|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it
#5932843 - 08/04/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
FrostWire must be looking awfully attractive these days. In a surprise move, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has sued Lime Group, LLC., LimeWire, LLC, Mark Gorton (CEO), and Greg Bildson (CTO). Lime Group is the umbrella company which the LimeWire development firm belongs to.
Just recently all seemed well on the LimeWire front. With over 4 million simultaneous users, Gnutella had become a mainstream success. LimeWire's contribution to this protocol, as well as BearShare, resurrected an otherwise mediocre community.
Although LimeWire was a recipient of the September 13, 2005, RIAA cease and desist letters, it continued Gnutella development unabated. The letter demanded P2P developers to "...immediately cease-and-desist from enabling and inducing the infringement of RIAA member sound recordings. If you wish to discuss pre-litigation resolution of these claims against you, please contact us immediately."
LimeWire's continued operation was in stark contrast to other P2P developers such as BearShare, eDonkey, and WinMX, who all ceased operations following the order.
LimeWire's more notable contributions since September was a security upgrade, and a proposed overhaul of the protocol to include DHT and BitTorrent support.
These advancements aroused curiosity as it appeared a serious protocol revision, especially one that greatly enhanced the functionality and efficiency of the user experience, would be in conflict with the RIAA's demands. However LimeWire's work on an expected copyright filter mitigated the immediate expectation that LimeWire would become the next RIAA statistic.
Yet the filter never came to fruition and advances kept coming. In fact, according to LimeWire's latest blog entries, two significant developments are (were?) in the work. One is web interface which would allow for remote participation, and a portable version for USB transportability. With negotiations stale and the RIAA impatient, the day of reckoning appears to have come.
"Since the Supreme Court's unanimous Grokster decision last year, we have extended our hand to the major illegal file sharing networks and encouraged them to become legitimate players in the online music marketplace. We have been patient as a number of services – WinMX, Bearshare, Grokster, i2hub, Kazaa – have ultimately decided to close down or transform themselves into legal music services," the RIAA said in a statement.
"Despite numerous efforts to engage LimeWire, the site's corporate owners have shown insufficient interest in developing a legal business model that adequately respects copyrights. While other services have come productively to the table, LimeWire has sat back and continued to reap profits on the backs of the music community. That is unfortunate and has left us no choice but to file a lawsuit to protect the rights and livelihoods of artists, songwriters and record label employees, as well as those companies building legitimate businesses based on music."
The lawsuit, filed in New York's southern district, cites Mark Gorton and Greg Bildon as both exerting substantial influence over LimeWire development and profiting handsomely from the commercialized "LimeWire Pro."
"Defendant Mark Gorton is a principal and the Chief Executive Officer of defendant Lime Wire LLC. He is also a member and the Chief Executive Officer of defendant Lime Group LLC. Mr. Gorton is the dominant influence in Lime Group LLC, and, along with Defendant Greg Bildson, in Lime Wire LLC. Mr. Gorton has been personally and substantially involved in and profits greatly from the design, promotion, marketing and distribution of LimeWire."
In building their copyright case, the RIAA lawsuit also documents that LimeWire encourages sharing, and punishes those who "freeload."
"Defendants have taken steps to ensure that LimeWire users "share" a large number of files on LimeWire, thereby maintaining the draw and reputation of LimeWire as a vast, unauthorized repository of commercial sound recordings...Indeed, Defendants further designed LimeWire to punish those users - called "freeloaders" by LimeWire - who do not "share" enough files with other LimeWire users."
The RIAA's lawsuit builds upon the "induce" copyright infringement standard, which was awarded to copyright holders by the Supreme Court in June of 2005 (MGM vrs Grokster.) The lawsuit claims LimeWire "induced and continue to induce infringement by, for example, aiming to satisfy a known source of demand for copyright infringement, including the market comprising users of other infringing services that were shut down or 16 compelled to block access to Plaintiffs' copyrighted works, such as Napster, Grokster, and Kazaa."
The RIAA also claims LimeWire actively induces copyright infringement by failing to implement filter unauthorized works and by profiting from an infringing business model. LimeWire was also accused of more traditional "Contributory Copyright Infringement", "Vicarious Copyright Infringement", and "Common Law Copyright Infringement." It should be noted that no other P2P developer has been sued for common law copyright infringement.
"Plaintiffs' Pre-1972 Recordings are subject to common-law copyright protection under the law of New York. As the owners of valid common-law copyrights in the Pre-1972 Recordings, Plaintiffs possess the exclusive rights to manufacture, copy, sell, distribute, and otherwise exploit the recordings."
Many believed, as did LimeWire, that their open source nature would preserve their existence - at least for some time to come. LimeWire's open source nature may not save the company from the RIAA's onslaught, but it may save the network. LimeWire's newest features and talent comes from the open source world; even if Lime Group vanishes tomorrow, development won't.
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
Banez
Stranger


Registered: 09/23/05
Posts: 15,181
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932867 - 08/04/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
limewire is a piece of shit anywayz... idk how i feel about the whole sharing thing.. its not like music artist are exactly broke ne wayz..
most people will still but albums if the music is good anywayz.. atleast i do.. even if i burn the full cd.. if i think its good, ill go out and buy it.. just to "support the artist"
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932874 - 08/04/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Just incase your not sure about this it means the RIAA's main focus will be Limewire for sometime. They are nasty and will sue its users to make points. They did this with Kazaa if you remember. I suggest looking else where for your downloading needs till the heat cools off. IMO
Oh also if you dont protect yourself atleast a little bit while downloading copyright material you should. Look into this and use it. Dosn't mean your totally safe but hey it helps keep alot of bad ips off your ass.
http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
Banez
Stranger


Registered: 09/23/05
Posts: 15,181
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932877 - 08/04/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
yeah i actually stopped using limewire a while ago.. after i caught it installer keyblogger on my comp...
im all soulseek for now
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Banez]
#5932881 - 08/04/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah well any file sharing you do u should use an ip blocker man. No matter the network or client
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
0xYg3n
topdawg


Registered: 04/29/04
Posts: 18,881
Last seen: 14 years, 10 months
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932891 - 08/04/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
direct connect++ ftw. They never talk about that one.
|
Afroshroomerican
Oprah's Minion


Registered: 05/12/06
Posts: 891
Loc: Pennsylvania
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932894 - 08/04/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Oh noes NOT TEH LIMEWIRE!!
Torrents
There's nothing you can do to them...
The problem with things like limewire is that they are hosted by central places that provide these searches.
Torrents go through so many computers and the sites never touch the data. They just link it.
The RIAA/MPAA are trying to crack down on them with failed attempts why? because they aren't on a central server....and trying to cut down on trackers is like trying to kill porn on the net.
-------------------- "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools." ~Martin Luther King Jr.~ <passitbobbie> if I just showed you a closeup of my ass <passitbobbie> youd think it was female "You owe errrbody up in here an apology fow youwe shit, HO!" - classic
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: 0xYg3n]
#5932896 - 08/04/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Yup you are right abou that sir. Dc++ is good but alot of people dont know it or take the time to learn it.
hats off to you
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5932899 - 08/04/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Afroshroomerican said: Oh noes NOT TEH LIMEWIRE!!
Torrents
There's nothing you can do to them...
The problem with things like limewire is that they are hosted by central places that provide these searches.
Torrents go through so many computers and the sites never touch the data. They just link it.
The RIAA/MPAA are trying to crack down on them with failed attempts why? because they aren't on a central server....and trying to cut down on trackers is like trying to kill porn on the net.
Amen!
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
Vvellum
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 10,920
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5932958 - 08/04/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
they could always take down trackers.
|
Boom
just a tester

Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 11,252
Loc: Cypress Creek
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Afroshroomerican]
#5932963 - 08/04/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Get into usenet.. torrents are pretty wide open really...
|
Vvellum
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 10,920
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Boom]
#5932969 - 08/04/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
soulseek dc++ torrents and newsgroups
those are all you need, really.
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Boom]
#5932976 - 08/04/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
I use alot of newsgroups. Personally I feel the fastest way to get anything is through the newsgroups and thats where all realases usally start anyways. They are top of the food chain. The problem is its not straight forward you have to do some reading and also you have to pay to get a good server.. but i feel its worth it. some you can get for like 2 bucks a month
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
Vvellum
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 10,920
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5933074 - 08/04/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
which one costs $2 a month?
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Vvellum]
#5933101 - 08/04/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
This one here its what I use and I love it.
If I go over my limit I have the option to renew early for just another 2 bucks or I could just go unlimited for that month then back to my monthly rate. I love it
http://forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
BTW you don't have to purchase their news client to use their servers. Use a free client and use their server for 2 bucks
I use grabit for my news client. http://www.shemes.com/
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
Edited by TrippinTeddy (08/04/06 11:01 PM)
|
Hyper_Panda_GO
Team Action!

Registered: 05/28/06
Posts: 9,720
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5933164 - 08/04/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Good thing I left that skank Limewire for the hot piece of ass that is Soulseek
-------------------- There is no valid reason you should be reading this
|
Vvellum
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 10,920
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5933211 - 08/04/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
nice. I might try them.
the website doesnt exactly explain the contract agreement. do they bill you per month, or all at once (12 x 2.95)? Can you cancel the service and not be billed?
basically, im looking to dl movies and tv shows and I'd rather not use bittorrent for that (as I have been doing) for security reasons. is the selection pretty good?
thanks
|
TrippinTeddy
Lost Voyager


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 18,461
Loc: Returning Video Tapes
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: Vvellum]
#5933237 - 08/04/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Ok check it out. They charge monthly. And you can cancelle anytime you like.
If you have never used a news group before I suggest you read this. http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
There are indexing sites for files called nzb files. They are very similar to torrent. Read about that.
Here is a pretty good site that i use right now for movies via nzb. There are many other sites out there... I just use this one. http://thepeerhub.com/index.php
Good luck
-------------------- ToiletDuk said: For the record, I would show you my butthole but you would fall down and worship it as a God and you would give up everything to roam the land converting the heathens by fire and sword. Millions would die. No, no the cost is too great. I cannot.
|
Vvellum
Stranger

Registered: 05/24/04
Posts: 10,920
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5933633 - 08/05/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
thanks. I'll check that out.
|
THE KRAT BARON
one-eyed willie
Registered: 07/08/03
Posts: 42,409
|
Re: Limewire Sued by RIAA- Might read if you use it [Re: TrippinTeddy]
#5935323 - 08/05/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
This is a sad day. No matter what people say about the LimeWire program it still served it's purpose and did a damn good job of it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the bit-torrent system for movies and such. However LimeWire worked flawlessy at geting me all of my music needs. SoulSeek is alright for hard to find music but it's slow as dirt, it doesn't support the multi peer downloads. Is that warezclient at all similar to LimeWire? If not what's the closest program that supports multi peer downloads?
Also, are they just targeting LimeWire or are they trying to shut down the whole Gnutella network?
-------------------- m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
Edited by mattzdope (08/05/06 07:56 PM)
|
|