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Regular Users of Salvia
#5936015 - 08/06/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was wondering if there are any regular salvia users on this board. Theres bound to be a couple! My question to you is: Have you noticed any long-term effects of Salvia usage? I have researched this and come up with nothing, however I do not think that Salvia is used regularly enough for conclusive answers to make it into the mainstream. This is why I am asking for personal opinions. I have heard alot about people hearing/seeing "entities" while on salvia and was curious whether this could be the result of psychological problems manifesting themselves in the user, or simply a very very common effect of the drug. I am hoping for the latter. The reports I have heard all claim that the voices are that of a woman trying to teach the Tripper something (of course no answers are ever found, frustratingly enough). This seems like an odd coincedence, so... your experiences?
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5936032 - 08/06/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive only done it once, but i doubt I will do it again unless I wanna get blow off my ass another time
I did not here any "womans" voice trying to teach me anything but I learned that salvia is not to be fucked with if you smoke it just too see its effect's...
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5936084 - 08/06/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Salvia can really fuck with your head if you use it more than once per day or every other day. I did that when I first got a whole bunch but quickly learned that its really not the best idea to do it so often.
Unlike any other psychedelic I get this subtle but lasting visual effect and a general feeling of "duh??" for a day or two after. It has contributed to long lasting good and bad feelings. I believe it could help to almost cure depression, but depending on the person, it could help bring about depression(like most psychedelics it can go either way).
Entities you "meet" when using hallucinogens are usually not the result of a latent "psychological problem". I think that deserves alot of discussion. SOme of the reasons for it are very logical and nothing to be afraid of. I wouldnt really say I have seen or heard an entity, but I have attained information from certain psychedelic effects. The break down of the language area allows the primal logos to become the primary mode of language within the brain. These primal logos can seem to be a different person. All these associations you make per psychedelic second can most certainly teach you things when in that alien state of mind. So its the same reason some people are prone to making theories about psychedelic aliens.
Salvia is an asexual plant. Its message is asexual. A womans voice is just more comforting than that of a man.
I have only heard voices on mushrooms and ayahuasca. They would help me navigate through the experience and once I got to the furthest point they would tell me things like, "greater things have been done in this place", and then they would kick me out(no more voices after the peak). Though this is true I kept pieces of what they taught me along the way, so the rest of those trips were filled with ideas and mental functions that did not seem to belong to me. Infact, I have learned that they dont only belong to me.
What they sound like to me? Elves, little asexual creatures all curled up together. Many many, hundreds of coils worth of them all working together.
In my experience salvia is one of the most incredible psychedelics, but its messages can not be taken back to home with you like most hallucinogens. What it has to offer is just so HUGE. It definately reminds me of DMT in that way.
There is not just one entity. Ayahuasca users see hooded figures that function like a sort of a "deaths door" and few people want to communicate with them, (but there are are others along the way to that extreem intensity). I read about them after experiencing them on ayahuasca. I actually always referred to them as hooded figures. Three of them. They are some visual phenomena coupled with an archetype or two. They come right about when you start to forget to breath. They are very real though and the things they show you are death oriented, mental shocks that resemble milli-second seizures, and sounds most people have never heard. When you meet them they scare you. So many people have reported this rather intense "entity".
I think most of this stuff has to do with genetics and self-conscious neurology. A sort of a mathematician thats always been hiding inside our heads. Thats why so much information seems like it just came to you in these states of mind. Its spinning the wheels every second and we just cant see it.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: yageman]
#5936119 - 08/06/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, compelling stuff YageMan.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: Wasteland]
#5936188 - 08/06/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Of the many things that psychedelics have taught me, this is a teaching I couldnt have possibly known for sure without psychedelics. Even though I said little about it, I could go on and on about how its not a psychological problem when you understand a message that does not originate from your fractal memory as you know it.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5936195 - 08/06/06 04:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my experience and the experiences of those around me, there is one main entity within the Salvia spectrum. It is most commonly feminine, less commonly masculine and occasionally just a form of light watching over us. Other entities can come into Saliva's spectrum only by the acceptance of the Salvia entity. Salvia can also show you other places/beings/spirits/entities if it is deemed part of the lesson. For instance, Salvia has taken me to see the Bardo beings.
Long term effects of salvia usage... Increasingly more open to other realms of existence, reduced usage of alcohol and tobacco.
I don't use salvia on any sort of scheduled basis, I smoked once this week, could smoke twice next week and maybe not again for a month... It just depends if the moment calls for it or not, most moments do not.
As far as "psychological problems" go, I'm probably more grounded then my friends who don't smoke salvia. If you believe you have psychological problems then you do, its all about belief.
I think that some entities can come from the self while on hallucinogens. If two aspects of the self are in conflict, while tripping one may become a "spirit" and then it must be dealt with. You can either treat it as an external thing that can do you harm like a Shaman would, or you could treat it as an internal thing. Personally I treat it as external, that gives my actions more power.
I have not found this to be the case with Salvia. The entity Salvia is so alien, I cant imagine that spirit ever being a part of me before smoking that plant. So many users meet this entity also "shared hallucinations" work to remove doubt.
Say me and you are together smoking salvia and we are brought to a jungle where me meet an entity. After the experience we both describe the same visions, are we having a "shared hallucination" (delusion) or are we interpreting a separate reality?
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5936202 - 08/06/06 04:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A separate reality would not just be a guess. There is only one person I can experience that place with somehow equally, and it is certainly the same place(both males, best friends forever). Of all the places these things can take you, we experience the same one at the same time. Salvia is not one of those "drugs" though, and I use them all alone most of the time.
What makes a drug feminine is open to interpretation. SOme say marijuana is mostly feminine, but some say its masculine.
I dont think its sex matters that much and I cant help but to wonder why some people give the experience a sex. I think that this is the one of the least objective products of the message. It is loving, its helpful. What do you expect of a hallucinogen though? If it doesnt help you it hurts you. You cant come out of it the same way you went into it. I have never heard a womans voice except for my mother's. I know where that came from. All serious teaching had no human voice and were more like a stew of thought that yeilds an unspeakable biproduct, though for me, it does speak sometimes, and you can speak its own word and try to define it later(and that should take a very long time).....
Feminine qualities can be found within every man. Every male quality is found within every woman. It just depends on how objective the message is when you take the drug. Any differentiation seems kind of polarizing to me. I consider the lessons to be a strange form of logic. Not to be given a sex. Its just static information.
I say this but I do understand why some people perceive certain psychedelics to have a voice of a certain sex. For example: For me, lsd would seem to be very male. Mushrooms would seem to be more female. Ayahuasca would seem to tear all the differentiation to pieces as does mescaline. Marijuana seems female to me. I think they all work with the human brain in such a way that this is a subjective approach. Logic and well being has no sex. The science you can understand via these hallucinogens has no sex. It can speak though, and take on almost any form that is appropriet at the time.
Hense the fact that these drugs do seem to elude to some entities that seem to be one sex or the other to whatever person. The most incredible messages are asexual. They have no bindings.
Its just such an interesting topic. Entities...........I could go on about it for days.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (08/06/06 04:49 AM)
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5936227 - 08/06/06 05:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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As a regular user, daily or every other day, for over 3 years, I can declare that there is no lingering toxicity. I have some familiarity with “others” and elf-types that I do not consider very significant.
Salvia Divinorum is a hallucinogen that acts within 90 seconds - peaks for a short time - and returns you nearly to baseline in the space of ½ hour, I avoid driving within the next hour as well. Seeing astonishing things is reserved for the 3 minute to 5 minute peak period.
Common to all psychedelic experiences is the phenomenon of signals being caused to linger or to fade more slowly in the brain. They continue to enter the brain’s reaction field (cortex) at the same rate. Consciousness expands and fills with more sensations as they fade more slowly Memories and thoughts are made of the same signals as sensation – all mental contents linger and layer longer. Time base is disrupted because some events are still happening when they would have been expected to end, trails and tracers of movement become solid geometries.
The same effects occur with all psychedelics whether fast acting like this one or long acting and more normally “trippy” like LSD or shrooms. With SD it is so sudden that it is astonishing.
As mentioned memory even partially recalled memory lingers longer. IMO most entities are partially recalled memory of people (often family) partly reaching the surface of your awareness and not fading as per usual. IMO, the elf types are those that morph to pointed ears or stripey outfits as you watch, or when a lingering leering or cynical note echoes in mind. The little people may come out of the void as cartoons or motif and are amazing to look at. Often several personal self’s will be lingering in the same or nearly the same mind space and it should be clear that they are residue of self expression not yet faded.
None of the above relate to being sick in the head, all are normal.
What I do not recommend is superstition. What I do recommend is to build healing and healthful habits in ordinary life, and to discover how to turn whatever arises in all states of consciousness towards healing behavior.
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You always were my favorite member redgreenvines. I have a new name now.. You could probably just figure who I am and my last name on the shroomery.
Superstition is not a problem. If you know its true to what ever degree, go with it unless its totally void of any science or logical thinking.
SUpertition makes up a large part of psychedelic history. We are just worker bees........
I would not recommend superstition either. Some of the strangest things you can learn from these drugs seem pretty "out there", yet they are TRUE.
Entities are real only because of what they really are. SOmething you will understand if you have met with them in some form or another. Call them what you will, and give them their own origin, or sex. They are real.... Most people will realize what these things are at some point.
I personally think these drugs can heal aswell redgreenvines, but i dont think that is their only function. Try to not be superstitious, but dont disreguard things that you know to be true, as crazy as they may sound. As long as you know it, thats all that matters.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5936252 - 08/06/06 05:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every time I've smoked salvia I've had a bad time with it. I do not recommend any one to try it. That being said: Every time that I've done it, i saw myself erased; almost sucked into myself. Not fun. Getting to entities: I never see a female, but I did -feel- that I had hurt one in some way. In an inexcusable way. And on the come down I always see lil thumb-like guys. Such as those lame series of movies of thumbs. They are indifferent to my situation, always. I never blame them as they seem to only be spectators. Kinda cute and it seemed their purpose to watch me wake... just doing their job, by my estimation. I don't enjoy salvia and don't advise anyone to try it. I always feel as if I've done something, again, inexcusable to some female and am being deleted for it.... Not the best feeling. Being flattened out into the void. Really, quite nightmarish.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: nunciate]
#5936261 - 08/06/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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To each his own. I too find it to be intimidating..... Even the bodily sensations are so perplexing. Its one of those drugs you could never enjoy to the point of allowing it to reach its potential unless you thoroughly understood it to even some small degree.
It is just so intense. And as far as entities go, It doesnt provide that presence like elongated psychedelic experiences such as ayahuasca, mushrooms, or even LSD can provide......Those are my favorites. Mescaline is a favorite but it just doesnt come close to the other 3 I mentioned, no matter how intense the experience.
Entities are real.....It just depends on how you define them and communicate with them. There are so many different ways. I have taken psychedelics to separate my self from the way I used to use them. I stopped thinking about myself entirely, and I think thats when entities become more than real. They become the embodiment of truth.
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (08/06/06 06:01 AM)
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: yageman]
#5936312 - 08/06/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
yageman said:
It is just so intense.
Entities are real.....It just depends on how you define them and communicate with them. There are so many different ways. I have taken psychedelics to separate my self from the way I used to use them. I stopped thinking about myself entirely, and I think thats when entities become more than real. They become the embodiment of truth.
Understood and agreed. I've tripped many, many, possibly -too many- times, on the whole myriad of stuffs. Had "bad" times on some of them. It's bound to happen. Learned from each of those bad times though. But not like Salvia. Salvia freaked me out in a very harsh way, every time. I just didn't deal with it well. I always felt like I was being deleted. A powerful feeling, sure. Learned what I could from it.. scared as all the hells, but I'd really rather no one feel what I did, as I don't feel any gain of it; like could be gotten from a bad acid/shroom/et al trip. Entities: It's mostly the feeling that I've done something wrong and quite crucial to a Matriarch-of-sorts that I do not even know and never got to see nor discern, in anyway, this female presence, deleting me. Useless, I was to her. Made sense, but still hurt. But on the come down (love the come down) I saw little thumb-ish "people". No Gender. They are just there to watch me, it always seemed. I tried to talk to them one time; no response. Nice things, them. Salvia freaked me out. I didn't enjoy it. All I felt was guilt. Maybe rightly so. But goddam, sucked, really. And, getting back on topic, I did feel the presence of other beings, but they were all in my head, I hope. Just so sudden to know them that it scared me. The first, most "important" and frickin mad one just wanted me gone. Even showed me how she'd do it. She scared me lots. That feeling is basically the reason I stopped doing Sally. The others, the harmless thumbs: They were basically awesome to see after the first. They didn't do anything at all. Which was was much better than what I felt before from the other. I still see those thumb-guys sometimes. Not doing anything, which is nice. All in my head, surely. Representing aspects of myself. Surely others have seen similar, yeah?
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: yageman]
#5936335 - 08/06/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yageman; good to have you around again (why change name if same, why same name if different, self can be many or many one).
I think what you mean about believing and not believing in the reality of the "entities" has to do with the magical reality of addressing what ever you encounter as a who, i.e with fullness and openness. (and as yourself - which it is, huh?)
we are ready to address totality as an equal, but if you believe in the aparitions as real separate beings, perhaps then still they can be addressed as proxies to your hearts desire.
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Very interesting stuff. I would like to see/feel/hear these entities, what dose would you reccomend? I am buying the dried leaves to start out with for I hear they are much more mild. Can these entities be seen with the dried leaves alone (i cant see why not)?
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: bazzah]
#5937375 - 08/06/06 03:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am a regular user of Salvia; I have done it many times. I typically only do it once a month. I have also administered it to over 15 people. At this time the only side effect that I have found to be common in every single person I have given it to is, that in the hours that proceed they are irritable. I answered a similar Salvia thread recently. So I will just re-post what I said previously because I am lazy to repeat myself over and over. ------------------------------------ You should do plenty of reading before doing it and be extremely cautious.
I have done Salvia several times. I strongly suggest 40mg or 60mg extracts; one hit is all you need, preferably through a water pipe. In fact you will not be able to take more then one hit because when you depart your body you are expected to drop the pipe on the floor. I also do not believe all the people who say different people are different, if you do the right amount the correct way then there is no reason not to “breakthrough”. I say this because I have loaded 40mg extract into one bowl several, several times and handed it to over 15 people and every time the person has dropped the pipe within 60 seconds of them taking the hit. (Everyone’s experience is unique but I would like to meet the guy who is immune to the bowl for which I pack)
[By the way I am speaking about “breaking through” if you wish to just get a nice meditative feeling you should do either a very small amount of the extract or just use the regular leafs.]
If you breakthrough which you will when doing a potent extract it will be as if you live an entire life span all in the course of 1 or 2 minutes. The tremendously Psychedelic experience will last no more then 15 minutes with the first 1-3 minutes being so intense you will not even realize who or what you are. I would always set aside one hour for this experience even though the total effects are usually gone within 30 minutes. After the first 15 minutes you are usually left with an extra 15 minutes of small to minor body buzz type of feelings yet are mentally clear. I would also like to mention, out of the 15 people who I have administered it to, none of them have reported any adverse effects afterwards except for being irritable. In fact everyone said it was as if they had not done anything at all. The only thing they all claimed afterwards was they were irritable and in awe of what they had experienced. They all also thought about the experience heavily within the next few days which I tend to think is because the mind is trying to process what happened to it. It is like an acid trip but in fast forward. However, a salvia experience really can not be put into words or compared to anything as it is unexplainable and please do not fool yourself into thinking that you are ready for it because nothing can prepare you for the experience it is just more intense then you can imagine. It is kind of like the first few passages of the Tao Te Ching:
The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.
In a crude way you could easily say:
The Salvia bitch slap that can be told is not the eternal bitch slap.
With that said, take what everyone says with a grain of salt and please educate yourself before you do it. One of the best sites online about Salvia is www.sagewisdom.org
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: orpheus]
#5938161 - 08/06/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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luckily you can choose for yourself if you want to experiment with that intensity, having gone that far accidentally about 25 times, I would say it is not required for an understanding the effects, and it is unpleasant, but it brings up 2 good points.
have a sitter (since accidentally you can take too much) and, whatever dose you do engage with, there is no telling if you will conjure entities of any kind - angellic or daemonic. how your brain deals with set and setting is not so predictible or commandable. I would work up the amounts over a series of experiments, and would steer clear of 40x as it is impossible to measure except, too much.
like always putting the amp up to 11
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Too much, is just right, if you are attempting to have a “breakthrough” type of experience. But when you use 40mg extract all you need is a very small bowl of it and only one hit.
I have never thought of it as unpleasant, even the bad times are good times and highly interesting.
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: orpheus]
#5938557 - 08/06/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh and to clarify 40mg standardized salvinorin - A Extract is a 10x 1 gram package. not 40x,
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: orpheus]
#5939606 - 08/07/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yageman are you the guy with the natives doing DMT in the sig? I remember conversisng with you and your posts... welcome back
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Re: Regular Users of Salvia [Re: passitbobbie]
#5940450 - 08/07/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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great posts usually. 
sometimes quite hostile. 
Edited by palmersc (08/07/06 11:27 AM)
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