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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
    #5936446 - 08/06/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike.


- unbeliever


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"Everything that we know and understand comes down to perception, and by altering this perception we shake everything we know. All that you and I can know and understand is what we can see smell hear think touch and so on, and when something like mushrooms or salvia alters this steady perception, it can break reality permanently." - Dihnekis


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
    #5936448 - 08/06/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike. - unbeliever




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Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, olny taht the frist and lsat ltteres are at the rghit pcleas. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by ilstef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

"Everything that we know and understand comes down to perception, and by altering this perception we shake everything we know. All that you and I can know and understand is what we can see smell hear think touch and so on, and when something like mushrooms or salvia alters this steady perception, it can break reality permanently." - Dihnekis


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: LazyGnome]
    #5936465 - 08/06/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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LazyGnome said:
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That's what you get for watching an international support based on riding a bike.


- unbeliever




That's what you get for double posting.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: TYL3R]
    #5937651 - 08/06/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Scratcher said:
Without restrictions, everything would be pushed to ridiculous extremes and you'd see stupid shit like this:






Remember that it wasn't steroids that turned Greg into a freak, it was synthol. Synthol's medium-chain triglyceride oils (a fatty acid),  lidocaine, and benzyl alcohol and he was a fucking egotistical asshole for pumping his arms with oils. Greg's an ABSOLUTELY FUCKED UP person and shouldn't have the privilege of getting anyone's attention. Lets just forget about his fucked up ass.


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Why would a anyone want to have that kind of body ?




Don't forget that the pic he posted is completely photochopped. Marcus Ruhl is just a bodybuilder who loves his powerlifting roots.

This is what the pounding brool of Ru-Ru-Ruuuuhl looks like at a contest. He's definitely a freaky guy, but if I was nearly 300lbs at the time of a contest I'd rather be a cut up freak instead of a huge fat ass. I never hope to be that big, but it's definitely admirable.





You guys have to remember that this guy's succumb to some of the same shitty drug testing that YOU guys bitch about left, right and center. What a bunch of hipocrates. I honestly don't know whether this dude was doping or not, but just because the testosterone-epitosterone ratios came out the way they did, it does NOT automatically mean that he was doping.

Although I don't know the exact probability for error is, I'm willing to bet that if ten male shroomerites got blood tests, at least one of the ten would fail that same roid test.

While I don't care much about steroids, I don't think that it's fair for anyone to win over someone natural. Have an untested division like bodybuilding and your problems are solved. There's far too much fuckin bullshit about steroids in professional sports that this drama isn't even funny anymore. Too much time trying to find people on them and too much time trying to dodge tests.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
    #5937769 - 08/06/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All the other cyclists tested 4:1 or lower testosterone levels. He had 11:1. I would love to hear that he didn't cheat.

I don't ever need to take drug tests so point the hypocrite finger somewhere else. He shouldn't have done that knowing it was against the rules.

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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
    #5937812 - 08/06/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, I understand. While like I said, I've yet to pay close attention to these matters and couldn't find the ratios. My opinions are really starting to differ now, but still.

Wasn't pointing the finger at you per se, but others here are pretty quick to be judgemental. I'm sure that most other had not known that either but are still quick to call him a dirty peice of shit. I don't know enough about the test levels of bikers (I'm sure it's insanely low) to really say what kind of an impact that would make, if any. Nor have I seen his training protocol, diet or even AAS's he was taking so none of us can really say much. Asides from the fact that he very likely broke the rules. Now how many others have slipped past the radar, that's a whole new story.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: theuser]
    #5937828 - 08/06/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The worst part about this, is that if he was indeed cheating, his participation in the race altered the starting times and positions of other racers, through the winning of the yellow jersey, time trials...ect

he messed up everyone's times on the tour. Someone who got 5th may have gotten 2nd, ect...

I just wish people were honest.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
    #5937875 - 08/06/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Dustin, the main thing that you didn't know which i guessed everyone else in this thread did know was that he was tested a few times throughout the race and had normal test levels. It was just the one test he took that happened to be around the time of his amazing comeback where he had very high test levels. When the story first broke, i wanted to side with Landis and believe him but by the time this thread was made it was quite obvious he was doping.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
    #5937898 - 08/06/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

stage winner, yellow jersey and one random rider are tested everyday in professional cycling. Meaning Landis was tested 3-5 times at least just during Le Tour.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: d33p]
    #5937957 - 08/06/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I heard the banter of his amazing come back. But like I know everyone agrees on, there's a shitload of variables and whatever he did or didn't do is questionable. 'He' sure fucked shit up regardless. And that is certainly not cool.


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Re: So That Tour de France Guy IS A Fuckin Cheater... [Re: browndustin]
    #5940616 - 08/07/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

alright i dont know too much about this shit so forgive me if i ask stupid questions.

but how hard would it be for somebody else to dope an athlete without them knowing? could something be slipped into food, or urine samples, or even switch urine samples?

to me it seems like it would be relatively easy for somebody else (maybe a crazed fan or a lab worker who got paid off) to doctor a sample to produce a disqualification.

that said of course there is always a motive for the athlete to dope themselves.

not that i give a shit anyway. since this shit started in baseball my idea has been that they should allow steroids in one league and make the other steroid free. place identical salary caps on both leagues so that there isnt an enticement to choose one over the other, and let the athletes decide which one they want to belong to.

think of of how much more fun the world series would be. you have underdogs against supermen, rocky vs ivan drago every year. thats a sporting event that people would watch and care about.

people are always going to push the limits of what a human is capable of.

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