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Can my jars recover from cobweb?
    #5933804 - 08/05/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

During the heatwave my PF jars got a little too warm as a result I have some dry looking pale yellow blotches. I also have What I believe to be cobweb. Does cobweb have a scent? I smelled most of my jars and they smell a bit sweet rather than mushroomy. I think that may be the honey from the LC. Also, One of the 10 smelled a bit pungent... like vinegar almost. So I isolated that one in a ziplock bag and put it in the fridge overnight. So far, I've lossened the lids on all the others and then I took the lid of of the plastic container they were all kept in to improve FAE. I also took 3 jars that looked a little worse and coldshocked them to see if the cooler temps would help the myc ward off the contamn. Any input will be very much appreciated. Thx.


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: 76degrees]
    #5933849 - 08/05/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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During the heatwave my PF jars got a little too warm as a result I have some dry looking pale yellow blotches. I also have What I believe to be cobweb. Does cobweb have a scent? I smelled most of my jars and they smell a bit sweet rather than mushroomy. I think that may be the honey from the LC. Also, One of the 10 smelled a bit pungent... like vinegar almost. So I isolated that one in a ziplock bag and put it in the fridge overnight. So far, I've lossened the lids on all the others and then I took the lid of of the plastic container they were all kept in to improve FAE. I also took 3 jars that looked a little worse and coldshocked them to see if the cooler temps would help the myc ward off the contamn. Any input will be very much appreciated. Thx.




sounds like mycelium metabolate or 'myc piss'. Nothing to be worried ahout, its all good :laugh:


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: Cepheus]
    #5933870 - 08/05/06 07:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The sweet smell is bacteria, and the contents of that jar needs to be discarded.

Molds in jars are also not treatable and should be tossed out as soon as detected. The peroxide treatment for cobweb mold is for the surface of a cased substrate, not for grey molds within a spawn jar which spread through the entire contents.
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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: Cepheus]
    #5933878 - 08/05/06 07:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thx maneater & RR! So you are saying the cobweb will cause that sweet smell?

Here are some pics of a few spots with brown rings, the "yellowing", and what I think may be cobweb. Also there are a few brownish areas that I am concerned about. What's your diagnosis doc?

"Brownish" areas circled in red:


Another angle. You can see how it changes from white to off-white:


The Yellowing (metabolites?) mixed with some brown and a "ring" or two which I think (i hope) is just just BRF bleeding through...


What's that brown ring near the bottom? The other two I'm not really worried about. But that one ring looks weird to me:


And here's what I thought might be cobweb. It almost looks like hair!


Another angle:


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: 76degrees]
    #5934069 - 08/05/06 10:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I put one cake in a plastic bag and crumbled it up to see if there was anything strange growing inside the cake. Here's what it looks like:


Seems fine to me except for that faint scent RR told me was bacteria. Can mycellium overcome bacteria? It sure doesn't smell bad.


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: 76degrees]
    #5934386 - 08/05/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's hard to tell from those little thumbnails and I won't click to offsite photo links because they put spyware and other malicious cookies on our computers. Remember, nothing 'free' ever really is. Somebody has to pay their server bills.

Multi colored/textured spawn is contaminated however, and needs to be discarded. A sweet smell is bacteria and also should be discarded. Cobweb won't smell bad, but it rarely infects jars. Usually in jars, grey or brown is some other, more noxious mold.
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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5936828 - 08/06/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I think the jars smell abit like iced tea. Not a bad smell. But I might just be projecting it as I've condeucted the smell test over and over and I can't really come to a decision on if it is sweet or mushroomy. It is borderline at best. The jars don't seem to be getting worse. Some seem to be improving.

The mix I used was the "max fruiting formula" 1/4 BRF 1/4 H20 1/2 VERM. Plus, I used about 10cc of LC per jar. I think that might have been overdoing it. The brown I think could be BRF bleeding through. The sweet(ish) scent could be due to the high dosage of LC (honey based) as well as the dry yellow(ish) tint which might also be explained by metabolites. So, until I see the colors darkening or morphing into black, purple, red, or green -OR- until the smell goes sour or bad... I think I might be OK. I might just be paranoid ad hell. Kind of like you and spyware. LOL. j/k thx for your advice. I trust it. But, I'm just not ready to throw the work out just yet.

BTW, won't bacteria eventually go from sweet to sour... or develop an "off" smell?


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: 76degrees]
    #5955759 - 08/12/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So, yeah. My jars din not have cobweb as I found out it rarely or never occurs in PF jars. I did end up transferring 8 cakes to ziplock baggies. One had a black core. It was like a ball of charcoal had formed in the center. It was tough almost like it had burned to a crust inside. The rest of the cake was fine.

So, I wonder if the cake had done it's best to defeat it and had defeated it. Or if it was in the process of defeating it. Or if the black was still growing when I found it. Well it's all broken up into bits now. And I've quarantined the bag. I'm going to wait and see what happens with that black stuff now that it's all broken up.


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Re: Can my jars recover from cobweb? [Re: 76degrees]
    #5962422 - 08/14/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Wow. I see no one gives a shit about this post. Oh well. Here's an update anyway. I disregarded RR's advice and didn't throw away any jars. One had some kind of crusty black mass in the center of one PF. Yuk. So, I crumbled it up airtight in a zip lock to see what would happen. The myc is tearing that black shit up! Haha, contams. You can't fuck with me! j/k, I just had a few shots of liquid courage, lol. So - for real - the black is defeated. I'm still not going to take a chance with it tho. I will bury it out in the compost. Just glad to see my myc was stronger :mushroom2: power!


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Edited by 76degrees (08/14/06 11:29 AM)


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