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I hate my country, and its economy
    #5929217 - 08/03/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

that is all.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929220 - 08/03/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

why?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: rod]
    #5929262 - 08/03/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This country is so money driven, any company on any given day would gladly destroy an acre of rain forest for an extra 100 dollars a week.

They'd gladly have me die if it meant that their CEO would be able to get a new private jet at the end of the year.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929269 - 08/03/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I used to use the old slogan "I love my country, but fear my government." But then I realized I don't much care for the dumbass rednecks that comprise most of this country either. I guess the two things I like about this country are its natural beauty(which is slowly but surely fading) and the spirit in which our system of government was founded(but certainly not the monster that it's become).


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929283 - 08/03/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

But where would you rather live? Or is it time to
overthrow the fuckers. I thought about some where besides
here but I dont know, where I would have as good of a life. :confused:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: rod]
    #5929291 - 08/03/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I await the revolution.

It will never happen, this country has bred and taught itself into retardation. Its built to allow the stupid and lazy to succeed.

I think I may make a permanent move to the south Pacific, Africa, or northern Europe sometime in my near future.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929312 - 08/03/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think Ireland would be nice, its close to some fun places,
its beautiful, and full of good beer. :thumbup:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: rod]
    #5929414 - 08/03/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hows is Life in or around AMSTERDAM?
I', with you fuck this country. It has been ruined by our government.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5929446 - 08/03/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
I used to use the old slogan "I love my country, but fear my government." But then I realized I don't much care for the dumbass rednecks that comprise most of this country either. I guess the two things I like about this country are its natural beauty(which is slowly but surely fading) and the spirit in which our system of government was founded(but certainly not the monster that it's become).




Agreed. Im a very outdoor and nature intuned person, everytime i go out and see all this development and this destroying of the natural habitats. Soon or later everything is going to turn into concrete,walmarts,cookie cutter neighborhoods, and golf fields.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929538 - 08/03/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What country?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: rod]
    #5929542 - 08/03/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Uhhh.... I thought most European countries have extremely strict immigration laws when compared to USA's so wouldn't it be extremely hard to live in those countries or at least become their citizen.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: downforpot]
    #5929666 - 08/03/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dont really want to move, I have just, thought about it.
Probably so, plus I would have no ideal, how to get a good job, other than the good old USA.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5929676 - 08/03/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I love my country. That is why I am willing to dish out money for a college education to be able to get into the system and attempt to change it.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5929729 - 08/03/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I do love this country, no matter how infuriated I get with how dicked up this supposed "representative democracy" we live in deteriorates.
I look at the executive, legislative, and judicial branches and wonder if they even represent America........




But I still have faith that each day an American is born with new thoughts.....new ideas......to keep things moving forward for the motherland


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5930144 - 08/04/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck yea man. America rules. I mean there are some fucked up things going on around here but WE ARE ALL LUCKY TO BE HERE. I fucking love this place.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5930179 - 08/04/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I hate my country




That's ok son: I hate your country too :heart:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5930381 - 08/04/06 01:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I used to use the old slogan "I love my country, but fear my government." But then I realized I don't much care for the dumbass rednecks that comprise most of this country either. I guess the two things I like about this country are its natural beauty(which is slowly but surely fading) and the spirit in which our system of government was founded(but certainly not the monster that it's become).




Great post!

I am from Canada, but I see the problems our friends to the south are encountering. You have alienated yourselves from a large part of the world, I have memories of a clueless G.W. pulling on the Chinese presidents suit. Your irrational position in the middle east. I could go on.

Those rednecks you speak of are the back-bone of your country IMO. Its the mindless yuppies and politicians that are destroying your way of life.

I agree, America was founded on a great concept of ideals almost all around(current slavery legislation(1776) was deplorable, though they did abolish it, while it still goes on today.) There were other problems with your original plan of course, but they were fairly small. So America was a pretty good country in my books, you have just been hi-jacked by the elite. Which the same could be said for most, if not all western countries.

We live in interesting times, the world is due for an unprecedented change.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #5933180 - 08/04/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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That is why I am willing to dish out money for a college education to be able to get into the system and attempt to change it.




Have fun trying to pursue that... goal, reversing the stupidity of the American public that is.
I personally would rather dish out my money for college, make my money, then leave.

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Those rednecks you speak of are the back-bone of your country IMO. Its the mindless yuppies and politicians that are destroying your way of life.




Exactly true. These rednecks do not want change, have close-minded views, and quite frankly... are about as smart as my computer.


Some other countries ? Well currently I don't have a definite answer on that, but there are many other countries that I hope to eventually visit and possibly re-locate to. NZ ? Mexico ?!

Someone else mentioned this as well, the fact that you can't just go move to another country, why the hell would some other thriving country want a typical stupid fuck American coming to their country ?
Many Americans have the misconseption that you can just pick up and move to any country they want.
You actually have to apply for residency in other countries, similar concept as to getting a green card in the states. If you don't have anything to offer, don't get your hopes up.

This is why an education is important, a country will most likely welcome a well-educated human being that can provide a contribution to society.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
    #5933196 - 08/04/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Have fun trying to pursue that... goal, reversing the stupidity of the American public that is.
I personally would rather dish out my money for college, make my money, then leave.




That's the attitude.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5933392 - 08/05/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Quote:


Have fun trying to pursue that... goal, reversing the stupidity of the American public that is.
I personally would rather dish out my money for college, make my money, then leave.




That's the attitude.




Unfortuantely... yes, but more like:
That's the reality.


More power to you if you want to help change this country, it desperately needs it, but I am just stating the fact of reality.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5933853 - 08/05/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

why do you love your country...why do you hate it?

let's get past this way of thinking.

and to those that think America is the best place on earth to live, you're so wrong.

Australia (while it has many faults) is way better, and there's way better places than Australia. get out a little bit.

i understand the original poster's thinking, but just stating this doesn't really do much (unless you were just venting)..

why not educate yourself (if you already haven't) on WHY the economy is so big; WHY and HOW America came into power; and HOW are they connected to everything else. What influences do they have on countries, say for instance in Africa.

look at the global system as well. look at the IMF and World Bank, and check out its roots. WHO started them, and what kind of people were they? What have they done since that has economically impacted the world at large?

There's more to things than just America, and there's more countries fucking shit up than America. I would venture out to say that business and religion has just as much influence on politics as governments.

if you're interested, I can let you know of some journals (peer reviewed) and other authors/writers who are very balanced and informative.

if you educate yourself thoroughly, then you can go about changing it. And as you do educate yourself, you WILL see that you CAN change it. don't let people tell you otherwise, the defeatist attitude is what those in power want most (IE a powerless attitude).


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5933983 - 08/05/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
that is all.




i demand this man hung for treason!


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hey we all do,only because of free information mind you :wink:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5934550 - 08/05/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
This country is so money driven, any company on any given day would gladly destroy an acre of rain forest for an extra 100 dollars a week.

They'd gladly have me die if it meant that their CEO would be able to get a new private jet at the end of the year.




Your mistake is highlighted in bold. :rolleyes:

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TheMadConductor said:
I await the revolution.

It will never happen, this country has bred and taught itself into retardation. Its built to allow the stupid and lazy to succeed.





Waiting for the revolution is lazy...according to your logic you should have succeeded by now.  Seriously, LOL at the stupid and lazy being the ones that succeed  :boot:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
    #5934864 - 08/05/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Where will you live that gives you more freedom than America? Hate American finance? Well, move on over to Socialist Europe. If you bitch about 30% taxes now, prepare to pop a vessel over there.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: kaiowas]
    #5934869 - 08/05/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
Australia (while it has many faults) is way better, and there's way better places than Australia.  get out a little bit. 




I've travelled a lot.  Not many countries where you can buy a huge chunk of land, pay (relatively) low tax on it, live there with your guns, growing dope and playing with four wheelers all day.  I can only think of one country like that :wink:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5934947 - 08/05/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I can think of alot more countries than one like that


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5934962 - 08/05/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
This country is so money driven, any company on any given day would gladly destroy an acre of rain forest for an extra 100 dollars a week.

They'd gladly have me die if it meant that their CEO would be able to get a new private jet at the end of the year.




There's no rain forests in the USA.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #5935069 - 08/05/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Oh? Name some of them.

Aussie land, no firearms.

Most of Europe, insane taxes, no firearms

Canada, no guarantees of basic freedoms, insane taxes, no firearms, canadians

I'm not seeing anywhre else here?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5935093 - 08/05/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You are overlooking the Middle East! :grin:

More sand dunes for you, more, bigger guns, and tanks instead of four wheelers. :lol:

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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5935289 - 08/05/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, and shouting "Die you Camel Fucker" and popping some 55 grains into some Arabs in MOST jobs would result in termination and charges of a hate crime. In Afghaniraq, I get paid to do it. Allright!


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5937643 - 08/06/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh? Name some of them.

Aussie land, no firearms.

Most of Europe, insane taxes, no firearms

Canada, no guarantees of basic freedoms, insane taxes, no firearms, canadians

I'm not seeing anywhre else here?




There are plenty of other countries out there, that isnt even a fraction... And if youre adventurous enough, you can live quite a few places, we Amercians have been brainwashed to thinkg this country is the best place ever to live, and I think personally that is false.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: p_dot_cubensis]
    #5937661 - 08/06/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

So why don't you name some of them?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5937680 - 08/06/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh? Name some of them.

Aussie land, no firearms.

Most of Europe, insane taxes, no firearms

Canada, no guarantees of basic freedoms, insane taxes, no firearms, canadians

I'm not seeing anywhre else here?



As I understand it, Canadians don't pay that much more in taxes than Americans do. They just spend more on social services and less on military. Oh, and plenty of Canadians own firearms.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5937708 - 08/06/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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As I understand it, Canadians don't pay that much more in taxes than Americans do.




Wrong.
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They just spend more on social services and less on military.




Thats their own fault. Theft is theft.
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Oh, and plenty of Canadians own firearms.



Yea, and if one of them uses a pistol for home defense, they get charged with a crime. Sounds like a lovely nation. I say we take over Canada, much more oil than in the mid-East and a much easier battle.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5937971 - 08/06/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Can you provide the Canadian and US tax rates so you can show us that they pay more than us?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5938058 - 08/06/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938098 - 08/06/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, then don't bring up something if you don't feel like proving it.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5938146 - 08/06/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong. However, if they have the same taxes, but a pathetic military and all sorts of bullshit social programs, then it's what I would consider theft, and charity at the barrel of a gun.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938159 - 08/06/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

As opposed to paying my taxes to support a huge military that I don't believe should be spanning the globe? That sounds like theft as well.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5938203 - 08/06/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

While you may disagree with how MUCH is spent, noone would question that national security is a worthwhile expendature.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938328 - 08/06/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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While you may disagree with how MUCH is spent, noone would question that national security is a worthwhile expendature.



Then shouldn't they be willing to fund it voluntarily, rather than at the point of a gun?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5938343 - 08/06/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Of course they should. However, it's rather difficult to have a fund-raiser for the military. A tele-thon might not work. Also, the military does have to have secrets, so they couldn't well have a mail-in donation drive or a bake sale for their new top-secret weaponry.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938363 - 08/06/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Of course they should. However, it's rather difficult to have a fund-raiser for the military. A tele-thon might not work. Also, the military does have to have secrets, so they couldn't well have a mail-in donation drive or a bake sale for their new top-secret weaponry.



If it's as necessary as you say, then it should be at least as easy as it is for charities to do the same.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5938390 - 08/06/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Come again?


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938406 - 08/06/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All the donations to the 700 club or any CBN should go to military funds......


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938420 - 08/06/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Come again?



What's so hard to understand? If military is so necessary, then you shouldn't have a problem convincing people to give money to it voluntarily.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5938439 - 08/06/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Come again?



What's so hard to understand? If military is so necessary, then you shouldn't have a problem convincing people to give money to it voluntarily.




years ago most wars were privately financed in some way or another.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5938452 - 08/06/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It always has to be about money doesnt it.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: BallsDeep]
    #5938455 - 08/06/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, our military mainly serves big business anyway. Let them fork over the money directly rather than have us all pay for it.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5938480 - 08/06/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey, our military mainly serves big business anyway. Let them fork over the money directly rather than have us all pay for it.






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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Silversoul]
    #5938482 - 08/06/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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What's so hard to understand?  If military is so necessary, then you shouldn't have a problem convincing people to give money to it voluntarily.




And we don't.  You can give money voluntarily, or you can leave :smile:

People paying money for the military are doing so voluntarily.  Defense of soverignity, among other things, are critical for the existance of a country.  And, of course, you can't "opt out" of being protected by the military.  If one dirtbag America-hater doesn't want to pay for military protection, we can't very well single him, or them, out and let our enemies know that they aren't protected.


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5938489 - 08/06/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Kinda like how you vountarily fund the state of Israel? :wink:


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Re: I hate my country, and its economy [Re: Redstorm]
    #5938519 - 08/06/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Clearly that isn't allowed by the Constitution. Section I article ten and whatforth


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