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Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos
#5930261 - 08/04/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know this is the Pub so many probably believe in Karma and that there is some order to the world. But in my own experiences I've found this to be completely untrue. Although it's a nice to believe that we do have a purpose in life, the truth is that the universe is really nothing more than spontaneous and random chemical interactions. The fact there is a certain amount of probability to all randomness makes order seem possible, but probability is still based more on chaos than it is on order.
This came to my attention as I was watching Waking Life. I'm on a lot of drugs right now and very drunk so excuse any horribly flawed statements in this post. My thoughts seem to make perfect sense to me at least. 
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5930288 - 08/04/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Karma in the metaphysical sense is of course an utter falsehood, but common sense will tell you that if you violate other people and treat them poorly you will face retribution from those people or their friends and family or the law, though I suppose this doesn't matter to you considering the nihilistic tone of your post.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5930351 - 08/04/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not a big believer in the whole karma thing anyways.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: it stars saddam]
#5930370 - 08/04/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just have many friends that believe "what goes around comes around." Even most religions seem to base many of their preachings off of karma. Catholicisom itself teaches that all sins will punished for in the afterlife if you you don't redeem yourself. Personally I think this is fucking bullshit. I mean seriously...who is going to punish for sins I comitted when I was alive while I'm buried 6 feet under the cold dirty ground.
It's not like I'm saying people should be allowed to do whatever they want with out punishment, but the way people administer punishment for wrongness and sin is just a scare tatic and just another way for the pope to buy and new and fancier hat.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5930422 - 08/04/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Karma may be true. My inclination is to beleive it is. I beleive in a higher order to things - I beleive in right and wrong.
Look at it this way. If you have a shortcoming, you will meet it sooner or later. The circumstances of life almost guarantee it. So, if you do not do the right thing, you may become aware of that shortcoming. You realize what you need to do.
Say, for example, that you have no problem killing an ant or a fly for no good reason. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes, there is a reason to kill (like eating animals in order to survive). However, killing a harmless ant or fly is not justified.
So, when someone stomps on you and you get sad or mad about it, you get your just desert. It has to do with respect. You do not show respect to the ant or the fly, so why should anyone or anything else show respect to you? So you get sad or mad.. and you continue that cycle of ignorance.
If you took the time to realize that you need to respect everything, including the ant, the fly, and yourself, then you would overcome no matter what. If someone disrespected you, you would realize that they are the ignorant one and simply accept what happened and respond the best way possible. There would be no clouded judgement, because the concept of respect would be dead set in your thoughts and actions.
So in that respect, karma works if for no other reason than your ability to use logic requires that you adhere to your own moral compass. You cannot lie to yourself without the realization that you are stopping dead in your tracks.
I beleive that the universe as a whole works in a certain way that requires you to do the right thing. Morals are real concepts that are necessary to understand and experience. Things have a way of working out based on your actions (I consider everything that you do to be an action, from breathing to thinking). If you do wrong without caring, you're bound to get served (in the wise words of Sublime). You will get served in any case, but the point is - how do you react. If you have the courage to keep on going in the right direction no matter what, things will work out. One way or the other.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5950215 - 08/10/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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karma has been so misunderstood by western culture. karma simply states that there is a balance, a harmony, a pattern to the universe. if you know anything about choas theroy, wich i know you do pants, you will know that there is a hgigher pattern to existence. the chaos hides in repition and repition hides in chaos. karma is not helping a kitty out of a tree and then finding a $20 bill on the ground. every action you make every sound, every thought. has infinate rippling effects across the universe. what you put out will eventualy make its way back. maybe not today, or this year, or in your life time. but what you do does matter. never right yourself off as a victom of cosmic fault.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: notapillow]
#5950371 - 08/10/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought that was the butterfly effect?
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5950438 - 08/10/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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There cannot be chaos without harmony. The two are codependent on one another. That's karma. I could give you examples, but it's painfully obvious to me already
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5950511 - 08/10/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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karma is as silly as all human-invented superstition. In REALITY, 'Karma' is only a favor for a favor. If you help somebody out and they remember and help you out back, that is the only way 'karma' can work. If something happens to you that is good and it comes by chance...it was a random occurance and had nothing to do with any past actions you did.
Me: Why didn't 'karma' bite Hitler in the ass??
Karma Advocate: It did, he was surrounded by his enemies and was forced to commit suicide rather than be captured.
Me: Well, didn't he get away with killing millions of people over many years of power before 'karma' got him?
Hippy: Oh yeah, I must have forgotten about logic and reason...there is no karma.
There is no way around this, sorry hippies
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5950548 - 08/10/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think there is sort of a "social karma" at play here. As Itstarssaddam pointed out, if you go around being an asshole, people will treat you like one.
Edited by Le_Canard (08/10/06 01:23 PM)
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by CHEESE!!!!!! [Re: Le_Canard]
#5950564 - 08/10/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: TODAY]
#5950569 - 08/10/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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TODAY said:
Me: Why didn't 'karma' bite Hitler in the ass??
Karma Advocate: It did, he was surrounded by his enemies and was forced to commit suicide rather than be captured.
Me: Well, didn't he get away with killing millions of people over many years of power before 'karma' got him?
karma bit the jews in the ass for killing christ and so continues the circle
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: Le_Canard]
#5950579 - 08/10/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup, because they can see you being an asshole or they can read your demeanor. This means they can make logical decisions as to how they correspond with you. If we are talking about random chance that has nothing to do with a rational observer making a conscious decision about how to treat you.
Believers in karma believe that chance is not really chance, it is some sort of due that manifests itself as a self-guided effect of a sum of causes (no matter how distant in past or witnessed by others) or something like that...that is their error.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: TODAY]
#5950893 - 08/10/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chaos is limited to ones perception, but in an expanded consciousness one will notice many synchronicities in life proving some form of order.
Hurricanes, a spiraling mass fixed in revolution around a center of energy. The earth revolves around the sun. Galaxies, the same exact thing...
As for the karma remark, I dare one person here to claim individuals who commit heinous and uncompassionate acts upon others do not at some point get their retribution in one form or another. Seems like common sense right? I bet you just said DUH, but the point of it being written in texts is for those who lose grasp and disbelieve the law that you will always pay for conscious crimes of the self.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: notapillow]
#5950933 - 08/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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notapillow said: karma has been so misunderstood by western culture.
And by all other cultures...
I beleve there is a balance. Its called the laws of physics. Other than that, its all non-sense people like to believe to be true.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5950938 - 08/10/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whether karma is real or not, why not just be nice and peaceable to everyone anyways and expect nothing in return?
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5950940 - 08/10/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wow, we can still say 'fuck' in the pub?
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: eligal]
#5950941 - 08/10/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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well regarding karma, in buddhist teachings it's said that life and truth and all that....the basis of it all is suffering. so if you assume that you die and go to heaven or whatever you wanna call it, for eternity, that's karma on a grander scale, undeniable. undeniable if you believe in some sort of after-life, be it reincarnation or something else.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: demiu5]
#5950944 - 08/10/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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karma is governed by me I look in to my ball and see all the good and bad that people do then i reward the good and punish the bad this is the only way it can work
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: onetime]
#5950954 - 08/10/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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onetime said: karma is governed by me I look in to my ball and see all the good and bad that people do then i reward the good and punish the bad this is the only way it can work
Do you look into your left or your right ball?
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: eligal]
#5950985 - 08/10/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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His third one.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: TODAY]
#5952777 - 08/11/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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TODAY said: Yup, because they can see you being an asshole or they can read your demeanor. This means they can make logical decisions as to how they correspond with you. If we are talking about random chance that has nothing to do with a rational observer making a conscious decision about how to treat you.
Believers in karma believe that chance is not really chance, it is some sort of due that manifests itself as a self-guided effect of a sum of causes (no matter how distant in past or witnessed by others) or something like that...that is their error.
choas is the order the absence of order is an order upon itself all it takes is a casual glance in any of the major earth sciences: ecology, biology, geology, .ect to see that clearly,while at the whim of cosmic chaos, we are are being govrned by fundamental predictable laws. karma is not a individualistic phenomina. its karma is suposed to be a way of describing the intangible connection between all things. also your hitler thing kinda was weak karma does not act upon those who act wrong emidiatly. hitlers karma is not only felt by him for diesng. its felt all over the world. that one mans thoughts manifested into a world war. and has effected our planet on a long term scale. karma is not for you, or me or hitler. karma is us sorry ill stop the hippy rant now  it just pisses me off seeing my freind acting a foo and wallowing in a black hole of self pitty
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: pantsboy]
#5952834 - 08/11/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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pantsboy said: I just have many friends that believe "what goes around comes around." Even most religions seem to base many of their preachings off of karma. Catholicisom itself teaches that all sins will punished for in the afterlife if you you don't redeem yourself. Personally I think this is fucking bullshit. I mean seriously...who is going to punish for sins I comitted when I was alive while I'm buried 6 feet under the cold dirty ground.
It's not like I'm saying people should be allowed to do whatever they want with out punishment, but the way people administer punishment for wrongness and sin is just a scare tatic and just another way for the pope to buy and new and fancier hat.
oh god man you got alot to learn spirituality is not about punishment. and karma is not about you being punished either. you are warped man. you look at the world and say why me. why do i feel this way. why am i not happy. one thing you are right on tho is, yes you will one day die. and you will lay in the ground. and everything that was you will be torn apart and used to gro new things. so do you want your very very very short time here to be spent a spiraling in a pit of alchy shit fuck or do you wanna take your fucking life and use it for somthign you truly love
get a grip man. dont fucking waste your time worrieng about all this shit. vus thats just it. your gonna die. your pretty much almost dead. 10 years 50 years a blink of an eye. why does it matter? it dont so fucking use it while you have it. please 
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: eligal]
#5952850 - 08/11/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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eligal said:
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notapillow said: karma has been so misunderstood by western culture.
And by all other cultures...
I beleve there is a balance. Its called the laws of physics. Other than that, its all non-sense people like to believe to be true.
ah true. but keep in mind that there are places in this universe where even those laws have no bearing.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: I2ancid]
#5955811 - 08/12/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thats why I have a unsually large amount of guns and ammo(legally obtained of course) in my house
The world sucks, life sucks, the people in it (99percent of them suck)
And their is a lot of people who will take advantage of anyone, any chance they get
The days(years) of be happy, free love, is GONE
thats why screen name is stackedMAK90 for those that don't know a MAK90 is a chinesse variation of a AK47 and stacked is the 30hollow tip rounds I have stacked in the clip
Maybe its a little overboard but better safe than kickin yourself in the ass later....
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: StackedMAK90]
#5956014 - 08/12/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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sorry bro but bragging about your piece really has no place in a discussion about karma and or waking life. "a well armed populous is the greatest defense against tyranny"
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: notapillow]
#5956084 - 08/12/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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we'd be better off if no guns existed IMO
Think of a man that tries to come up with a more efficient way to kill people on Death Row
Then consider the man who thinks why dont we have a system/society that prevents those people from needing to be punished
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: ShroomFan]
#5956143 - 08/12/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i was talking to a guy from war torn darfur this year and he was talking to our class about courage and what not. he told me somthing that will always stick with me. "where i come from you have to be tuff because thats how you have to survive, and its no big thing to say you have a gun because it dont take no man to use a gun." personaly i think wepons technology should have stopped at the stick. if you cant defend yourself with a stick then you aint got shit.
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: ShroomFan]
#5956410 - 08/12/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Fuck Karma! The World is Governed by Chaos [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5956773 - 08/12/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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i got a sword and a stick. thats all i need to defend me and my woman
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