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MustNotBe
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Re: datura [Re: DrGeek]
#5932705 - 08/04/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then lets just push all the retards, and republicans (same-difference) off a cliff. Im all for it.
-------------------- Junkies United we stand , Devided we're sick as fuck. - - - "Hallucinations are something heroin users are not at all accustomed to," said Const. Conor King, Victoria police drug expert. "They react like you or I would react if we took Aspirin and all of a sudden the TV got up and started walking across the room." - - - Make drugs legal, or alcohol and tobacco illegal. Either way it's more fair.
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va_shroomer
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Re: datura [Re: DrGeek]
#5932709 - 08/04/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't do datura. If you really MUST take a drug to see "real shit" like that, I think ODing Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) is safer for you. No, ODing Benadryl isn't safe, but you probably won't end up in the emergency room from one try. My dad's a nurse in the ER, he once got a guy on datura . . . he'd eaten .75g of ground Datura seeds, and he was fully psychotic.
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Omnicracker
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I have a good story to illustrate datura use:
4 kids at Texas State university made tea from some of the datura that grows around campus. various reports from others were peiced together to make sense of what happened next. the four were seen in the commonm room of the dorm playing a loud and lively game of cards, without cards. this led into them taking turns jumping off the table facefirst into the ground. 2 split off and survived the night in their room without only minor incident. Another chewed his toungue up and was found bloody in the elevator and taken to the hospital. The last girl broke off from the group and tried to make it to the Square (where the bars are), crawling the whole way, about a mile, on asphalt. she had ripped all the skin off her hands and knees and was picked up by the police.
She never returned from that trip. whe is still held in a mental asylum for treatment. BUT GET THIS! one drug they use to help her return to "normal" is LSD! thats crazy!
this is a true story, there are better ways to get high kids.
Edited by Omnicracker (08/04/06 09:04 PM)
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xxxchristian69
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va_shroomer
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Don Juan was a phoney. Do some research on the guy first.
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xxxchristian69
Your not realyour just anillusion

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thats funny becouse i learned how to dreamwalk if that what you call it from his books
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xxxchristian69
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i learned how to make contact with other beings i learned that i can see my life line through my dreams ( all the things we do in reality are first done in dreams) i learned about the abilty of knowing fate and even experianced it multiple times you mite call it seeing the future lol
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va_shroomer
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I'm not saying he was full of shit, just that he wasn't actually in the amazon. And how come all the stupid ones who can't spell, punctuate, or capitalize, are the ones who claim to be shamans on this forum?
I'm leaving this thread anyways, it's gone from idiocy to flame-war. Listen to what we're telling you, if you want to do it go right ahead, it's your choice, we're just presenting you with the facts.
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xxxchristian69
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maybe he was a phony but that doesnt mean everything he teached was
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unseenat17
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Quote:
xxxchristian69 said: teached
lol...taught. Anyways, yes this has turned into a flame thread. Stating the facts to him is enough...flaming is not needed. You guys are acting like our govt. and trying to dictate what he should/should not put in his own body. As for his reasons...we all have our own reasons, and they have nothing to do with what the next guy thinks. Give him your warnings, say your piece, but there is no reason to be arseholes to each other here in the forum. I for one do not think it is a safe thing to do, and would advise against it. If you happen to do it...i would like you to do a trip report, and pm me the link if you would.
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yageman
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Datura aint the devil and you are not some great source for the information if you are complaining about datura users(for those who are doing so).
Lets keep making fun of the guy because we have some "one liner" types that might belittle him, statements that only apply to our ever more ignorant understanding of the drug.
If you know how to use it you dont have much to worry about. For all those other folks who wont mess with it and could care less, realize that you should not ever mess with it. If not simply because you can not fathom anyone using it responsibly thus far. Thats a flaw, and you should not feel ready to use it in that state of mind. That is untill you shed your bullshit preconceived notions.
Its a terrible drug, but can be a good one. You HAVE heard of many bad trips via mushrooms etc. Unless you are ready for it, DO NOT USE DATURA.............. Its more difficult that you can imagine unless you have actually experienced it. Its not a bad drug. It is however potentially dangerous.
Those are the facts.
To all those telling people its just a flat out stupid idea, you obviously know nothing about datura type plants.
Learn how to treat people. Attacking potential datura users is not cool at all.........
It shows how little you know about the plant/related plants, really though, you misunderstand the wide variety of people out there..... Dont act like the king of the world if you have no idea what you are talking about. Its not a bad drug. Most morons just fuck up the whole trip for themselves in one way or another. That shit isnt shrooms people!
-------------------- [quote]Me_Roy said: You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life. Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (08/05/06 02:14 AM)
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unseenat17
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Re: datura [Re: yageman]
#5933676 - 08/05/06 02:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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thx...couldnt have said it better myself. Everyone is always criticizing others that are bashing shrooms and weed seeming they know nothing about it, when they consider them dangerous. Im sure datura is jus like some people diving head first into shrooms/salvia and commin out a lil hurt. You have to be responsible. I will be honest in saying ill probably never try it myself though.
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Edited by unseenat17 (08/05/06 02:28 AM)
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Omnicracker
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va_shroomer said: I'm not saying he was full of shit, just that he wasn't actually in the amazon. And how come all the stupid ones who can't spell, yadayadayada
don juan wasnt in the amazon, he lived in northern mexico, supposedly. just to clarify
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Asante
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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
#5933758 - 08/05/06 04:29 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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it has an 8-12% fatality rate.
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MustNotBe
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Re: datura [Re: yageman]
#5933888 - 08/05/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yageman said: Unless you are ready for it, DO NOT USE DATURA..............
Does he seem ready to you?
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Asante
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Yageman sounds like someone with experience.
Having experience with Datura, Belladonna, Henbane and Angels Trumpet myself I'll answer how I see it.
Fuck no. Good afternoon 
OK, here's the more elaborate answer: He doesn't seem at all ready. First of all he seems to have no idea what the experience entails. He has a caricature impression of the effects, and ignores a hell of a lot of negative reporting on Erowid, and even an official Erowid warning in the Datura Vault. He comes here, he hears us speak about fullblown psychosis, delirium and 8-12% fatalities and he doesnt ask safety questions. Not one!
Just about any mature adult has some impression of their own mortality, which leads me to believe the threadstarter might in fact be eleven years old.
Furthermore: he displays NO SIGNS of pharmacological knowledge, so he'll probably just grab a bunch like those poor suckers in the Erowid experience reports.
In the other thread the dangers of CCC are being explained to someone intent on taking 8 CCC. He barges into the thread and says said user should "take 16 of them" if he wants to "do it properly". OK, thats a 5 day forumban right there.
Thats not a troll, thats someone who hasn't got a CLUE about the dangers of drugs, who doesnt seem interested in health issues, who makes "cool" statements, has a controversial name and discusses either drugs you can buy in the pharmacy or plants which grow near his house. Or, in other words, an 11yo, at least it looks so to me.
He doesnt seem ready one bit, but he's almost ready for the ER.
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unseenat17
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Re: datura [Re: Asante]
#5934151 - 08/05/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was looking on erowid yesterday, and saw nowhere about the fatality rate of datura. I might of missed it...anyone have a link to that? Second, fullblown psychosis might appeal to him, i know ex-roomate and ex-bestfriend would probably love to try this stuff cuz he is the person that wants to try EVERYTHING for some reason...but thats jus him. You can die from OD'ing on a variety of drugs like morphine, heroin, meth, and coke to jus name a few...and i bet theres a lot of people on this thread that has tried them. And i do believe he knows what it entails figurin you guys have been telling him for the last three pages of posting.
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Asante
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Instead of dosage advice Erowid gives this warning:
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As a general rule, Erowid neither recommends nor discourages the use of any psychoactive, however, in the case of tropane alkaloid-containing Solanaceae plants, we think it is important to note that an overwhelming majority of those who describe to us their use of Datura (and to a lesser extent, Belladonna, Brugmansia and Brunfelsia) find their experiences extremely mentally and physically unpleasant and not infrequently physically dangerous. . There is no way to guess a reasonable dose, because potency of the plant material itself and appropriate dose for an individual appear to vary so much. The question of what "reasonable" means for something that so often leads to such ridiculously negative effects is hard to say. . As an admixture plant in some traditional ayahuasca brews, smoking blends, or other preparations, parts of these plants are generally used in very low doses. Because of the serious adverse consequences associated with tropane alkaloids (scopolamine, atropine, hyoscyamine) intoxication and the wide variation in doses used, we are unwilling to even speculate about specific dosages for the leaves, flowers, and seeds of these plants. . If you are considering ingesting Datura-group plants, please read extensively from the collected experience reports and never take them without a reliable, sober sitter who understands the likely health issues and who can stop you from walking in front of traffic. Please note that fatalities from ingesting Datura do occur and hospitalizations seem to be quite common, in spite of the relatively low rates of psychoactive use of these plants.
Which is pretty stiff and comparable only to their solvent huffing warning.
The fatality rates information comes from a german herbalist book, but most herbalist books that go in-depth will tell you this.
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