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Is this Ps. Caerulipes?
    #5935301 - 08/05/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hello. I am an old user of this board now living in Indiana. Anyway I was out on a chanterelle hunt this morning and stumbled across what my friend and I believe can be nothing else but Ps. Caerulipes.
Two specimens were found growing against a fallen branch. The specimens immediately seemed Psilocybe to me after being very familiar with picking weilii in the past. The mushrooms bruised blue instantly and moreso after a couple of hours. The sporeprint is mostly brown with possible traces of purple (hard to say). Here are some pictures to let you all decide:


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5935342 - 08/05/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting, ideed. Are the gills attached to the stipe?


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5935355 - 08/05/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Gills are not attached to stipe in my opinion. Take note of the middle picture on the bottom row. It looks sinuate to me, if I'm understanding sinuate correctly.


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5935381 - 08/05/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I would guess it's one of the active pluteus before I would guess caerulipes. Super interesting find there mate. Could that brown be a salmon brown perhaps?


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5935400 - 08/05/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I agree, just thought it might be the pic or the condition of the mushrooms.
If this is the case, they are not of the Stropharia family, yet, I am not aware of those bluing features in other species than psilocybe (Strophariaceae) family.
Also, aside from the bluing, those don't resmeble psilocybe, that I can see.
I'm not saying one way or the other, just trying to help you get a positive id before any consumption takes place :smirk:
I'll research a bit, meanwhile, more description would help (as listed in the rules thread) maybe someone else will jump in soon.


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5935412 - 08/05/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

They do look interesting but way too old to tell.. atleast for me...


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5935443 - 08/05/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Those are 100% not Psilocybe. They look like Inocybes to me, and the brown spore print is consistent with that genus. There are several known bluing varieties of Inocybe, some of which may be psilocybian, but extreme caution is advised. Most Inocybes are poisonous, and just because one happens to produce psilocybin and psilocin does not necessarily mean that it does not also produce muscarin (common inocybe poison).

As much as I would love to research this for you my internet time is limited lately, but I think i have given you enough to get started on an ID. Nice finds man.  :thumbup: :smile:


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5935461 - 08/05/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Another thing to note is that the gray striations in the cap are a result of the mushroom drying out and cracking. What appears gray is the white flesh showing through the cracks... so this was originally an all brown cap. Is this what is meant by firillose squamules in the description for the inocybe cap. I have to admit this is seeming a lot less like a psilocybe now with all this input.

The print is still clearly primarily brown. Also the smell is nothing out of the ordinary. Additionally, as you can see in the pictures these have a very pronounced almost black umbo.

Also, no intention of eating these. I think Inocybe seems right, the psilocybin like bluing really led me to believe otherwise. Thanks for the help.


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: shroomydan]
    #5935470 - 08/05/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:wink: :thumbup:

Gotta like that


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5935483 - 08/05/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that was a lot quicker of an ID than I ever expected.


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5936266 - 08/06/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do active inocybes grow that large? And with such a striny stem?


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5936431 - 08/06/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is Inocybe from even just typing inocybe into google images it looks almost identical to some of those pictures. The size is not all that large, the cap is maybe an 1 1/2 inches across and the stipe maybe three inches tall. I think that meets within the parameters of most of the types listed in PMOTW. The problem is is that PMOTW lists only one bluing inocybe, Inocybe aeruginascens. This mushroom definately blued, psilocin type bluing, which is not that clearly represented by the pictures I was able to take. Also the smell for In. aer. is listed as soapy which I did not detect. The bruising is also listed as greenish-blue, whereas this was straight up blue. I think the description more closely matches that of Inocybe corydalina, but again that species is not known to bruise blue.

Are there newer inocybes discovered with bluing reactions that anyone has any information on?


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Re: Is this Ps. Caerulipes? [Re: ladle3000]
    #5936814 - 08/06/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

there are some hallucinogenic psilocybian inocybe speces at the mj shroom world site.

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species.htm

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