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PowerTrip
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Is existence belief based in science really a religion?
#5934660 - 08/05/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It seems to me that those who use science as an explanation for existence do so with as much faith as those who follow other religions. Sure, science uses complex theories to attempt to explain and quantify existence, but in its current state it does not evoke supreme knowledge. Theoretical physics discusses higher dimensions but who are we to believe we have the ability to speculate on higher dimensions than our own while we are constrained to the laws which govern our perspective?
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: PowerTrip]
#5934671 - 08/05/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Science itself is not a religion. It is a useful tool. However, I tend of those who reduce reality to that which can be physically measured as following a religion. Science itself does not claim to confirm or deny anything beyond the physical realm.
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PowerTrip
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: Silversoul]
#5934708 - 08/05/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Science itself is not a religion. It is a useful tool. However, I tend of those who reduce reality to that which can be physically measured as following a religion. Science itself does not claim to confirm or deny anything beyond the physical realm.
The question was concerning people who base their idea of reality in the sciences and attempt to reduce it to what can be observed and measured. I fully understand that scientific method does not entail any religious beliefs.
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: Silversoul]
#5934944 - 08/05/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Science itself does not claim to confirm or deny anything beyond the physical realm.
And what methods of knowing reality enable us to act as though we have the slightest sense of the nature of these "other" realms?
 Peace.
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5934957 - 08/05/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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Silversoul said: Science itself does not claim to confirm or deny anything beyond the physical realm.
And what methods of knowing reality enable us to act as though we have the slightest sense of the nature of these "other" realms?
 Peace.
Simply stated: Gnosis.
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: PowerTrip]
#5934964 - 08/05/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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PowerTrip said: The question was concerning people who base their idea of reality in the sciences and attempt to reduce it to what can be observed and measured.
Reduce it? You start with what can be known and observed. We directly perceive reality, and there are aspects of reality that are within our perceptions that we can utilize to further realize and understand the nature of this system. This isn't religion - it is perception and experience (i.e. living).
Is it incredibly possible that there are great amounts of aspects of reality that have some effect on our experience and our surroundings, but that we have not yet been able to detect with our senses and what we can use to further our senses? Most certainly, but one doesn't assume that this possibillity and that one over there are true, reflective of reality, and then look for ways to maintain that possibillity even as information is collected that continues to limit the possibillity from being reality.
Reality provides amazing amounts of data, collected through our sensory devices, in every moment that we directly perceive and experience. That is reality, and that is all that we can utilize in knowing reality. It is that interaction between ourselves and the rest of reality that provides for us our experience. Bring awareness into that and all will become apparent as reality presents it to us. 
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: RRRR]
#5935156 - 08/05/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said:
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fireworks_god said:
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Silversoul said: Science itself does not claim to confirm or deny anything beyond the physical realm.
And what methods of knowing reality enable us to act as though we have the slightest sense of the nature of these "other" realms?
 Peace.
Simply stated: Gnosis.
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: Silversoul]
#5935295 - 08/05/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Intuition does not simply materialize; it is developed through experience. It is a state of knowing, most certainly, but it is formulated from data and information derived from one's senses and the subsequent processing of that sensory data by one's mind.
That which one knows does not necessarily reflect reality, either. The question I ask is what other methods does one have to know aspects of reality that are not presented to us by reality?
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5935300 - 08/05/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would revelatory experiences or visions constitute as reality?
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: RRRR]
#5935414 - 08/05/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RRRR said: Would revelatory experiences or visions constitute as reality?
Certainly. Would conclusions based upon those experiences and visions that specifically pertain to aspects of reality beyond the realm of personal experience be valid, when backed solely by that experience or vision?
My personal answer? I don't think so. 
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5936145 - 08/06/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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science is a process. the problems lie in the little details like whether or not you get offended by using words like 'truth'
the process of science will eventually prove all todays scientific truths (theories) false.
ever heard of the theory of singularity? its an insane concept, imo it kinda relates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
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Re: Is existence belief based in science really a religion? [Re: PowerTrip]
#5936404 - 08/06/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes.
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