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p_dot_cubensis
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Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O
#5930488 - 08/04/06 04:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This article is quite old, but it really angered me to read these utter lies O_o!!!
One of the things he said...
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Well, this pot is coming from South America. It's coming from Mexico and we're growing some here in the United States. This is very potent marijuana. As they say, this is not your father's marijuana or, for our generation, our friends in college's marijuana, it's 10 to 20 times more powerful.
The tetrahydrocannabinol, which is the toxic, potent ingredient, really is very, very powerful and that's probably the reason that marijuana leads the list in terms of diagnosis for drug problems among young people. It's the primary diagnosis for drug problems now, because it is so strong and so powerful.
Heres the full story : CNN.com - William Bennet:Today's pot is more dangerous.
Anyone wanna email him ? hah Bill Bennett's Offical Home On The Web
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
#5932107 - 08/04/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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any old dudes I've met from back in the day say it was just as good or better back then
He's getting paid to say that shit just like the rest of them.
I've heard anti pot people say the stupidist shit. Like "Pot now has as much as 90% thc where it only had 5% before". That would be a crystal on a stick retard.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: 888]
#5932243 - 08/04/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Potent is safer, imo. You smoke less. I was around 'in the day' and trust me, we would routinely roll up two doobies just to get high. One would follow right after the other.
Bill Bennet is a 350 pound moron with four chins. If he wants to rail on about something he really understands, he should try to get TV, twinkies, and pizza outlawed, not weed. RR
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p_dot_cubensis
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5932370 - 08/04/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well the argument I have with that anyway is that's not true anyway. Maybe the stuff that has been smuggled/imported over the years has grown in potency, but there has been GREAT ... LIKE O_O!!!!! ... bud around for a looooong time, maybe not here in the states, but around the world there has been potent pot that has seemed to not kill anyone....
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5933581 - 08/05/06 01:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Potent is safer, imo. You smoke less.
I agree with that.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
#5933761 - 08/05/06 04:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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why does some truth anger you?
tetrahydrocannabinol is toxic not only to the body but to the mind also, and more potent than it has ever been, and is the cause of a large percentage of people to have mental probs whether mild or extreme.
its all to do with treating the drug recreationally, and not self medicating day in and day out which many people also tend to do.
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Edited by spudamore (08/05/06 04:38 AM)
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5934786 - 08/05/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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spudamore said: why does some truth anger you?
tetrahydrocannabinol is toxic not only to the body but to the mind also, and more potent than it has ever been, and is the cause of a large percentage of people to have mental probs whether mild or extreme.
You just repeated what was in the article?
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: jmg5]
#5934898 - 08/05/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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just to make the point that there is some truths in the article, but people are blind when they are so attached to drug use.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5935291 - 08/05/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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spudamore said: but people are blind when they are so attached to drug use.
you hit the nail right on the head there
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5935619 - 08/05/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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spudamore said: why does some truth anger you?
tetrahydrocannabinol is toxic
Where is this truth? Toxic like what?
You would need a pound of PURE THC, injected into your vein to overdose.
Q. How much alcohol would you need? A. A lot less.
So Toxic like what?
What else can you add 450 grams of to your bloodstream, that would not kill you?
Saline.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5935696 - 08/05/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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open your eyes.
just to make the point that there is some truths in the article, but people are blind when they are so attached to drug use.
i didn't say anything about overdosing.
toxic as in a forgien chemcial compound put into the body.
Wiccan said:
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The extent of possible long-term damage on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remains controversial. Marijuana can induce a schizophrenic psychosis in vulnerable persons presumably without increasing the incidence of the disease. Disturbance of immunological and hormonal functions and long-term impairment of memory, attention, and complex cognitive processes are low
"Low" means that even this pro-marijuana research paper acknowledges disturbances of immune system, hormonal functions and long-term impairment of memory, attention, and complex cognitive processes
The extent of possible long-term damage on psyche and cognition, immune system, fertility and pregnancy remains controversial. Aside from brain syndromes infertility and pregnancy effects are DNA effects.
Clin Toxicol. 1979 Apr;14(4):433-8. Related Articles, Links
Myocardial infarction (= heart attack) upon smoking a joint
Myocardial infarction and marijuana.
Charles R, Holt S, Kirkham N.
Myocardial infarction in the virtual absence of risk factors occurred in a 25-year old man shortly after smoking a cigarette containing marijuana. Subsequent coronary arteriography was normal.
This is what happened to me personally but then in a bit more severe case with no risk factors of significance. Must've been a harmless heart attack then ei? In a healthy 25 year-old?
Marijuana's cardiovascular effects are not associated with serious health problems for most young, healthy users, although occasional myocardial infarction, stroke, and other adverse cardiovascular events are reported. Marijuana smoking by people with cardiovascular disease poses health risks because of the consequences of the resulting increased cardiac work, increased catecholamine levels, carboxyhemoglobin, and postural hypotension.
Only occasionally weed causes heart attacks, strokes and similar health crises. Isn't THAT harmless?
We already know that regular use of cannabis is associated with an increased incidence of mental illnesses, most notably schizophrenia and depression,4 but it is also worth examining its potential to cause other illnesses, especially those of the heart and respiratory system...Smoking cannabis causes chronic bronchitis, emphysema, and other lung disorders, which were recently summarised in a review released by the British Lung Foundation.3 ...Although the active ingredients of the cannabis plant differ from those of the tobacco plant, each produces about 4000 chemicals when smoked and these are largely identical...A striking feature of cannabis smoking is that it is associated with bullous lung disease in young people.6 Inflammatory lung changes, chronic cough, and chest infections are similar to those in cigarette smokers, but may also be commoner in younger people.7-9 Premalignant changes have been shown in the pulmonary epithelium, and there are reports of lung, tongue, and other cancers in cannabis smokers... For example, one could calculate that if cigarettes cause an annual excess of 120 000 deaths among 13 million smokers, the corresponding figure for deaths among 3.2 million cannabis smokers would be 30 000, assuming equality of effect. Even if the number of deaths attributable to cannabis turned out to be a fraction of that figure, smoking cannabis would still be a major public health hazard. However, when the likely mental health burden is added to the potential for morbidity and premature death from cardiopulmonary disease, these signals cannot be ignored.
pretty stiff statements from the British Lung Foundation et al, don't you think? cannabis smokers get the same illnesses, plus extra illnesses at a younger age then tobacco smokers. note the unusual number of high-lethality and chronic disabling diseases in that list
Several publications have recently suggested a relationship between cannabis use and certain types of cancer. We gathered information on the latest findings on the subject. A manual and computerized bibliographic search on cannabis and cancer was conducted. In users under 40 years of age, cannabis is suspected to increase the risk of squamous-cell carcinoma of the upper aerodigestive tract, particularly of the tongue and larynx, and possibly of lung. Other tumours being suspected are non-lymphoblastic acute leukaemia and astrocytoma. In head and neck cancer, carcinogenicity was observed for regular (i.e. more than once a day for years) cannabis smokers. Moreover, cannabis increases the risk of head and neck cancer in a dose-response manner for frequency and duration of use. Interaction was observed with cigarette smoking and alcohol use. Delta9-THC seems to have a specific carcinogenic effect different from that of the pyrolysis products.
Voila! Here are the CANNABIS DEATH LINKS you required. Ofcourse chances are you wont read it of just say it is all propaganda. If I say pear you say banana. Fun game. But here are they.
Here are your CANNABIS DEATH LINKS, written by highly esteemed scientist based on studies. Please cut and paste links of zero deaths and weed falling of forklifts written by propagandist fuckheads who make medical claims without backing in hard science.
I say that if you are an adult and willing to risk a slow, agonizing death by smoking marijuana you should be free to do so. Life is full of risks and Cannabis is one of them. PLease end the kindergarten game of the kid who has just discovered he can deny every thing anyone could possibly say.
You wanted DEATH LINKS? Here they are, tip of the iceberg theres scores of these throughout the scientific and medical community. Not so funny anymore ei? But if you smoke another joint nothing will seem like a big deal: that was one of the effects weed had on me.
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Stiff claims in a quite emotional post! If you click this link you will see that all these claims are linked up properly to their scientific sources.
If you click this link you can read the entire thread where I explain how cannabis gave me numerous cases of Angina Pectoris, the highly dangerous first stages of what later was to become my heart attack on December 27, 2002. You will also read somebody relating his story about how he and his friends have smoked pot for 20 years and all got completely busted lungs because of it, I quote: "That first joint killed me, plain and simple".
So pot is at least every bit as bad for your health as tobacco, if not more so. Smoking, ANY smoking, kills.
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Edited by spudamore (08/05/06 11:46 PM)
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5936171 - 08/06/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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A foreign chemical in the body eh? So like, you know, food? Glucose is certainly foreign. The air we breathe is a stew of chemicals that are foreign. Are those toxic? You should probably correctly define words if you want to be taken seriously. My eyes are wide open buddy. Open and bloodshot.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Gastronomicus]
#5936173 - 08/06/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh and, that article you posted, I'd take it seriously if it didn't contain phrases like "propaganda fuckheads"
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Gastronomicus]
#5936218 - 08/06/06 04:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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so you wouldn't take wiccan seeker seriously???? i think he has had more experience with drugs than anybody on these forums not only experience but great knowledge aswell.
glucose is foreign but our body has adapted over the ages but that doesn't mean its good for our body or our mind.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5936220 - 08/06/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: spudamore]
#5936413 - 08/06/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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potency has no bearing on lethality when it comes to THC. furthermore considering the death toll of simple things like caffeeine this is a fucking non-argument.
if we accept the dangers of caffeeine there is no reason in the fucking universe to even discuss this bullshit!
Weed is one of the most non threatning things on the plant. looking for ways in wich it might kill you is like discussing a bunny's capability of killing you.
this is like debating wether or not its little teeth can get you an infection or something...
wake up!
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Vertigo6911]
#5936567 - 08/06/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, but if there were a lot of bunnies, and you were wearing some carrot cologne. You better watch out.
[Fat man puts down his cheeseburger] "We must ban these scourges of the earth, bunnies and carrot scented cologne! [Picks back up cheeseburger, and continues to gorge]
I don't see how anyone could argue that bud is bad for you, without also pointing out how much worse alcohol is. Alcohol has a much more dramatic effect on the body, both real time and over the long run. So why is that prohibitionist gave up on alcohol and now exclusively argue MJ?
I'm not saying that anyone here was condoning or arguing for alcohol, I just see it as WAY worse. And all the arguments i ever hear about MJ would be better used against alcohol.
Alcohol = real toxin
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5943481 - 08/08/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Roger Rabit, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you guys have better access to hash and hash oil back then?
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: mr_minds_eye]
#5943796 - 08/08/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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who cares, it doesent matter. when u choose eating instead of smoking the limit to how much THC u can get into your system is determined by how much u can swallow, not how much ull survive.
the only way weed can harm you in any way worth mentioning is if somebody drops a ton of it on your head...
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Vertigo6911]
#5943806 - 08/08/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I pray for that everyday
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5944067 - 08/08/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pot is to me, less dangerous than eating a cheeseburger. You shouldn't eat a cheeseburger everyday, and you shouldnt smoke pot everyday.
If you eat like shit (fast food 1 meal a day) you are doing more damage.
Anyone who saw 'Supersize Me' can see the (exagerated) effects. If i spend a month in Amsterdam, i might have a decreased lung fuction, but i won't be having liver failure (Supersize Me).
Marijuana is NOT linked to cancer, and is semi-impossible to overdose. The only reason it is ever linked to anything bad is because of Illegal Trasactions Read: Untaxed; Read: Drug Dealing; Read: $$$$.
Eliminate those three, and the DEA lobbing for there jobs, and no more drug war.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
#5944232 - 08/08/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guys, you're forgetting the basic reason that MJ prohibitionists are jerks: they assume to legislate personal morality and attempt to control what other FREE individuals put in their body, toxic or otherwise.
Don't get boggled down in the details, it doesn't matter how toxic MJ is (even though is isn't at all), I am free to ingest what I will. I OWN MY BODY!
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: MXNR]
#5944603 - 08/08/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Toxins aren't even illegal. Cyanide, which is infinately more dangerous then cannabis if ingested, is legal. Now not everyone will ingest cyanide, but it's still possible. Aspirin is also considerably more dangerous then cannabis, yet it is still legal. Why? Because you can't grow asperin in you home therefore the government can make money off of it.
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Gastronomicus]
#5944643 - 08/08/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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its just buisness guys. weed is illegal for reasons that have nothing to do whatsoever with health issues.
http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/jackherer.htm
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Re: Bill Bennet ... this guy is an idiot o_O [Re: Gastronomicus]
#5946791 - 08/09/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Toxins aren't even illegal. Cyanide, which is infinately more dangerous then cannabis if ingested, is legal. Now not everyone will ingest cyanide, but it's still possible. Aspirin is also considerably more dangerous then cannabis, yet it is still legal. Why? Because you can't grow asperin in you home therefore the government can make money off of it.
I think its white willow bark that contains a compound similar to aspirin. I think that it has more to do with power. Any of you ever been through the whole probation deal? a whole lot of $$$ is tied up there both for the government and the private sector. In addition, what is the most common reason for circumventing the 4th amendment?(Improper search and seizure) I don't watch C.O.P.'s (I don't like seeing them in real life and have no desire to watch a show about them. I understand that some people feel compelled to watch it to learn their operating procedures but the rest just laugh cuz its not them) anyways, this guy got pulled over and they found a very small amount of coke on him. They took a swab of his ashtray and tested it for traces of THC. It came up positive so they seized his truck because it was implicated in the commission of a crime. When you get pulled over what other excuse would they have to go through your shit. They get to have a whole new law enforcement division to enforce these ridiculous laws. As well that's just one more thing to get Joe Blow and Mary Sue to vote for so-and-so for. "Well damn it, I want him in office because he's tough on those god damn drugs." In addition you have assholes like this guy who believe with total conviction that God wants them to tell other people how to live their lives.
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