through their own studies they decided that brown rice has the most chi of any food. So I guess Pf, is'nt to blame, he only trusted the monks, so why don't you go argue the claim with them... only that they died from malnutrition, because they decided to only live on brown rice flour, so maybe a combination of rye plus brown rice flour, plus fructose, plus dmt, can sustain someone. Shrooms are what you make them...
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 Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#595422 - 04/01/02 10:59 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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WoW Myco that guy is a dick faced douchebag. That shit isnt cool to threaten folks with the law.
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: SouthernGent]
#595433 - 04/01/02 11:18 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive seen that claim only one time on pfs site. Its when he is describing himself eating them.
Personally, I agree.
The only other shrooms I have eaten other than Brown rice cubies were ones bought from a dealer. This has been about four times. So they could of been grown wildly or dried haphazardly.
But, the difference between the two (my home grown shrooms grown with brf and dried without heat, and the dealers) have been experianced by me and my friends.
While taking at least 3.0 dried grams of the dealers to get a "good" trip, one of my experianced friends took 1.2 grams (all we had left) and said she was tripping harder then ever before. I had only taken three grams and was definatly tripping way harder than the latter. And all of my other friends had taken a smaller dose than I and said they were tripping very hard.
I sold those very same shrooms for 20 a gram.
I continue to be suprised by the potency of my shrooms grown with brf.
I also continue to recomend a threshold dose of 4 to 5 grams.
This has been a presentation of "in my experiance"
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DinoMyc
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: SouthernGent]
#595444 - 04/01/02 11:36 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Please do not flame.
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#595445 - 04/01/02 11:38 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you saying that much of the material in this article was lifted from you?
and why didn't they publish yours? I have not read yours, but I would like to.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to post a link? or is this a print only book?
-DinoMyc
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mycofile
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#595459 - 04/01/02 11:59 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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mj's books here:
http://mjshroomer.yage.net/CD-ROMAD1.htm
I didn't see any flames above...
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DinoMyc
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#595614 - 04/01/02 02:22 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you. I havn't dug around in mj's site for a long time.. it was too frustrating last time..
>quoting from southerngent "WoW Myco that guy is a dick faced douchebag. "
I consider that a flame.
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mycofile]
#596122 - 04/02/02 01:58 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought BRF's claim to fame was that it is easy to sterilise - no one could possibly believe that it makes more potent shrooms than better substrates like rye??
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#596125 - 04/02/02 02:01 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well Yachaj's article went in another direction than my history book did but it followed the path of my text somewhat mysteriously.
Unfortunately for me, I did send a copy of my manuscript to a person in Holland I met in 1999 who claims to have learned his trade from PF, whom he told me was a God in Amsterdam.
This kids name was Rene Rinkleman and he wrote a small Dutch pamphlet on how to grow cubies.. Mr. Rinkleman also told me in an email that does not like drug dealers and accussed me of being one and said he did not want to know me in his life because he thought that I sold drugs.
He also does not like anyone who grows mushrooms to sell them.
So it is possible that this person may have seen my original manuscript and used it for the basis of his article, an article which Jon Hanna told me was ashort chapter for a forthcoming book book format.
Much of the non cultivation test in the book is almost chronologically the same as the info in my book.
The article does cover some new methods for shroom cultivation, but the rest of the infor follows my research to close for comfort.
Anyway I haven't flamed anyone but this does open a door of interest to me and I have sent a message to Jon Hanna at the Entheogenic Review about this. He claims to know this Yachaj person quite well.
I will let you know about him at a later date as to what I learned.
mj
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#596590 - 04/02/02 01:49 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting stuff MJ. No smoking gun, but enough to make you wonder. This guy has picked my curiosity. How about letting me know what you do find out, sometimes I miss things if they are just posted...
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#596620 - 04/02/02 02:11 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was not accuseing you of a flame! I hope It did not come off like that, I was trying to quell the fire in the post by southerngent.. I don't want to see this forum break down into a shitthrowing contest, especially with the target unable to defend himself.
MJ: if the simmilarities are due to the fact that a history is essentially chronologically set (interpretation and new info changes things..), then perhaps it is less of a smoking gun than it appears. If, and this seems to be likely judging by the article, this author did in fact paraphrase without authorization to do so, then this is a problem and should be delt with.
Please do keep us updated!
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: DinoMyc]
#596980 - 04/02/02 07:36 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mycofile, here is the comments on the posts concerning Dr. Wayne and Yachaj at Mycotopia. in response to a letter1 wrote to Jon Hanna of the Entheogenic Review after reading the above posts here at the Shroomery.
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Jon Hanna's letter to mjshroomer:
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Hello Mj,
From what you sent, it sounds as though someone posted something to the web without permission, and Yachaj was commenting that this is unethical and that he would do whatever was in his power to correct this injustice.
I agree that it is unethical. There seems to be a postmodern rip-off mentality by many who use the web. I have seen a LOT of artists whose works have been used to illustrate web sites without either permission or even
credit. It pisses me off, and whenever I *know* the artist personally, I hip them to the fact that their hard work has been hoovered. (Alex Grey, for example, has called me on the phone to thank me for pointing out such theft.)
Personally, I think that the article written by Yachaj was excellent. It has received rave reviews by many people "in the scene." (Hell, you wanted toreprint it yourself.) However, I pay little attention to e-mail lists, web forums, virtual clique groups, and have no idea what is being said in these sorts of circles. I have seen time and again flame wars, name calling,
insults, threats, etc. This sort of behaviour makes me sad, and I try to stay entirely uninvolved in such things. I am not terribly familiar with the "mushroom" scene in specific, don't know the "personalities" in this scene very well, (and especially not the pseudonymous ones), and I know very
little about growing mushrooms. I have no idea if, for example, brown rice really IS a better substrate. There was a time when I might have thought that if Gartz reported this to be the case, then it was probably true
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And I suppose that I still feel that way, although I wasn't too jazzed to learn that GARTZ ripped off the text of a friend of mine, translated it into German, and essentially passed it off as his own in a chapter of his recent book on Salvia divinorum.
The comments from "mycofile/(Jedi Master)" are typical of the sort of thing I try to avoid. Calling someone a slut and telling said person to lick one's balls smacks of the hotheaded and rude discourse that is unfortunately too common in today's electronic communications; it is hard to think that this person would communicate in such a manner to someone's face.
As noted earlier, I don't agree that copyright violations can be
relegated to "irate bitch yapping," and I also take exception to the idea that the article in question isn't worth paying for. Of course, that is a personal opinion, but at least it is an *informed* one, since I have READ the article, unlike "mycofile/(Jedi Master)", who has decided that it has no value based on NO direct information at all! Yeah, THIS is the guy to
be taking advice from ..
In reading the comments written by Yachaj, it is clear that his primary concern is the fact that people were stealing from his friend. I see nothing at all wrong with him suggestion that he would be happy to send his friend information related to who the thieves were. I am quite surprised that you would describe this attitude as being one of a "shitty character" or
"evil."
On the contrary, the "shitty/evil character" is whomever is responsible for stealing and posting Wayne's material without permission. Yachaj is *hardly* acting as a "snitch" as you [meaning MJ] characterize, but rather as an advocate for
the rights of the artist/creator of a work. It was "mycofile/(Jedi Master)" who characterized Yachaj as "threatening to cooperate with agencies to get our homes raided," but if one reads what Yachaj actually wrote, he wasn't really doing this. What he was doing was saying that IF someone or some people didn't stop the theft, that he would help to get the theives caught, and that this might result in searches of these people's homes (which it might, I suppose). Sounds more like "fair warning" than any sort of a threatened raid to me.
I do not know Yachaj personally, but even if I did it would be totally uncool of me to "out" him to you or anyone else. I would never reveal the true name of someone who wrote under a pseudonym. It *is* my impression that Yachaj does not live in America, but I am not clear why it would matter
WHERE he lives. That is, if I saw his comments as ing "snitch-like," (which I don't) I don't know why it would matter if he was a domestic snitch or a foreign snitch.
I do know Rene Rikkleman. I have had e-mail contact with him on occasion for a few years, and I met him in person at the 2001 Mind States conference. He seems to me to be an intelligent, well-read, and likeable guy. I have also heard from one person who lives in the Netherlands who didn't have a
positive impression of Rene. I don't know Rene terribly well, but I have not personally had any trouble with him at all, and I would consider him to be a distant friend. Rene does live in the Netherlands. Rene actually recommended to me that I buy a copy your recent CD a short while ago (after you had
already sent me a copy).
I've no idea why Rene would have "accused [you] of being a drug dealer" whom he didn't want to have anything to do with. Hell, I suspect that MOST people who are interested in drugs have done *some* degree of dealing, and I can't
really see this as being something terribly negative myself even if it were true. On the other hand, I *can* see why people might not want to associate with folks that they believed to be drug dealers. And I know that Rene
is of the opinion that people should grow their own ushrooms to remove commerce from the equation, as a safer approach (which seems like a sensible idea to me, in at least some respects).
Anyway, if it isn't already clear, my feeling is that when someone is a theif, then it may indeed be time to call the "cops." The web seems to have watered down the ethics of a lot of people, perhaps BECAUSE the medium
itself is "virtual." The same people who might scan a book that I wrote and post it to the web would be unlikely to come into my house and steal a box of the books that I am trying to sell. Since there is no "loss" of a physical object by the theft of posting copyrighted material to the web without ermission, the theives don't really FEEL like they are stealing. But if people can get my book free on the web, them many if not most of them aren't gonna send me $20.00 for a hard copy. Stealing is stealing, regardless if the theives are using a slim-jim or a scanner.
See ya. -- Jon
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Followed by Jon Hanna's reply to me about this matter is my letter in response to the posts at Mycotopia.
Please take into consideration that I am responding to the posts as presented in Mycotopia.
I wrote to Hanna and made some comments about evil people who call police. I also found out that someone told him That I was a snitch and had allegedly put mushroom growers in jail to avoid jail myself. Ha. What a laugh. Here is my response to Mycotopia.s posts.
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Well according to the madness in these posts I guess we should get real serious and charge Bigwood and the McKenna's and every other cultivator for stealing all their growing ideas from copyrighted material published by J. P. San Antoine, who in 1971 published his paper on "A laboratory method to obtain fruit from cased spawn of the cultivated mushroom(sic) Agaricus Bisporus. in Mycologia vol. 63:16-21.
Most of the methods developed by the McKenna's, Ott and Bigwood, came fromthis paper. And then everyone else copied that. PF has the best technique for cultivation and he is very honest in his dealings.
I know many people copy my images and use them on their sites without my permission and many others ask for permission.
Anyway, my 2 cents worth.
mj
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#597618 - 04/03/02 12:28 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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interesting..
it really is unfortunate when flameing and shittossing get in the way of a good discussion..
Everyone stands on the shoulders of all those who come before them, and in doing so may see just over the edge of something great and into the grand unknown. It is a great shame when all one sees is the wall. Give me the grass and great sea where none have trod before..
Personally I feel that Yachaj's email is inappropriate, especially with consideration of the subject.
I have not read the manual in question, however I plan on it. If it is indeed worth the money, I will gladly contribute.
The idea of publishing online with the price barly lower than the hardcopy is inappropriate, in my eyes. Authors commonly get 10% of the sale price of the book. With the lack of the necessity of a publisher on the internet, or even with the presence of a rights-holding firm of sorts, the cost of the intellectual information should not change. To charge 70% of the printed cost of material for a digital form is a poor move, again, in my eyes. He SHOULD be credited and given payment for his time, effort, and thought.
regardless.
Of a certain perspective, are we, individually.
Have an enjoyable day/night.
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Edited by DinoMyc (04/03/02 12:30 PM)
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Re: Latist Entheogen Review claims: [Re: mjshroomer]
#598077 - 04/03/02 10:43 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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thanks for the update MJ.
I am interested in contacting this Jon Hanna. Can you post (or pm if you'd rather keep it private) an email address for him?
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