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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: Silversoul]
    #5947715 - 08/09/06 05:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever watched Joyce Meyer or read any of her stuff? She is a stereotypical literalist and she talks about God as if he lives in her basement.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5947754 - 08/09/06 05:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as I know, literalist Christianity gets its beliefs from scripture, NOT from direct experience of these transcendent realities.




Most of the fundies that I know claim to talk to God on a regular basis.



Have they ever experienced the nondual awareness of being one with God? Mysticism isn't about hearing voices.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: Silversoul]
    #5948004 - 08/09/06 07:08 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
As far as I know, literalist Christianity gets its beliefs from scripture, NOT from direct experience of these transcendent realities.




Most of the fundies that I know claim to talk to God on a regular basis.



Have they ever experienced the nondual awareness of being one with God? Mysticism isn't about hearing voices.




And here we have yet another definition of mysticism. At this rate we may be able to compile a "Mysticism Definitions" tear-off calendar.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5948215 - 08/09/06 08:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

He didn't imply definition, but rather a single characteristic. Do I have to keep filtering the non-sense through your posts as I did earlier?

Please take the time to fully read each post and respond accordingly.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: RRRR]
    #5948499 - 08/09/06 09:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You watch your tone with me boy. He implied that one isn't a mystic unless he had "experienced the nondual awareness of being one with God." Silversoul is smart enough to handle his own debates.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: RRRR]
    #5948569 - 08/09/06 09:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

God is love....literally. It is an energy that is everywhere, an energy that is pure love. It is conscious and totally aware. I also feel that there are many higher powers, from all sorts of places and dimensions, and whatnot. But as far as "God" goes, God is love.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: Dark_Star]
    #5948822 - 08/09/06 11:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think lennon said it pretty good.
I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong.
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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5949361 - 08/10/06 01:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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So you feel that a literalist Christian should not be classified as a mystic?




:yesnod:




Here we have yet another example of a mystic conjuring up his own special definition of the word.  The dictionary defines a mystic as "One who practices or believes in mysticism or a given form of mysticism," and mysticism is defined as "A belief in the existence of realities beyond perceptual or intellectual apprehension that are central to being and directly accessible by subjective experience."  I'd say that the beliefs of Christians, literalists included, are most certainly beyond "intellectual apprehension."




I think SS sums it all up well (in both his reply and the thread he made). The fundamentalist's spirituality is mostly psychological, thus personal instead of impersonal, and is entirely dictated by their interpretation of scripture. I describe myself as a Mystic because my spirituality is ultimately defined by direct experiences of matters of pneuma, not ancient allegorical and metaphorical texts attempting to illustrate such experiences in colorful language.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: Basilides]
    #5949563 - 08/10/06 03:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Mysticism is definitely not fundamental Christianity,

They both differ in their overall pursuits, fundamentalists look at the text as literal accounts of his-story

but Gnostic's have been long in the mix of mystifying Jesus and the religion itself, although the roots of gnosticism extend predate of the biblical era, their text has been intermeshed with biblical text to paint a abstract portrait of Christianity,

Gnostic's would like you to believe that Christianity was a mystical inspiration, but really I don't think some of what was going on was totally fiction writing, or was ever intended for it to be looked as such, (allegorical or metaphorically)

This is the point that I'm trying to illustrate, why does something like gnosticism make any sense with the bible, when much of the bible was never/ever intended to be looked at as simply a self-help/self-exploration book, but as a historical reference of actual proclaimed faith,

I'm not making a claim to whether it is false or true, but why would you take something out of its context and try to manipulate and confuse its purpose, unless you had a hand in the influence of a "false idea", for false persuasion can delude practitioner into thinking something is literally true, and give the source of the false persuasion status, now I have come to the argument of the 'anti Christ'. That the anti Christ will be manifestation of all false persuasion that is deemed true, that is why he would be viewed as a great savior, but really is the deep secret lie that has grown an festered through religious influence and has risen into one entity, such as Adolf Hitler, as the anti disciple to do gods bidding,


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: capliberty]
    #5949598 - 08/10/06 03:45 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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This is the point that I'm trying to illustrate, why does something like gnosticism make any sense with the bible, when much of the bible was never/ever intended to be looked at as simply a self-help/self-exploration book, but as a historical reference of actual proclaimed faith,



Have you ever heard the term "midrash"? Judaism has a long, rich history of interpretation of sacred texts. Jewish mysticism goes back at least to the prophet Ezekiel, and the Merkabah mysticism which it inspired, and which in turn grew into the Kabbalah.


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Re: Define G(g)od [Re: Silversoul]
    #5949656 - 08/10/06 04:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Certain sects have had a rich history of their own interpretation, and it does extend back into the old testament,

and even some of the text itself is gnostic inspired writing, that the bible is definitely worded with definite false script, in which the old Church's couldn't totally root out all the speculative gospels that was circulating the few centuries after Jesus Crucifixion, alot of the weird creatures you here about in revelations, and alot apocalyptic acts are all gnostic imagination, but see the thing is, people look at this as literal truth, not some authors wild imagination, I have nothing wrong with philosphy and self-exploration from imaginative works as long as they proclaim it as such.

Some of us actually have others convinced that Jesus never was a person, but there were definitely tombs where crucifixions took place, and there has been evidence to suggest a person was crucified with a bright shinny gown, in which the bible has eluded to Jesus as wearing


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