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Freedom Through Deliberate Action
    #5934452 - 08/05/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I want to make a simple observation. As time goes by I become more and more aware that our whole system of reality is comprised of programming imposed on us by the culture we live in. When ones notion of reality is completely based on the ideas of other people, then we find ourselves in a condition totally lacking in freedom. From birth we have been conditioned to define the parameters of our reality. As children we are constantly told what is what, until we reach such an age that we begin to renew this dialog ourselves internally....constantly...24/7. This does allow our reality to remain stable and enables efficient communications between humans. However, our programming does not stop at this point. We are told how to conduct every aspect of our lives while being bullshitted into thinking that we are expressing our individuality. There are those who feel that it is safest to follow the consensus and find their self worth in acquiring valuables or attaining social standing in the community. Then there are those who seek to be rebels. These folk fight the "system" at every turn and seek self worth in their ideas of individuality. In reality these groups are merely the same. Each group sees itself as superior while basing all of their ideas in the attitudes and ideas of other people many of whom are dead or whom they have never met. Both groups share one common factor (along with all of the folks between these two extremes as well). They are not free. They are not free because their daily perception is controlled and manipulated by the culture and sub-culture group they belong to. You can be a company CEO, a Baptist minister, a hippie, a hardcore drug fiend, General of the Army, President of the United States, or whatever you choose, but you are not free.

The culture itself seems to aspire to limit our freedom in the interests of maintaining itself. The establishment, the workers, the thinkers, and even the rebels are all slavishly serving the culture which has no care for the individual, but works only for it's own survival like some spiritual parasite that sucks the life and freedom from all who are trapped in it's matrix to support itself and insure it's ultimate survival. Every part of your life from birth to death along with every exercise of free will you ever made was based on what it wants, because most people do not know what they want beyond the needs of the culture. Every action you take...every relationship you engage in is it's will, and fear is it's weapon of control. How can we know what is real when most of us have never made a single effort truly of our own volition?

In order to attain any level of freedom from this tyrant we must wake up from the dream. We must separate ourselves from the ego of humanity and stand alone. I am currently striving to wake up through expanding my awareness at all times. I have began to be volitionally aware of every act and every thought that I engage in on an objective basis. I periodically become aware (through practice and discipline) of my thoughts and actions. At night this does not even stop as I have even been recording my dreams and analyzing them. I have become astounded at how deep this programming goes. Through constant awareness I am becoming truly aware of how much of my life and decisions are based in the dream of the culture. This slowly and deliberately unhooks ones perception from the position of our fellow humans to allow one to see things in a more unbiased way. One can start to discover what freedom truly means...the ability to make choices based on what we really want...not on the needs of the culture...and how to tell the difference. This gives one the fluidity to step in and out of the dream at will...manipulating it to our own ends to achieve our goals, or to have the freedom to step out of the dream to walk our own path. One can become truly aware that every action can be deliberate and with purpose to the self. This leads to total freedom and total self responsibility. The only freedom that can be acheived is by making every word, act, relationship, and thought a strategic battleground where choice is based on deliberate planning according to OUR wants and needs.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5934524 - 08/05/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Good post.

I would like to point out, that many (all?) mammals as well as birds, etc... train/teach or "program" their young to live and act like they do, and as others did before them. And there is a difference between this and instinct.

I'm trying to get started on the path, but it may require just a bit more time.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: demiu5]
    #5934547 - 08/05/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"I would like to point out, that many (all?) mammals as well as birds, etc... train/teach or "program" their young to live and act like they do, and as others did before them. And there is a difference between this and instinct."

Very true, but my training as a computer programmer inspires me to want to write my own internal programs. This gives the ultimate in customization of my software for fun and efficiency. :smile:


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5934572 - 08/05/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Very interesting concept! Could you give us a few specific examples of our enslavement though?
You say that our culture and sub-cultures dictate our thought/actions, yet it is one's own personal choice whether or not to join that particular culture. A radical joins a radical group because he/she sees people with a very similair ideology to themselves. This ideology could be imprinted or it could be chosen. At any rate, there is strength in numbers. A lone radical has no chance against an established culture, whereas a group of similair minded radicals may be able to make a difference.
Every group you see are free-thinking people who happen to have common interests. Nazis, Environmentalists, Socialists, Democrats, or NRA. All of these are groups with whom the members most closely identify with.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5934621 - 08/05/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I like it...an excercise in freedom.  I'm going to shut off my computer, get on my bike, pedal it up the road to the lake, find a spot I like, and take another chunk out of Atlas Shrugged  :cool:


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: bazzah]
    #5934631 - 08/05/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Your base programming was done by the culture. So, every action you take based on the reality that the culture has established is in service to the culture. Even your personal choice uses your fundamental programming as its foundation.

"A lone radical has no chance against an established culture"

It is not about being organized or lone...we are all alone anyway ultimately...it is about being dynamic and volitional in our behavior. It is not a revolt...or a conformity...it is about being true to the self.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5935007 - 08/05/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wonderful, insightful post. :thumbup:

I agree whole-heartedly. The interesting thing is that one can still play a role within society, but yet not be of society. The more awareness one brings within oneself, the more one develops oneself, as opposed to being developed, processed, harvested, and rolled out. The more society, at the points at which we interact "with it", change as a result.

I know that many of us are dissatisified with the consumer pulse, and its as simple as ceasing to consume. The more we subcontract every aspect of our lives out, the more that pulse beats. We start living our lives more and taking more responsibility for the specific aspects of our life that we have a choice in, and that pulse will lessen. People love to blame the government and its police state ways, Wal*Mart, etc. etc. etc... its not the problem - we are. :lol:

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5935074 - 08/05/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

great posts. putting it to practical use is what i'm after and i'm having a good time doing it.

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Huehuecoyotl said:
we are all alone anyway ultimately




you mean we are free to choose? whats all this talk i hear about realizing our separateness is an illusion?

i've finished the first 4 castaneda books. thanks man. mostly amazing stuff in there. i'm not expected to just take his word for it, but actually see what he's talking about for myself. the vagueness in don juans's ways of teaching should cut down on this "programing."


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5935856 - 08/06/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

sounds just like this book i recently finished



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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: bobjones]
    #5936102 - 08/06/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"It is not about being organized or lone...we are all alone anyway ultimately...it is about being dynamic and volitional in our behavior. It is not a revolt...or a conformity...it is about being true to the self."

How can you determine what is true to the self when your concept of self is almost entirely formed from social interaction? Even the sense of self that is grasped through self-analysis and introspection is defined using cultural language and concepts. Maybe your just suggesting that you should constantly be aware of your internal dialogue and then try to determine it's potential for pleasure or self-detructiveness?


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: cheesegrits]
    #5936114 - 08/06/06 02:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Maybe your just suggesting that you should constantly be aware of your internal dialogue and then try to determine it's potential for pleasure or self-destructiveness?"
The reason that I asked this is because becoming totally aware of your cultural programming seems like such a hard thing to do. I've also tried observing my thoughts and then trying to analyze them, only to find out later that the thought that seemed to be at the root of the problem was just a guise and the problem was elsewhere.
So when you observe your thoughts what seems to work best for you? Is it best to try to, at least initially, remain impartial while you observe. Then maybe later evaluate your thoughts?


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: bobjones]
    #5936410 - 08/06/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I still think the cover to that book kicks fucking ass. :thumbup:

I need to make a list and ensure that one is on the list. :wink:

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: bobjones]
    #5936592 - 08/06/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i have yet to read the last 2 chapters in that book. it doesn't talk about death very much. rather life. looks like on page 160 i might just be getting there. great read though.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: palmersc]
    #5936847 - 08/06/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"How can you determine what is true to the self when your concept of self is almost entirely formed from social interaction?"

Examining this seems like a great place to start.


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5936893 - 08/06/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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The only freedom that can be acheived is by making every word, act, relationship, and thought a strategic battleground where choice is based on deliberate planning according to OUR wants and needs.




So to be free I gotta be is a perpetual war with myself ?


Fucknuckle reaches for a dobbie........ :rolleyes:

And freedom can only be found with what ourself wants......


Fucknuckle takes a drag from dobbie :smirk:

So true freedom is a complete focus on our own needs.........


Fucknuckle is catching a buzz but needs another toke :stoned:



Freedom = war = self = fuck'em = freedom ??????????

Sounds like a great formula for a huge disaster in life when you something like 30 or 35............Good luck with any real friendships or any real success at having a family.


Fucknuckle burns his finger but takes another toke anyway.....Yeah getting hig is a real freedom from my owy thoughts.........Puff puff puff :cool:


I think this board is gonna be a lot better in ten years when many of you grow into Adults :thumbup:


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5936913 - 08/06/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Sounds like a great formula for a huge disaster in life when you something like 30 or 35............Good luck with any real friendships or any real success at having a family."

I have been married 20 years and I have nearly grown children. Thank you for the positive sentiments for my future, though.


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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (08/06/06 01:07 PM)


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5936926 - 08/06/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I think this board is gonna be a lot better in ten years when many of you grow into Adults :thumbup:




The problem is that even those who pose themselves as adults who are witnessing the folly of children are themselves more children than adult, and they are simply furthering childish behavior. :shocked:

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5936957 - 08/06/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Because I like to hang out with kids makes me less than a child ??

:lol: you really are a dart thrower ain't you ?

Nice try but when I see things that are fully blown out of stupidy I gotta say soemthing

I just don't repy with post with lame ass insults............I attempt to say soemthing


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5937003 - 08/06/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Because I like to hang out with kids makes me less than a child ??




Not sure what you are talking about, but then, I don't know you. I never personally addressed you.

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5937031 - 08/06/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Do you really try to spend ALL your time in here trying to make others look foolish ? But most of the time you make yourself look foolsih................You said I hang out with childern....."The problem is that even those who pose themselves as adults who are witnessing the folly of children"

I only made a remark to your comment..........nice try again but you suck at this


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5937102 - 08/06/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You said I hang out with childern




No, I did not.

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5937155 - 08/06/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
I think this board is gonna be a lot better in ten years when many of you grow into Adults :thumbup:




The problem is that even those who pose themselves as adults who are witnessing the folly of children are themselves more children than adult, and they are simply furthering childish behavior. :shocked:






While you did not insert my name in here.......most of us are not as stupid as you might think we are................. :rolleyes: Nore does it hide your guilt of plaining saying I come in here to hang out with kids


Or wait maybe your not as smart as I think you are and I assumed you would know what I was talking about in the first place. :grin:


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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #5937196 - 08/06/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It was never expressed or implied that you hang out with children. :shrug:

I'm not sure that pursuing this discussion pertains to the topic at hand. If you persist I will not continue to engage in discussing this with you, especially considering the fact that what I stated is evident. 

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Re: Freedom Through Deliberate Action [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5937683 - 08/06/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Now ! ! ! .... we are finally getting somewhere !


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