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CosmicFunGuy
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My chamber idea.. will it work well?
#5931724 - 08/04/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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For a chamber... I plan on using a mini greenhouse like this one mini greenhouse ... I've seen other pictures of people using the exact same one i have, for mushroom cultivation and the bottom on mine is sealed already. I've always used it to sow seeds indoors for spring planting but now I want to modify it permanently for growing mushrooms. Any modifications and suggestions to my plans are appreciated. I plan to use a thin piece of hard plastic with clear industrial duct tape to reinforce the greenhouse shell with there are modifications and tubes and fans inserted sealed with caulk or the sort. I plan on one side to have small PVC tubes filled with polyfill to act as exhaust one just above each tier. The other side I plan to use small computer fans at the same spots for fresh air intake. These fans will be on a switch so I can fan a couple times a day as I feel necessary (air filtration suggestions for these, please). I also plan to use 2-3 cool mists attached with tubes, near the top of the green house for humidity. I plan to install all 3 but only start with 2 on to see if its adequate then turn on the 3rd if necessary. I plan on using Qt. Rye jars (possibly wbs/rye mixed? suggestions on this please). Then the jars will be mixed in small gladware or foil containers with hpoo or worm castings (depends on whether i feel up to pasteurizing hpoo), covered and put back into incubation then later when colonized, cased with verm/peat 50/50 with oyster shells, incubated a few days longer til myc pokes thru casing then put in this greenhouse setup for fruiting.
I've got lots of concerns. I explained as best as I can, so you can help the best you can. Some of my main concerns are...
Is this excessive (i.e. grain to poo then cased, too much FAE, etc)?
Will this work well for a decent amount of mushrooms? (not will I get a decent amount, I know nobody can predict actual results)
How does the fruiting chamber sound? (other modification methods to this style greenhouse would be appreciated, Its what I've got to work with and I've seen people who use them on here.)
Other questions are pretty well asked in the explaination, but feel free to improvise and throw whatever else into or out of the mix you'd like as long as it's for my learning benefit and the optimization of my setup and future grow. Also, I know alot of people disagree with each other on what optimal really is. If you disagree with what someone says, please explain why and be civil with your debate. Some people on here get too worked up and forget about the noob they're trying to help... (rememeber me?) This is not a thread of arguements, PLEASE keep it civil.
This is my plan I'm sure I misunderstood something along everything I've read on here, therefore my plans are sure to have flaws and I have much to learn, but thats why I'm posting my idea BEFORE a mistake is made. I want to do this right. The few small mushrooms from my pf cakes were not what I wanted from indoors cultivation. They produced just not in the amounts I wanted (at LEAST a few Oz's). Sterility is not a problem for me, and since I've joined I've spent at least an hour a day reading how-tos and teks. I'm starting to feel more secure then I did with my PF attempt, mostly because then I was afraid to ask questions, It would've gone better had I asked for advice on my setups and methods. i won't make that mistake again. Again, all your help is appreciated more than you know... Thanks
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HippieChick
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#5931772 - 08/04/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Green Houses are GREAT 
 
Good Luck
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: HippieChick]
#5931873 - 08/04/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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the best advice i can offer:
start SIMPLE with your greenhouse.
only make fancy modifications if you need to address something that isn't working right. don't fix things that might not be broken.
example: your cpu fan idea. sure its clever to rig up fans with fancy filters on a switch. but its probably not needed. just leaving the flap loose at the bottom of your greenhouse, and a small opening somewhere near the top is almost always sufficient. the thing to understand about air exchange is that you're really trying to accomplish low levels of CO2. CO2 sinks. so if there's somewhere for it to escape out the bottom, it will. and if there's a small opening somewhere at the top, it will draw in fresh air by suction as it does. fans usually wreak havoc on humidity, and dry out casings, even when used sparingly. humidity is as important if not most important.
as for your jars, experiment a bit and see what works for you. if you're spawning to poo anyway, it doesn't matter so much the spawn material, its purpose in life is to provide lots of contact points of young mycelium to colonize said poo... the poo takes it from there and provides the vast majority of moisture and nutrition needed for healthy crops. rye is often a choice when folks aren't spawning to something else, because it is good nutritionally and holds decent amounts of moisture (whereas plain WBS isn't so good to fruit alone from a moisture standpoint.) i'd almost suggest just going with wbs alone as your spawn material, since its cheap, easy to find, and easy to prepare. rye and wbs have different moisture holding capabilities (as mentioned) so you'll have to hydrate them separately, and mix them together after if you want to go that route. it can be done but i'll wager you find the extra work tedious without noticable reward. rye alone certainly makes a fine spawn if its what you prefer.
if you're looking for some big yields, you're on the right track. bulk spawning is the way to go to accomplish that, be it poo, or whatever you use. don't expect things instantly though, your grows will increase in quantity and quality as you gain experience and tweak your environment. if you want to get serious and have consistent results, its worthwhile to learn about isolation via agar, or even the easy way out (yet nearly as effective) of cloning fruits via LC as I like to use... its the old saying, garbage in, garbage out (not to imply starting from spores is 'garbage' but you get my drift) if you can come up with a quality culture that performs well, it will perform well consistently and may make one of the biggest differences out of anything else... and so many overlook that because they're too focused on silly gadgets and gizmos rather than the fundamentals!
good luck
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#5931897 - 08/04/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Computer fans will not create static pressure. They were not designed to do so. So, if you place any serious filter material in front, or behind one. It will not blow through it. Unless, the filter material is porous. I mean VERY porous. To blow through a dense, or hepa type filter, think squirrel cage type fans.
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: HippieChick]
#5931898 - 08/04/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn good looking HC !!!!!
So is your greenhouse:)
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CosmicFunGuy
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: ralphster44]
#5932002 - 08/04/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input so far. I think I'll skip on the PC fans and follow your suggestion creamcorn and only add what needs fixing. obviously i do want my cool mists for humidity as the air in the room is extremely dry. Is the top the best place to connect them to the chamber or would i be better off putting them in somewhere else? Beatiful greenhouse pics HC!
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♫ ♪ In the garden of many fields, there is no me or you. There is no right or wrong. There is no up or down. There is no black or white. Everyone is the plow man. Everyone is the seed. Everyone harvests and everyone yields. In the garden of many fields, everyone is one with one love and one love is one with everyone. ♪ ♫ lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#5932087 - 08/04/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Start with one cool mist , it's all I ever need for one 
  
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CosmicFunGuy
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: HippieChick]
#5933012 - 08/04/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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in the first pic you have two things going into the greenhouse the top one is the cool mist from the other pics i assume but what is the bottom thing?
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♫ ♪ In the garden of many fields, there is no me or you. There is no right or wrong. There is no up or down. There is no black or white. Everyone is the plow man. Everyone is the seed. Everyone harvests and everyone yields. In the garden of many fields, everyone is one with one love and one love is one with everyone. ♪ ♫ lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)
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HippieChick
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#5933069 - 08/04/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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The other line from the cool mist .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
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Re: My chamber idea.. will it work well? [Re: HippieChick]
#5933874 - 08/05/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow HC.. just, wow. Lol -- intense pictures. (:
That made my day.
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