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wiggles
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Tell me all your thoughts on god
#5934316 - 08/05/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now that I've got that song sutck in your head, after my trip yesterday, I was curious. Discussing it with my sitter and friends, at least 2 have told me that you "probobly need to believe in a higher power" to get something spiritual out of a trip. This made me wonder...
Do you believe in god(s)? Be it Brahman, Yahweh, the Manitou, do you believe in anything? How have psychadelics influenced your spirituality? I find it almost incontemplatable that someone can have deep trips, and take no spiritual guidance from it.
I personally was an ardant agnostic for quite some time. However I still believe I spoke to god to this day during a trip some time ago. Ever since, I've re-donned my cross. In fact, I believe thanks to mushrooms I have a much deeper relationship with God, and the spiritual world, than I would ever have had without them.
How about you?
Do or don't you believe, and why or why not? And how do you think psychadelics, and psychoactives in general, have influenced that?
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TODAY
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: wiggles]
#5934350 - 08/05/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm an agnostic, not really a spiritual guy. I don't really believe in a spirit that is distinct from matter. When on mushrooms I reflect on life and the line that is drawn between lifeforms. This line gets narrower every time I dose. We're all just chems, however complex our configuration. It's a beautiful yet terrifying yet 'insert undescribable feeling here' revelation.
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StickyWater
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: TODAY]
#5934375 - 08/05/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not religious, I don't believe in any God(s). I do believe however that 'God' is more of a mental illusion linked with our perception of reality. And while it doesn't take on any physical or even spiritual form, the power of the concept of God being imbeded in one's brain as real can cause people to shape their reality and influence the environment around them to conform to their views and beliefs. To give a basic and fairly simple example, a runner prays to God before a race for support. The confidence that God is there helping him causes his brain to honestly believe he has an advantage, and is able to use this confidence to ignore the fatigue.
I don't really have a solid opinion on it as I'm constantly changing the way I see it based off new experiences, etc. But this is generally where my views go. As for myself while triping, I find that rather than experiences with religion I become more aware of the chemical reactions taking place in the life around me, the division of the cells, the creation of life, cells in the brain receiving and sending messages through chemical reactions that are able to create a unique perception of reality and a sense of free will. For me it's more of a connecting experience with a lot of analyzing. Do you need religion for a spiritual experience? Well, if you brain doesn't accept the concept of religion then I don't see why it would manifest a religious experience, although significant and life changing experiences are more than possible.
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: StickyWater]
#5934398 - 08/05/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very well said ^^^
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550c
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: TODAY]
#5934483 - 08/05/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have met too many entities not to believe in something
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twiggedoubt
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: 550c]
#5934497 - 08/05/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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My god comes in a tri-fold bag.
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rod
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: 550c]
#5934501 - 08/05/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I believe in God, thats helps keeps me centered.
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PowerTrip
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: wiggles]
#5934596 - 08/05/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe psychedelics will only expand on what your current beliefs encompass. True atheists will likely never have a spiritual experience from using psychedelics, unless there is some amount of belief in the possibility of the spirit embedded in their thoughts. If you spend your entire life as an atheist, while deep down you have some fear or question of the possibility of the spiritual world, this could easily manifest itself while under the influence of hallucinogens. You never know what thoughts may arise which you previously assumed you had total control over. Psychedelics do not have the capability of creating thought, they simply offer a wider perspective on what is already taking place in your mind.
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thatiAM
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: PowerTrip]
#5934788 - 08/05/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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God/divinity is the pure awareness which sustains and gives form (or no-form) to everything. Since we are inseparable from it, and so is everything else (even getting stung by a bee!) then nothing needs to be changed. There is only that divinity, and it doesn't really matter what you call it or what religion you follow. It is ridiculous to me to think that the "real" god would get pissed at someone worshiping a false one.
There is only god, and by being you automatically worship it, aware of it or not. We are all here. We all are. Simple.
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Newbie
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: thatiAM]
#5934904 - 08/05/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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If there truly is a God, then you'll have a spiritual trip no matter what you believe, you may just not percieve it as being spiritual. If you're not taught to know what spiritual is, how can you know if you've experienced it?
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chris92346
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: Newbie]
#5934934 - 08/05/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had a strong conversion experince smoking weed. However it should be noted that I was seeking for awhile. Maybe it was just my time and I happened to be on pot.
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monstermitch
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: chris92346]
#5935094 - 08/05/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I strongly believe there is no god. I do not care for religion either.
Life is amazingly simple to me.
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TODAY
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: monstermitch]
#5935120 - 08/05/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it really simple? Well, I think I understand what you mean by simple but I'm going to say this because I didn't earlier...
I think the the conversion of matter to compounds to compounds that direct their own motion to compounds that think about their motion is quite amazing to me. It's beautiful, it is everything and it is nothing at the same time. To me, that realization is among the most spiritual (or whatever you may call it) thoughts I have ever had. It has changed my life, allowing me be the director instead of the employee, the God instead of the servant...to not be dependent on others for my own life, to take responsibility for myself. To make Heaven an Earthly state of existence and not reserve it for when I'm cold and dead and burried.
To sit back and know life and matter exists and to think about it is what shrooms can help me do, its humbling to know that nothing matters and it is one of the most powerful tools a human can possess. I know this sober but if I ever lose sight, the mushrooms bring it back and they make it seems so elementary, so 'simple' .
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thatiAM
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Re: Tell me all your thoughts on god [Re: TODAY]
#5935126 - 08/05/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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So simple...Being alive to experience life. Life is made to live! So be happy if that is what you want. And if you can't, that is not a problem. You still are, whether you have any of the billion possible labels you can put on that to pervert it somehow. And that perversion is okay too, because it is here It is a part of THIS.
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