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So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater...
#5934628 - 08/05/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hate cheaters.
Anyone wanna buy my bike?
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Second Doping Test Positive for US Tour de France Winner By VOA Sports 05 August 2006
The secondary drug test of Tour de France winning cyclist Floyd Landis has come up positive for a performance-enhancing drug.
The Phonak cycling team fired the American shortly after the results were announced Saturday in Paris by the International Cycling Union.
The stunning cycling victory by Landis has been under a cloud of controversy since an initial urine test conducted after the 17th stage of the race showed an elevated testosterone ratio.
The case will now be referred to the United States Doping Agency, which could take several weeks to ultimately decide the matter.
The 30-year-old Landis could be stripped of his Tour de France title - the first time in its history a winner would be disqualified for doping. Second-place finisher Oscar Pereiro of Spain would be declared the winner.
The American could also receive a two-year ban from the sport.
Floyd Landis waves US flag as he rides down Champs-Elysees following final stage of Tour de France Landis staged a remarkable comeback on the 17th stage of the Tour, overcoming a poor performance the day before to surge from 11th to third place overall.
His representatives have offered a number of explanations for the high testosterone to epitestosterone ratio in his first test, including thyroid medication for his ailing hip.
But The New York Times reported earlier this week that his initial urine sample turned up traces of synthetic testosterone.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-08-05-voa10.cfm
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Diploid]
#5934935 - 08/05/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm all for sports on doping, but not in the same league as natural athletes. There should be ways for sportspeople who want to use doping to compete among their peers, but it should be clearly marked, mebbe slap a DuPont sticker on their forehead 
Many athletes in the Tour De France use "blood doping". This basically means they tap a pint of blood, keep it in the freezer, and then transfuse it into you before an event. You'll pee out the water, but will have an excess of red bloodcells, leading to an inhuman capacity to absorb and deliver oxygen to your muscles.
Another near untracable doping is to take alkalizers. The alkalinity in your blood will decrease the buildup of lactic acid in the muscles which is a big part of the pain in muscle fatigue.
Its all fine with me, but not among normal athletes. But then again, what are normal athletes?
-They have an UFO on their heads to cut down on drag -Tailor-made titanium bicycles with $100 ball bearings -Imodium to not crap in their pants (they do pee however, all of them) -a preventive aspirin to not get a pounding headache and muscle-ache -special meals and isotonic drinks between etappes
Where does caring for your athlete stop and feeding him doping begin?
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Asante]
#5935122 - 08/05/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's a hard call. I live in Wyoming and in the late 80's therewere dudes in high school on juice, and encouraging us to do the same. I highly doubt that any more than 15% of athletes in the past 20 years haven't done at least one cycle. The stuff just works TOO much to not do it. On top of that, no matter what the retard reporters try to tell you, being on test feels great!! So let's add it up. Fell good+look good+tons of cash, fame, and power+ small chance of getting caught = worth the risk. ALWAYS!! Just my math, others may disagree.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: ChickenPotPie]
#5935131 - 08/05/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would totally have doped if I was in sports. Not anymore because of it being such a huge issue now, but before they made a big deal out of it, fuck yeah I would have.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Diploid]
#5935136 - 08/05/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Asante]
#5935167 - 08/05/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I'm all for sports on doping, but not in the same league as natural athletes. There should be ways for sportspeople who want to use doping to compete among their peers, but it should be clearly marked, mebbe slap a DuPont sticker on their forehead 
I remember an SNL episode where they had the "All-Drug Olympics." Now that'd be something I'd like to see.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Silversoul]
#5935185 - 08/05/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think they should add on an addition to sports like the tour de france iron man events. I think at some point they should be handed some dosed water (really strong LSD comes to mind) and forced to compete while tripping nuts.
Not only would it make it a lot more interesting to watch, the athletes would have a grand ol' time.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: coda]
#5935261 - 08/05/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think all sports organizations except the NCAA and IOA should allow doping. However they should be able to choose for themselves.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
#5935287 - 08/05/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm with Jim Rome (although I hardly ever listen to the guy) I WANT to see a dude hit a ball 1000 feet. I WANT to see a person long jump 40 feet. I WANT to see a man run a 5.5 second forty yard dash and burst into flames at the finish line. I mean why not?? Through a little LSD into the fray once in a while.... Pay per view baby!!!!
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: ChickenPotPie]
#5935361 - 08/05/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Without restrictions, everything would be pushed to ridiculous extremes and you'd see stupid shit like this:
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
#5935375 - 08/05/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's entertainment, I want to see some good shit. That includes blood, violence, fast moving objects. Football, used to have doping, not anymore, I want to see NFL full of roids. Now that would be a show.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Nashbar]
#5935393 - 08/05/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i googled steroids 
ps: I know it's fake
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Nashbar]
#5935395 - 08/05/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy shit, 
That is sick... in a bad way.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Scratcher]
#5935408 - 08/05/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scratcher said: Without restrictions, everything would be pushed to ridiculous extremes and you'd see stupid shit like this:
Except Valentino got that why with synthol and can now barely curl 55 lbs.
This is what steroids in sports look like:
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
#5935456 - 08/05/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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in fact, Le Tour de France might be more entertaining if it was
vs riding
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Nashbar]
#5935460 - 08/05/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a fuckin disgrace
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: Diploid]
#5935617 - 08/05/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you kidding me?
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
#5935645 - 08/05/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why would a anyone want to have that kind of body ?
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: TYL3R]
#5935812 - 08/05/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Anyone hear the interview with the guy before the second test? He sounded guilty Immediately.
(not exact) Interviewer- Did you take any performance enhancing drugs to win? Winner- Well... I didn't take any type of performance enhancing pharmaceutically active hormonically prominent drug..
Interviewer- Have you ever taken performance enhancing drugs? Winner- (5 second pause, they literally counted it on this radio show), "I'll say no. People would think worse of me if I said something else, so I'll say no"
Not exact, but you get the point. The guy was flat out cheating.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: bhamlaxy]
#5935837 - 08/06/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is very disappointing to me.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
#5936446 - 08/06/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike.
- unbeliever
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
#5936448 - 08/06/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike. - unbeliever
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: LazyGnome]
#5936465 - 08/06/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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LazyGnome said:
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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike.
- unbeliever
That's what you get for double posting.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: TYL3R]
#5937651 - 08/06/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scratcher said: Without restrictions, everything would be pushed to ridiculous extremes and you'd see stupid shit like this:
Remember that it wasn't steroids that turned Greg into a freak, it was synthol. Synthol's medium-chain triglyceride oils (a fatty acid), lidocaine, and benzyl alcohol and he was a fucking egotistical asshole for pumping his arms with oils. Greg's an ABSOLUTELY FUCKED UP person and shouldn't have the privilege of getting anyone's attention. Lets just forget about his fucked up ass.
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Why would a anyone want to have that kind of body ?
Don't forget that the pic he posted is completely photochopped. Marcus Ruhl is just a bodybuilder who loves his powerlifting roots.
This is what the pounding brool of Ru-Ru-Ruuuuhl looks like at a contest. He's definitely a freaky guy, but if I was nearly 300lbs at the time of a contest I'd rather be a cut up freak instead of a huge fat ass. I never hope to be that big, but it's definitely admirable.

You guys have to remember that this guy's succumb to some of the same shitty drug testing that YOU guys bitch about left, right and center. What a bunch of hipocrates. I honestly don't know whether this dude was doping or not, but just because the testosterone-epitosterone ratios came out the way they did, it does NOT automatically mean that he was doping.
Although I don't know the exact probability for error is, I'm willing to bet that if ten male shroomerites got blood tests, at least one of the ten would fail that same roid test.
While I don't care much about steroids, I don't think that it's fair for anyone to win over someone natural. Have an untested division like bodybuilding and your problems are solved. There's far too much fuckin bullshit about steroids in professional sports that this drama isn't even funny anymore. Too much time trying to find people on them and too much time trying to dodge tests.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
#5937769 - 08/06/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the other cyclists tested 4:1 or lower testosterone levels. He had 11:1. I would love to hear that he didn't cheat.
I don't ever need to take drug tests so point the hypocrite finger somewhere else. He shouldn't have done that knowing it was against the rules.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
#5937812 - 08/06/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah, I understand. While like I said, I've yet to pay close attention to these matters and couldn't find the ratios. My opinions are really starting to differ now, but still.
Wasn't pointing the finger at you per se, but others here are pretty quick to be judgemental. I'm sure that most other had not known that either but are still quick to call him a dirty peice of shit. I don't know enough about the test levels of bikers (I'm sure it's insanely low) to really say what kind of an impact that would make, if any. Nor have I seen his training protocol, diet or even AAS's he was taking so none of us can really say much. Asides from the fact that he very likely broke the rules. Now how many others have slipped past the radar, that's a whole new story.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
#5937828 - 08/06/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The worst part about this, is that if he was indeed cheating, his participation in the race altered the starting times and positions of other racers, through the winning of the yellow jersey, time trials...ect
he messed up everyone's times on the tour. Someone who got 5th may have gotten 2nd, ect...
I just wish people were honest.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
#5937875 - 08/06/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dustin, the main thing that you didn't know which i guessed everyone else in this thread did know was that he was tested a few times throughout the race and had normal test levels. It was just the one test he took that happened to be around the time of his amazing comeback where he had very high test levels. When the story first broke, i wanted to side with Landis and believe him but by the time this thread was made it was quite obvious he was doping.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
#5937898 - 08/06/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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stage winner, yellow jersey and one random rider are tested everyday in professional cycling. Meaning Landis was tested 3-5 times at least just during Le Tour.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
#5937957 - 08/06/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I heard the banter of his amazing come back. But like I know everyone agrees on, there's a shitload of variables and whatever he did or didn't do is questionable. 'He' sure fucked shit up regardless. And that is certainly not cool.
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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
#5940616 - 08/07/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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alright i dont know too much about this shit so forgive me if i ask stupid questions.
but how hard would it be for somebody else to dope an athlete without them knowing? could something be slipped into food, or urine samples, or even switch urine samples?
to me it seems like it would be relatively easy for somebody else (maybe a crazed fan or a lab worker who got paid off) to doctor a sample to produce a disqualification.
that said of course there is always a motive for the athlete to dope themselves.
not that i give a shit anyway. since this shit started in baseball my idea has been that they should allow steroids in one league and make the other steroid free. place identical salary caps on both leagues so that there isnt an enticement to choose one over the other, and let the athletes decide which one they want to belong to.
think of of how much more fun the world series would be. you have underdogs against supermen, rocky vs ivan drago every year. thats a sporting event that people would watch and care about.
people are always going to push the limits of what a human is capable of.
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